Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:59 pm Post subject: Joel Embiid marveled at Wilt Chamberlain's athleticism during the ASG - I put together a vid of what he was on about
Some anecdotes and clips of the kind of footage Embiid is talking about. Wilt might be the most athletic human ever with that kind of size or at least right up there at the top with anyone else. I remember years ago before there was so much footage and all the anecdotes were just written in books and articles the vibe from fans was that the anecdotes were viewed with more skepticism because some of the commonly shared clips were fairly pedestrian (and grainy and slow motion). I think with the more modern database of footage you can sort of start to fill in the blanks where the testimony and the available footage are both starting to line up - heck even Embiid is sold after seeing some of the newer clips that have surfaced over the past few years. Anyways hope you guys enjoy
Great video. My starting 5 all time will now include Wilt at center.
Out of curiosity who was on it before?
Jabbar and Russell, Shaq and a few others aren't bad alternatives depending on what you're looking for. My personal 2nd pick would probably be Jabbar if I wanted lots of posting up on my team and the other 4 guys had some capable rebounders in there, and my 3rd would be Russell if the other 4 guys picked were ATG scorers that liked to run but needed a stand out rebounder / defensive anchor
Great video. My starting 5 all time will now include Wilt at center.
Out of curiosity who was on it before?
Jabbar and Russell, Shaq and a few others aren't bad alternatives depending on what you're looking for. My personal 2nd pick would probably be Jabbar if I wanted lots of posting up on my team and the other 4 guys had some capable rebounders in there, and my 3rd would be Russell if the other 4 guys picked were ATG scorers that liked to run but needed a stand out rebounder / defensive anchor
Probably between Cap and Shaq. Hakeem would be up there as well. Thinking about it now, Wilt would be the ideal center for today's run and gun up and down style. Especially if he really ran a 4.4 40.
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:10 am Post subject:
what the hell is a Capela role?
We are talking Wilt here, he does not fill other peoples rolls, he creates his own! _________________ Never argue with stupid people! They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!! - Twain
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:48 am Post subject:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Wino wrote:
what the hell is a Capela role?
We are talking Wilt here, he does not fill other peoples rolls, he creates his own!
ya when......nvm
Even in that modern role for a Center...I think he averages 20/15 and DPOY..and he can be a high post facilitator..
Yeah, Jordan would only average around 12 in todays game. Look Wilt would still shoot 65% and nobody could come close to stopping him. Nobody! This is a man who averaged over 50ppg for a whole season. That man would be MVP in this league right now. _________________ Never argue with stupid people! They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!! - Twain
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:08 am Post subject:
4.4sec/40yd dash at his size. Just incredible. I wonder how many strides it took him to run that distance.
About the only modern player who compares in terms of length and athleticism is Giannis but he'll never have Wilt's strength. That was God given.
I love the B&W footage from his Kansas days. You really get an idea how big he was compared to normal size people. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:15 am Post subject:
With the caveat that I'm well aware player-in-different era discussions always spiral, are impossible to prove and never get resolved, I'll add my two cents - If Wilt played today with the size, strength and athleticism he had in 1967, there's no way he wouldn't be the most dominant center in today's game. And he had the speed for quite a few years to play in today's game. Quarter mile in 49 seconds, there's an objective measure that doesn't change with time. I'm curious how many current NBA players ran track and field at some point and if there were even close? I doubt any big men would come anywhere near that mark. Same size as Shaq but much more athletic, basically. With a 7 foot 8 wingspan. Was that Tex Schram's voice in the video describing him starting just outside the free throw circle and dunking it from the free throw line?
7'8" wingspan! lol well ok. He looked ridiculous running the floor too. He actually might have been great today...kind of guarantee he would have. ok.
I don't usually give it up to the older older generation of players, but Wilt looks great. Imagine him in a Capela role. lol.
He'd be bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic than Embiid, Davis, Giannis, Cousins, etc. He could do all those circus passes that Jokic makes. He had flaws as a player, otherwise he would have won every year--but as an athlete, no, not really any flaws.
It's hard to project with a player from decades ago who didn't go through the same training and coaching as modern players. But he'd likely have a 3 point shot, and he'd likely be used as a play making center ala Cousins and Jokic. With the natural ability he had he would be a top 5 player in the league, and pretty easily replicate a Cousin's-esque 25+/12+/5+ while leading the league in blocks and being a perennial DPOY candidate. So nothing like Capela (other than he'd be an even deadlier finisher playing alongside a Harden or Paul).
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:52 am Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
Was Wilt more athletic than Shaq?
Yes, and he kept himself in shape much better than Snaq did.
Wilt is so underrated by everyone. He was just toying with people out there. And even if he was a black hole on offense for some years he always played lights out D.
