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| ToastedMuffins wrote: | | Telleris wrote: | | ToastedMuffins wrote: | | George W Buss wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Quote: | According to Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer, the Lakers are one of four teams on James’ free agency list:
There have been whispers, mostly on social media, about whether LeBron James would consider the Spurs because of the mutual respect between James and Popovich, now the coach of the U.S. men’s national basketball team. But I’ve consistently heard from multiple league sources that LeBron currently has only four teams on his list: the Cavaliers, Lakers, Rockets, and 76ers. |
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I can understand Cavs (current team, hometown), Rockets (championship, but they already have their franchise player in Harden), Lakers (Hollywood and stardom), but not Philly. Philly cannot offer the same media exposure as the Lakers nor championship opportunity like the Rockets.
I think the top-2 choices are Cavs and Lakers. |
You need to consider that Houston really isn't an option. Houston would need to shed every salary on their team minus Harden and let every free agent walk in free agency minus Paul, and they would STILL need Paul and/or James to take sizable paycuts in order to fit under the salary cap. This is a team with only those 3 players on the roster and it still doesn't fit. Unless Paul and James are both willing to take $15 million discounts, Houston isn't an option for James.
Now taking the Rockets out and looking at just Cleveland, Philadelphia, and Los Angeles, Philadelphia is definitely the best option for James if his goal is a championship.
-Eastern conference away from Golden State and Houston.
-A young, bona fide All-Star in Embiid locked in long-term.
-An extremely promising rookie in Ben Simmons.
-A handful of cost-controlled, productive players in Saric, Korkmaz, Luwawu-Caborrot, Anderson, and Fultz.
-An absurd amount of draft picks to leverage to bring in another all-star.
-The 4th biggest media market in the country.
Philadelphia checks a lot of boxes. |
if he went to Houston, it'd be an extend and trade like Chris Paul did. The question is whether Cleveland would force him to sign as a free agent, just as the Clippers didn't force it; it's not really a thing anymore, teams are being a bit more strategic, but then it is dan gilbert. |
Cleveland is trapped in the repeater tax. If they're going to lose LeBron James then won't have any interest in taking back the salary Houston would need to send. Gilbert would much rather he just walk to the Lakers or 76ers. |
No, Gilbert wouldn’t rather that he walks to the Lakers. Add Gordon and Anderson to the Cavs and they are a 2ng/3rd round playoff team in the East.
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Gordon and Anderson? No way Gilbert takes both when they have love and Tristan. And no that’s not a 3rdround playoff team.
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Cavs LOST 20-30m going to the Finals. Doubt they will stay in the repeater tax and not win.
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A couple of millions per home playoff game goes a long way
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Gordon and Anderson? No way Gilbert takes both when they have love and Tristan. And no that’s not a 3rdround playoff team. |
The question is what other team takes Gordon and Anderson, not the Cavs. Morey found a taker for Anderson last year. I'm sure he could again with one year removed from his contract. It's all about being able to move him. Gordon should be fairly easy to move, and get something in return. He's only 29 and his contract is 14M. |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Gordon and Anderson? No way Gilbert takes both when they have love and Tristan. And no that’s not a 3rdround playoff team. |
The question is what other team takes Gordon and Anderson, not the Cavs. Morey found a taker for Anderson last year. I'm sure he could again with one year removed from his contract. It's all about being able to move him. Gordon should be fairly easy to move, and get something in return. He's only 29 and his contract is 14M. |
If LeBron goes to Houston and Rockets dump contracts, the Lakers will gladly take guys like Capela and Gordon off your hands... |
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| ToastedMuffins wrote: | | Telleris wrote: | | ToastedMuffins wrote: | | George W Buss wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Quote: | According to Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer, the Lakers are one of four teams on James’ free agency list:
There have been whispers, mostly on social media, about whether LeBron James would consider the Spurs because of the mutual respect between James and Popovich, now the coach of the U.S. men’s national basketball team. But I’ve consistently heard from multiple league sources that LeBron currently has only four teams on his list: the Cavaliers, Lakers, Rockets, and 76ers. |
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I can understand Cavs (current team, hometown), Rockets (championship, but they already have their franchise player in Harden), Lakers (Hollywood and stardom), but not Philly. Philly cannot offer the same media exposure as the Lakers nor championship opportunity like the Rockets.
I think the top-2 choices are Cavs and Lakers. |
You need to consider that Houston really isn't an option. Houston would need to shed every salary on their team minus Harden and let every free agent walk in free agency minus Paul, and they would STILL need Paul and/or James to take sizable paycuts in order to fit under the salary cap. This is a team with only those 3 players on the roster and it still doesn't fit. Unless Paul and James are both willing to take $15 million discounts, Houston isn't an option for James.
