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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez > Embiid
West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)
I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though. |
I think you have the sign with Lopez backwards. |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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venturalakersfan wrote: | adkindo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | RoyalPurple8 wrote: | If we get LBJ/PG I feel like Reddick could be lock. Why not? He is getting old. He made good money in Philly this year. He gets to come back to LA. I hope... |
He wants to live in Brooklyn/NYC. |
right....that is the reason he went to Philly....he wants to be close to home...Brooklyn. |
Quick train ride. But people say that George wants to go home but then put him in LA. |
JJ made a conscious family decision to move to Brooklyn and raise his kids there. If that doesn't say "Done With LA" I don't know what does. |
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AirTupac Star Player
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If we had Russell on our roster this season, we would be calling for his head and demanding a trade or something. Dude is a headcase + injury prone + not improved in 3rd year. He is what he is. |
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BynumForThree Star Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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PHILosophize wrote: | Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid
West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)
I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though. |
AD?
Did Philly trade Simmons for Anthony Davis? _________________ If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft. - Magic Johnson Mar 27, 2011
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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BynumForThree wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid
West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)
I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though. |
AD?
Did Philly trade Simmons for Anthony Davis? |
yes they did _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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PHILosophize wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez > Embiid
West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)
I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though. |
I think you have the sign with Lopez backwards. |
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No one can beat an Embiid/AD/LBJ front court... even if you had Curry and a prime era Michael Jordan. That's some historical sh*t right there. |
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BynumForThree Star Player
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A Who Cares/Who Cares/Lebron/Davis/Embiid roster would be the greatest team of all time. RIP Warriors. _________________ If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft. - Magic Johnson Mar 27, 2011
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Zubolo Starting Rotation
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Laker Hefe wrote: | Zubolo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Zubolo wrote: | On a separate note, if we are unable to keep Randle, what do you all think of using the room exception for Ed Davis (Portland). He's an exceptional and underrated rebounder and can finish well around the basket.
I think he complements a potential starting lineup that includes 4 really good playmakers (Lebron, Lonzo, Ingram and PG13). Would love to keep Randle but in case the money does not work out for Randle, what are your thoughts on Ed Davis? |
He's about 33% of what Jules gives you today. Backup C, not a PF really. |
So why not just start Julius at C then and forget Lopez. Use the room exception to address a more glaring need (backup PG).
There are a multitude of aging big body centers that will be available for the Vet min. |
I think you are discounting the fact that Brook can pull a big out of the paint and has allowed Randle to operate inside with less bodies around. |
My point is, if we get Lebron and wish to keep Randle, then I don't see the point in having Brook, let alone using the room exception on him rather than address the need for a backup PG like Seth Curry.
Keeping a Center-PF combination of Lopez,Randle,Lebron,Kuzma and Zubac is overkill. At that point, one could even argue that Randle becomes redundant, hence the need to move on from Lopez. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Zubolo wrote: | Laker Hefe wrote: | Zubolo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Zubolo wrote: | On a separate note, if we are unable to keep Randle, what do you all think of using the room exception for Ed Davis (Portland). He's an exceptional and underrated rebounder and can finish well around the basket.
I think he complements a potential starting lineup that includes 4 really good playmakers (Lebron, Lonzo, Ingram and PG13). Would love to keep Randle but in case the money does not work out for Randle, what are your thoughts on Ed Davis? |
He's about 33% of what Jules gives you today. Backup C, not a PF really. |
So why not just start Julius at C then and forget Lopez. Use the room exception to address a more glaring need (backup PG).
There are a multitude of aging big body centers that will be available for the Vet min. |
I think you are discounting the fact that Brook can pull a big out of the paint and has allowed Randle to operate inside with less bodies around. |
My point is, if we get Lebron and wish to keep Randle, then I don't see the point in having Brook, let alone using the room exception on him rather than address the need for a backup PG like Seth Curry.
