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| Luminous8 wrote: | | It's amazing the amount of posters who preach patience for players but have none for our HC. Who else do you want? Unless Carlilse, Poppovich, or Kerr become available, you ride or die with Luke. |
The difference is that with the players we see the improvement in the areas in which they were bad. Walton on the other hand has been bad at timeouts and lineup management since his stint with the warriors. I see zero improvement after 4 years. He's good in some other areas of coaching, and shown improvement in those, but not in what he's really bad at.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Luke was over rated as a player and now over rated as a coach. |
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MickMgl
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | It's amazing the amount of posters who preach patience for players but have none for our HC. Who else do you want? Unless Carlilse, Poppovich, or Kerr become available, you ride or die with Luke. |
Stevens could x and o circles round luke |
You could probably say the same thing about Larry Brown vs Phil Jackson. You can have Brown. |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | It's amazing the amount of posters who preach patience for players but have none for our HC. Who else do you want? Unless Carlilse, Poppovich, or Kerr become available, you ride or die with Luke. |
Stevens could x and o circles round luke |
Can you provide examples of this? I keep wondering what makes Stevens such a respected head coach and yet his winning coincided with the talent he acquired. Go figure. |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | It's amazing the amount of posters who preach patience for players but have none for our HC. Who else do you want? Unless Carlilse, Poppovich, or Kerr become available, you ride or die with Luke. |
Stevens could x and o circles round luke |
That is not fair since Stevens is the best x and o coach in the league. Look at his system. Players coming into his system ALWAYS play better under him, and when they leave, they are NEVER the same. |
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| RI Laker wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | It's amazing the amount of posters who preach patience for players but have none for our HC. Who else do you want? Unless Carlilse, Poppovich, or Kerr become available, you ride or die with Luke. |
Stevens could x and o circles round luke |
That is not fair since Stevens is the best x and o coach in the league. Look at his system. Players coming into his system ALWAYS play better under him, and when they leave, they are NEVER the same. |
And players that come here tend to play worse overall. Hell, players that come here are already worse free throw shooters by default for some godforsaken reason.
Brad Stevens or Mike Dantoni especially would kill it with this roster.
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| Megaton wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | It's amazing the amount of posters who preach patience for players but have none for our HC. Who else do you want? Unless Carlilse, Poppovich, or Kerr become available, you ride or die with Luke. |
Stevens could x and o circles round luke |
That is not fair since Stevens is the best x and o coach in the league. Look at his system. Players coming into his system ALWAYS play better under him, and when they leave, they are NEVER the same. |
And players that come here tend to play worse overall. Hell, players that come here are already worse free throw shooters by default for some godforsaken reason.
Brad Stevens or Mike Dantoni especially would kill it with this roster. |
I wouldn't agree with that: Lou Williams shot his highest 3fg% and had one of his best years with Luke. KCP is having his best year and Dlo/Lopez's FG% hasn't changed. IT played better with us than the Cavs, Nance's stats are now down a little, Really the only player to get better away from Luke was JC.
Kuz and Hart have been killing it, Randle has never played this good and we have won more games than most of us expected. Luke's run and gun(Number 1 pace) system is making the players on this team look better than they are.
Luke is having a great year |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | RI Laker wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: | | It's amazing the amount of posters who preach patience for players but have none for our HC. Who else do you want? Unless Carlilse, Poppovich, or Kerr become available, you ride or die with Luke. |
Stevens could x and o circles round luke |
That is not fair since Stevens is the best x and o coach in the league. Look at his system. Players coming into his system ALWAYS play better under him, and when they leave, they are NEVER the same. |
And players that come here tend to play worse overall. Hell, players that come here are already worse free throw shooters by default for some godforsaken reason.
Brad Stevens or Mike Dantoni especially would kill it with this roster. |
I wouldn't agree with that: Lou Williams shot his highest 3fg% and had one of his best years with Luke. KCP is having his best year and Dlo/Lopez's FG% hasn't changed. IT played better with us than the Cavs, Nance's stats are now down a little, Really the only player to get better away from Luke was JC.
Kuz and Hart have been killing it, Randle has never played this good and we have won more games than most of us expected. Luke's run and gun(Number 1 pace) system is making the players on this team look better than they are.
Luke is having a great year |
Lou Will played better in Houston and now all star level on the Clippers.