Now taking the Rockets out and looking at just Cleveland, Philadelphia, and Los Angeles, Philadelphia is definitely the best option for James if his goal is a championship.
-Eastern conference away from Golden State and Houston.
-A young, bona fide All-Star in Embiid locked in long-term.
-An extremely promising rookie in Ben Simmons.
-A handful of cost-controlled, productive players in Saric, Korkmaz, Luwawu-Caborrot, Anderson, and Fultz.
-An absurd amount of draft picks to leverage to bring in another all-star.
-The 4th biggest media market in the country.
Philadelphia checks a lot of boxes. |
if he went to Houston, it'd be an extend and trade like Chris Paul did. The question is whether Cleveland would force him to sign as a free agent, just as the Clippers didn't force it; it's not really a thing anymore, teams are being a bit more strategic, but then it is dan gilbert. |
Cleveland is trapped in the repeater tax. If they're going to lose LeBron James then won't have any interest in taking back the salary Houston would need to send. Gilbert would much rather he just walk to the Lakers or 76ers. |
That salary can be sent to a 3rd team, similar to how Anderson wasn't going to NY in the Melo deals from last summer. The only hard part about getting LeBron to Houston if he chose Houston (cuz that's really the hard part) is getting someone to take Anderson, but if Morey was able to do it last summer I have faith he can do it again with an extra year removed from his contract and the ability to include 1st round picks in a deal (he couldn't last summer because we don't own our pick in this years draft). Gordon should be easy to trade to a multitude of teams, likely for an asset in return. Those two and some other filler = LeBron salary. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Gordon and Anderson? No way Gilbert takes both when they have love and Tristan. And no that’s not a 3rdround playoff team. |
The question is what other team takes Gordon and Anderson, not the Cavs. Morey found a taker for Anderson last year. I'm sure he could again with one year removed from his contract. It's all about being able to move him. Gordon should be fairly easy to move, and get something in return. He's only 29 and his contract is 14M. |
If LeBron goes to Houston and Rockets dump contracts, the Lakers will gladly take guys like Capela and Gordon off your hands... |
I'm sure y'all, and many other teams would. Anderson will take picks to dump. Everyone else on the roster is easily moveable.
Capela is a RFA though, and I'm not sure he will get a max offer this summer. It will be interesting to see what kind of contract offers he gets, similar to Randle. The Rockets would probably only trade him if he got a big enough offer to throw them past the hard-cap if they did trade for LeBron. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | A couple of millions per home playoff game goes a long way |
They lost 40 mil when they won and lost money last year during their 3rd straight finals. I highly doubt 2 home playoff games is worth the price of the luxury tax bill they would get. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | A couple of millions per home playoff game goes a long way |
They went to the FINALS and lost a ton of money. So if they’re not getting to the Finals they stand to lose even more money if they remain a repeater tax team.
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Gordon and Anderson? No way Gilbert takes both when they have love and Tristan. And no that’s not a 3rdround playoff team. |
The question is what other team takes Gordon and Anderson, not the Cavs. Morey found a taker for Anderson last year. I'm sure he could again with one year removed from his contract. It's all about being able to move him. Gordon should be fairly easy to move, and get something in return. He's only 29 and his contract is 14M. |
If no George then I would take Gordon. He would fit in well here.
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| Lakeshow1843 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | A couple of millions per home playoff game goes a long way |
They lost 40 mil when they won and lost money last year during their 3rd straight finals. I highly doubt 2 home playoff games is worth the price of the luxury tax bill they would get. |
The tax write off might.
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Gordon and Anderson? No way Gilbert takes both when they have love and Tristan. And no that’s not a 3rdround playoff team. |
The question is what other team takes Gordon and Anderson, not the Cavs. Morey found a taker for Anderson last year. I'm sure he could again with one year removed from his contract. It's all about being able to move him. Gordon should be fairly easy to move, and get something in return. He's only 29 and his contract is 14M. |
If LeBron goes to Houston and Rockets dump contracts, the Lakers will gladly take guys like Capela and Gordon off your hands... |
I'm sure y'all, and many other teams would. Anderson will take picks to dump. Everyone else on the roster is easily moveable.
Capela is a RFA though, and I'm not sure he will get a max offer this summer. It will be interesting to see what kind of contract offers he gets, similar to Randle. The Rockets would probably only trade him if he got a big enough offer to throw them past the hard-cap if they did trade for LeBron. |
I don't doubt that they could clear all that salary off the books. They will have two big obstacles, in my mind. One is that they will be sacrificing most of their depth (it would be LeBron, Harden, CP3, Capela, and a MLE player, plus minimum contracts), and two, they would need LeBron and CP3 to split just $55MM between them (approximately). As a condition of CP3 opting in last summer, I believe that the Rockets promised him that he would get a big-money deal this summer, so I am not sure how that could work, if just $55MM is available to LeBron and CP3 for '18-19.