Keeping a Center-PF combination of Lopez,Randle,Lebron,Kuzma and Zubac is overkill. At that point, one could even argue that Randle becomes redundant, hence the need to move on from Lopez. |
Not really. That assumes Zub is ready to take it to playoff level basketball, which he hasn't shown.
And LBJ would play basically all 5 positions regardless. Lopez at 4m/year, and playing 20mpg takes away the wear/tear of Jules having to guard the Steven Adams and Embiids of the NBA for 35-37mpg. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Zubolo Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Zubolo wrote: | Laker Hefe wrote: | Zubolo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Zubolo wrote: | On a separate note, if we are unable to keep Randle, what do you all think of using the room exception for Ed Davis (Portland). He's an exceptional and underrated rebounder and can finish well around the basket.
I think he complements a potential starting lineup that includes 4 really good playmakers (Lebron, Lonzo, Ingram and PG13). Would love to keep Randle but in case the money does not work out for Randle, what are your thoughts on Ed Davis? |
He's about 33% of what Jules gives you today. Backup C, not a PF really. |
So why not just start Julius at C then and forget Lopez. Use the room exception to address a more glaring need (backup PG).
There are a multitude of aging big body centers that will be available for the Vet min. |
I think you are discounting the fact that Brook can pull a big out of the paint and has allowed Randle to operate inside with less bodies around. |
My point is, if we get Lebron and wish to keep Randle, then I don't see the point in having Brook, let alone using the room exception on him rather than address the need for a backup PG like Seth Curry.
Keeping a Center-PF combination of Lopez,Randle,Lebron,Kuzma and Zubac is overkill. At that point, one could even argue that Randle becomes redundant, hence the need to move on from Lopez. |
Not really. That assumes Zub is ready to take it to playoff level basketball, which he hasn't shown.
And LBJ would play basically all 5 positions regardless. Lopez at 4m/year, and playing 20mpg takes away the wear/tear of Jules having to guard the Steven Adams and Embiids of the NBA for 35-37mpg. |
The Thunder with Steven Adams and no PG13 is not much of a threat. Though Lopez has more experience than Zub, I am not sure Lopez has proven to be that much more effective than Zub. Moreover, Lopez is horrendous when it comes to rebounding. I have more confidence in Zub in year 3.
If we are willing to start Lopez and bring Randle and Kuzma off the bench, we might as well give up on Zub, who is still only 20. |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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AirTupac wrote: | adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | Nah even if somehow we land 0 star Fa's. Just getting rid of Ennis and the rest of the bozos and rounding up the team would be good enough |
100% disagree....losing Russell, Nance, and Clarkson for nothing (besides Hart) that really helps this team long term will be a huge fail. |
Getting rid of Russell was a god send for our culture, he really isn't special and Mozgov was a huge net negative on everything for us. Clarkson? Not even worth mentioning, we got a first for him and IT is a better version of him. Nance hurts but now we have Randle beasting and Kuz getting more minutes next season instead of having a logjam. Nance is the only that hurts. |
I disagree with your opinions....and most of it is exactly that, opinions that are in complete contrast of the evidence/metrics. |
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AirTupac Star Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | Nah even if somehow we land 0 star Fa's. Just getting rid of Ennis and the rest of the bozos and rounding up the team would be good enough |
100% disagree....losing Russell, Nance, and Clarkson for nothing (besides Hart) that really helps this team long term will be a huge fail. |
Getting rid of Russell was a god send for our culture, he really isn't special and Mozgov was a huge net negative on everything for us. Clarkson? Not even worth mentioning, we got a first for him and IT is a better version of him. Nance hurts but now we have Randle beasting and Kuz getting more minutes next season instead of having a logjam. Nance is the only that hurts. |
I disagree with your opinions....and most of it is exactly that, opinions that are in complete contrast of the evidence/metrics. |
I mean what your saying is gibberish then too because you aren't saying anything other than opinions as well. That team was going no where. Two different coaching staffs had issues with Russell. Mozgov and Russell leaving was huge. That's not an opinion, thats a fact. I'm sorry you disagree with facts.