He could jump like a guard and had what a 7'8" wingspan? To me it is Jordan who? Wilt is the GOAT. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:15 am Post subject:
Dr. Funkbot wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Was Wilt more athletic than Shaq?
Yes, and he kept himself in shape much better than Snaq did.
45.8mpg average for his career. Even at the end of his career when he was 36, he still averaged over 43mpg. Jimmy Butler is currently leading the NBA in mpg at 37mpg. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant
Wilt was the most amazing physical specimen ever seen in sports. In today's game he would be unarguable by the undersized centers. The problem he would pose in the post would be incredible and his speed and athleticism would allow him to play defense out in the perimeter when they wanted to go out and shoot 3s. He would easily average 30/15. Imagine Shaq's strength with Lebron's athleticism and speed, that's Wilt.
So much exaggeration and hyperbole when it comes to Wilt. I don't trust any of the athletic feat #s associate with Wilt unless it was an official time at a sanctioned event. No anecdotes.
I'd still take Shaq over Wilt for most dominant player through eras.
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:06 pm Post subject:
The Juggernaut wrote:
So much exaggeration and hyperbole when it comes to Wilt. I don't trust any of the athletic feat #s associate with Wilt unless it was an official time at a sanctioned event. No anecdotes.
I'd still take Shaq over Wilt for most dominant player through eras.
50 PPG and over 25 RPG averages for a whole season in the officially sanctioned NBA enough for you? Did Snaq ever average over 14 rpg? Did he ever average over 30 PPG? Wilt would destroy him. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss
7'8" wingspan! lol well ok. He looked ridiculous running the floor too. He actually might have been great today...kind of guarantee he would have. ok.
I don't usually give it up to the older older generation of players, but Wilt looks great. Imagine him in a Capela role. lol.
He'd be bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic than Embiid, Davis, Giannis, Cousins, etc. He could do all those circus passes that Jokic makes. He had flaws as a player, otherwise he would have won every year--but as an athlete, no, not really any flaws.
It's hard to project with a player from decades ago who didn't go through the same training and coaching as modern players. But he'd likely have a 3 point shot, and he'd likely be used as a play making center ala Cousins and Jokic. With the natural ability he had he would be a top 5 player in the league, and pretty easily replicate a Cousin's-esque 25+/12+/5+ while leading the league in blocks and being a perennial DPOY candidate. So nothing like Capela (other than he'd be an even deadlier finisher playing alongside a Harden or Paul).
I love how he'd automatically be a 3 point shooter in this scenario lol _________________ If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft. - Magic Johnson Mar 27, 2011
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So much exaggeration and hyperbole when it comes to Wilt. I don't trust any of the athletic feat #s associate with Wilt unless it was an official time at a sanctioned event. No anecdotes.
I'd still take Shaq over Wilt for most dominant player through eras.
50 PPG and over 25 RPG averages for a whole season in the officially sanctioned NBA enough for you? Did Snaq ever average over 14 rpg? Did he ever average over 30 PPG? Wilt would destroy him.
So much exaggeration and hyperbole when it comes to Wilt. I don't trust any of the athletic feat #s associate with Wilt unless it was an official time at a sanctioned event. No anecdotes.
I'd still take Shaq over Wilt for most dominant player through eras.
50 PPG and over 25 RPG averages for a whole season in the officially sanctioned NBA enough for you? Did Snaq ever average over 14 rpg? Did he ever average over 30 PPG? Wilt would destroy him.
Shaq would put up 70 and 50 in that era
Shaq would be unguardable in any era
But the reasons Wilt put up those numbers is in large part the amount of minutes he was able to be on the floor. Something Phil even challenged Shaq to do, Shaq had many qualities that were very much similar to Wilt and even you could say had one leg up on mass which was just crazy but a key to the averages of Wilt was stamina and stamina was not one of the things Wilt and Shaq had in common
Also, the way Shaq played would look different in the 60's, bump and backdown was not a strategy in that era due to strict offensive charge calls so Shaq would have probably evolved a bit differently in order to get around players better if he played with that eras set of rules. I'm sure he'd have adjusted and done just fine and dominated. But would he just usurp, let alone duplicate what Wilt did? I'm not entirely sold on that.
So much exaggeration and hyperbole when it comes to Wilt. I don't trust any of the athletic feat #s associate with Wilt unless it was an official time at a sanctioned event. No anecdotes.
I'd still take Shaq over Wilt for most dominant player through eras.
50 PPG and over 25 RPG averages for a whole season in the officially sanctioned NBA enough for you? Did Snaq ever average over 14 rpg? Did he ever average over 30 PPG? Wilt would destroy him.
Shaq would put up 70 and 50 in that era
I don’t think Shaq could make a play like that. Wilt was so physically gifted.
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