Maybe there's an angle to this that I'm missing, and if LeBron did want Houston, I would never rule Morey out. But there are certainly some logistical hurdles, hurdles beyond just dumping Anderson and Gordon and Tucker and Nene. |
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Heisler: Giddy Lakers fans dream of LeBron James, but reality is a long way off
| Quote: | Not that leaving Cleveland means he will come to the Lakers. With only LeBron aware of what he wants, there are more possibilities than we can forsee … and some that we can, such as going to Houston to play alongside close friend Chris Paul if they take a few million bucks less.
The Lakers’ two slots give them leverage that no one else will have, so at least they’re in the game. Reality will intrude soon enough, so enjoy the dream. |
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| Vin wrote: | | Yeah if you can get the best player in the game you do it. But I'd be kind of sick to my stomach to see the lakers go all in on Lebron. Cause I don't see Lebron coming here to play with some rookies/sophomores. |
If the best player in the game you are referring to is Kevin Durant then yes. All lebron wants to do is come over here, pad his stats and steal our huge fan base because his legacy is tarnished and he knows it. |
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| 32 wrote: | Heisler: Giddy Lakers fans dream of LeBron James, but reality is a long way off
| Quote: | Not that leaving Cleveland means he will come to the Lakers. With only LeBron aware of what he wants, there are more possibilities than we can forsee … and some that we can, such as going to Houston to play alongside close friend Chris Paul if they take a few million bucks less.
The Lakers’ two slots give them leverage that no one else will have, so at least they’re in the game. Reality will intrude soon enough, so enjoy the dream. |
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| 32 wrote: | Heisler: Giddy Lakers fans dream of LeBron James, but reality is a long way off
| Quote: | Not that leaving Cleveland means he will come to the Lakers. With only LeBron aware of what he wants, there are more possibilities than we can forsee … and some that we can, such as going to Houston to play alongside close friend Chris Paul if they take a few million bucks less.
The Lakers’ two slots give them leverage that no one else will have, so at least they’re in the game. Reality will intrude soon enough, so enjoy the dream. |
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| KobeDunk wrote: | | not gonna happen folks... Lebron leaving Cleveland again would be a complete joke! He will trade Love for Carmelo and bring in Wade at a discount. He'll have 2 banana brothers to go up against GS with next year. |
This comment is funny today knowing what we know about Wade and Melo.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | A couple of millions per home playoff game goes a long way |
They went to the FINALS and lost a ton of money. So if they’re not getting to the Finals they stand to lose even more money if they remain a repeater tax team. |
Do you guys honestly believe these franchises are losing money? They make it look like it to the IRS but there is no way these clubs are losing money. They are too smart for that. There is a reason people come from everywhere to buy them up when available. That’s why they spend a ton on tax attorneys. |
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| Laker Hefe wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | A couple of millions per home playoff game goes a long way |
They went to the FINALS and lost a ton of money. So if they’re not getting to the Finals they stand to lose even more money if they remain a repeater tax team. |
Do you guys honestly believe these franchises are losing money? They make it look like it to the IRS but there is no way these clubs are losing money. They are too smart for that. There is a reason people come from everywhere to buy them up when available. That’s why they spend a ton on tax attorneys. |
Those are separate inquiries. As a franchise yes they lost tons of money.
IF you want to talk about Gilbert’s personal tax situation? Who knows.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | A couple of millions per home playoff game goes a long way |
They went to the FINALS and lost a ton of money. So if they’re not getting to the Finals they stand to lose even more money if they remain a repeater tax team. |
In VLF’s world of math, revenue from a couple of home playoff games magically offsets massive repeater tax bills, but the magic only works in OKC and Cleveland. |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Gordon and Anderson? No way Gilbert takes both when they have love and Tristan. And no that’s not a 3rdround playoff team. |
Morey found a taker for Anderson last year. |
We kept hearing over and over last summer that what was holding up Melo to Houston was that no one was willing to take on Ryno’s deal.
If Morey found a home for Ryno, why isn’t Melo in Houston ? |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | A couple of millions per home playoff game goes a long way |
They went to the FINALS and lost a ton of money. So if they’re not getting to the Finals they stand to lose even more money if they remain a repeater tax team. |
In VLF’s world of math, revenue from a couple of home playoff games magically offsets massive repeater tax bills, but the magic only works in OKC and Cleveland. |
Correction: It works for every organization except the Lakers. |
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For LBJ and Finals losing that much makes sense. For a cavs team headlined by love/jc Ryan Anderson and Gordon not so much.
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Why would LeBron even acknowledge if there even was a list? |
To give the illusion that he’s not scared of the playoff competition in the West. |
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