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Zubolo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Zubolo wrote: | Laker Hefe wrote: | Zubolo wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Zubolo wrote: | On a separate note, if we are unable to keep Randle, what do you all think of using the room exception for Ed Davis (Portland). He's an exceptional and underrated rebounder and can finish well around the basket.
I think he complements a potential starting lineup that includes 4 really good playmakers (Lebron, Lonzo, Ingram and PG13). Would love to keep Randle but in case the money does not work out for Randle, what are your thoughts on Ed Davis? |
He's about 33% of what Jules gives you today. Backup C, not a PF really. |
So why not just start Julius at C then and forget Lopez. Use the room exception to address a more glaring need (backup PG).
There are a multitude of aging big body centers that will be available for the Vet min. |
I think you are discounting the fact that Brook can pull a big out of the paint and has allowed Randle to operate inside with less bodies around. |
My point is, if we get Lebron and wish to keep Randle, then I don't see the point in having Brook, let alone using the room exception on him rather than address the need for a backup PG like Seth Curry.
Keeping a Center-PF combination of Lopez,Randle,Lebron,Kuzma and Zubac is overkill. At that point, one could even argue that Randle becomes redundant, hence the need to move on from Lopez. |
Not really. That assumes Zub is ready to take it to playoff level basketball, which he hasn't shown.
And LBJ would play basically all 5 positions regardless. Lopez at 4m/year, and playing 20mpg takes away the wear/tear of Jules having to guard the Steven Adams and Embiids of the NBA for 35-37mpg. |
The Thunder with Steven Adams and no PG13 is not much of a threat. Though Lopez has more experience than Zub, I am not sure Lopez has proven to be that much more effective than Zub. Moreover, Lopez is horrendous when it comes to rebounding. I have more confidence in Zub in year 3.
If we are willing to start Lopez and bring Randle and Kuzma off the bench, we might as well give up on Zub, who is still only 20. |
No, you're missing the point. Zub is 20, and isn't ready to compete on a championship level core. I'd keep him around though. I'm not specifically pointing out Adams as the only example. Most teams start a true 7 footer that will get Jules in foul trouble if he is playing 100% of majority of his minutes at C.
The Warriors employ the same concept where Bogut/Zaza started and took the other team's starting center's punches for 20-22mpg. Then Dray finishes at center. Same would be for Jules. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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AirTupac wrote: | adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | Nah even if somehow we land 0 star Fa's. Just getting rid of Ennis and the rest of the bozos and rounding up the team would be good enough |
100% disagree....losing Russell, Nance, and Clarkson for nothing (besides Hart) that really helps this team long term will be a huge fail. |
Getting rid of Russell was a god send for our culture, he really isn't special and Mozgov was a huge net negative on everything for us. Clarkson? Not even worth mentioning, we got a first for him and IT is a better version of him. Nance hurts but now we have Randle beasting and Kuz getting more minutes next season instead of having a logjam. Nance is the only that hurts. |
I disagree with your opinions....and most of it is exactly that, opinions that are in complete contrast of the evidence/metrics. |
I mean what your saying is gibberish then too because you aren't saying anything other than opinions as well. That team was going no where. Two different coaching staffs had issues with Russell. Mozgov and Russell leaving was huge. That's not an opinion, thats a fact. I'm sorry you disagree with facts. |
right....sorry I engaged, did not realize it would turn into these same lame talking points. |
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AirTupac Star Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | Nah even if somehow we land 0 star Fa's. Just getting rid of Ennis and the rest of the bozos and rounding up the team would be good enough |
100% disagree....losing Russell, Nance, and Clarkson for nothing (besides Hart) that really helps this team long term will be a huge fail. |
Getting rid of Russell was a god send for our culture, he really isn't special and Mozgov was a huge net negative on everything for us. Clarkson? Not even worth mentioning, we got a first for him and IT is a better version of him. Nance hurts but now we have Randle beasting and Kuz getting more minutes next season instead of having a logjam. Nance is the only that hurts. |
I disagree with your opinions....and most of it is exactly that, opinions that are in complete contrast of the evidence/metrics. |
I mean what your saying is gibberish then too because you aren't saying anything other than opinions as well. That team was going no where. Two different coaching staffs had issues with Russell. Mozgov and Russell leaving was huge. That's not an opinion, thats a fact. I'm sorry you disagree with facts. |
right....sorry I engaged, did not realize it would turn into these same lame talking points. |
Yawn. |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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AirTupac wrote: | adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | adkindo wrote: | AirTupac wrote: | Nah even if somehow we land 0 star Fa's. Just getting rid of Ennis and the rest of the bozos and rounding up the team would be good enough |
100% disagree....losing Russell, Nance, and Clarkson for nothing (besides Hart) that really helps this team long term will be a huge fail. |
Getting rid of Russell was a god send for our culture, he really isn't special and Mozgov was a huge net negative on everything for us. Clarkson? Not even worth mentioning, we got a first for him and IT is a better version of him. Nance hurts but now we have Randle beasting and Kuz getting more minutes next season instead of having a logjam. Nance is the only that hurts. |
I disagree with your opinions....and most of it is exactly that, opinions that are in complete contrast of the evidence/metrics. |
I mean what your saying is gibberish then too because you aren't saying anything other than opinions as well. That team was going no where. Two different coaching staffs had issues with Russell. Mozgov and Russell leaving was huge. That's not an opinion, thats a fact. I'm sorry you disagree with facts. |
right....sorry I engaged, did not realize it would turn into these same lame talking points. |
Yawn. |
really? I could have continued...could have pointed out that you obviously struggle with the basic definition of an objective and subjective statement....I could have pulled stats and comps to illustrate how silly your statements were....like I said....not familiar with you....did not know you would try to turn it into the DLo thing.....now I do. |
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AirTupac Star Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Where are they? All I hear is talk about what you could pull out then you argue about semantics. Great work detective. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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PHILosophize wrote: | Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid
West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)
I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though. |
i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price. |
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AirTupac Star Player
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People like you act like if the Lakers don't get these big FA's this season that those moves were a waste. I'm arguing they weren't. We weren't going anywhere with those players. Magic agrees with me. |
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid
West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)
I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though. |
i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price. |
well the comparison is how Lebron fits/looks with the rest of the respective rosters _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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I think we sold Russell at the right time. And we were compensated with the 27th pick which turned into Kyle Kuzma. Russell will be a good starter probably on a bad team. He will never reach all star status in my opinion. All things being equal I would rather have Kuzma anyways. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.
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Why are we out here beefing about DLO again? Let's move on? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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CalisFinest Star Player
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32 wrote: | I think we sold Russell at the right time. And we were compensated with the 27th pick which turned into Kyle Kuzma. Russell will be a good starter probably on a bad team. He will never reach all star status in my opinion. |
It would be more accurate if you said we were compensated with Hart and Bryant. I think LA gets Kuzma either way without the trade. But Hart/Bryant wouldn't have been possible. |
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Adkindo brought up Dlo first. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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PHILosophize wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | Lonzo > Fultz
PG > Saric
Lebron = Lebron
Randle < AD
Lopez < Embiid
West < East (i.e. East is the easier conference to be in)
I think that the gap between AD/Randle and Embiid/Lopez is bigger than the gap between Saric/PG and Lonzo/Fultz, thus making Philly the better option from a basketball standpoint. I also think that Philly could potentially create cap to have PG as well - I'm not sure exactly how, though. |
i don't think this is a good comparison. if not Lebron, we have another max if we sign Randle at the right price. |
well the comparison is how Lebron fits/looks with the rest of the respective rosters |
well if thats the case, where did Ingram and Kuzma go?
Also i doubt the Pelicans are letting go AD for Ben Simmons and who??? |
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