KCP is playing exactly the same in his years with the Pistons. Has a little bit better efficiency in some areas, and worse in others. Virtually no difference.
Lopez has played worse here. That is not a debate. His lack of scoring impact overall this season and worse rebounding numbers is a big indication of that. He was a 20+ scoring all star on the Nets, barely 13 in his time here.
IT is literally identical to his play here and on the Cavs. He goes from shooting like absolute dog (bleep) to just dog (bleep). While being more turnover prone here than on the Cavs. Yay I guess? He was garbage on the Cavs and still garbage here.
Nance is the reason the Cavs defense is suddenly not total crap anymore.
Kuz and Hart killing it have nothing to do with Luke making them better. They are that good on there own and would be like that or even better on other teams. Can you imagine if Kuzma was on a team that actually gives him the greenlight and first option every game? He would be leading all rookies in scoring.
Randle playing well yet Luke chooses not to start him to start the season for a player we decide to trade later on, and our record is negatively impacted by it. But despite this, Randle is still pretty much the same player despite being more efficient in the paint. He still doesn't have a right hand, he still doesn't have a jumper, and he still makes constant low IQ turnovers while being good for two offensive charges a game.
We had high pace with DLO and Byron Scott here too. The only difference with Luke's system is that he doesn't allow one player to dominate. Lonzo gets a near triple double in his 2nd game of his scoring and racking up assists numbers like no tomorrow, and then suddenly on the 4th game of the season, Luke decides to play Lonzo a lot more off ball and giving the ball away after passing half court.
With all this said, sure, there is a couple of things that I can say Luke has done well in. He has good relationships with some players absolutely. But as an actual coach? A tactician? Teaching players basic fundamentals like shooting (bleep) free throws? Absolutely not. And his rotations most of the season have been questionable at least, to brain dead at most. And he can't draw up plays to save his life.
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And yet another poorly executed out of bounds play.
Serious question. Do you guys think Luke knows he sucks at them? Or do you think that he thinks he is great at them? |
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last game lets bledsoe torch for 39 or whatever.
this game plays g league player curoso over j hart
pathetic coaching.
gave benefit out of doubt last game but this is just bad |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | last game lets bledsoe torch for 39 or whatever.
this game plays g league player curoso over j hart
pathetic coaching.
gave benefit out of doubt last game but this is just bad |
I think the team is just short handed at this point.
But I still don’t get how a coach can be bad at out of bounds plays for 2 years running. |
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| Stop playing your buddy Frye. Wear was playing well and might have a future. Frye is crispy done. |
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| (bleep) You Luke. Thats all I say. |
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| I don't complain about Luke (often) because there's a lot of bad coaches in the league and he's just one of them. Could be worse, we could be the Bucks, they actually have talent and have a bad coaching situation. |
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Like I said...
(bleep) Luke. |
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My biggest problem with Luke is why he is giving Frye minutes over Wear. Wear had chemistry, can hit the three and play defense. Frye has no chemistry with the team, is coming off injury, was playing bad in Cleveland. yet he gets priority? Why!?!?
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| MJST wrote: | | My biggest problem with Luke is why he is giving Frye minutes over Wear. Wear had chemistry, can hit the three and play defense. Frye has no chemistry with the team, is coming off injury, was playing bad in Cleveland. yet he gets priority? Why!?!? |
Why is half the coaching staff from Arizona or Luke's personal friends?
There's your answer. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | last game lets bledsoe torch for 39 or whatever.
this game plays g league player curoso over j hart
pathetic coaching.
gave benefit out of doubt last game but this is just bad |
I think the team is just short handed at this point.
But I still don’t get how a coach can be bad at out of bounds plays for 2 years running. |
so u lose at home to a tanking team? |
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| Thank you Luke for losing the team late in the season. Kuz and Randle beef just proves it. |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | Thank you Luke for losing the team late in the season. Kuz and Randle beef just proves it. |
What's the beef? Both sucked pretty bad today |
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This is what you guys wanted right? A coach who is all positive but learning on the job for long-term success  |
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| Jesus. He's not perfect, but ya'll act like he's blowing it with A-list talent. I'm sure the various injuries that have hit and disrupted any semblance of flow or chemistry from building late in the season, with the constant lineup shuffling and G-league talent forced into our rotation, has NOTHING to do with us losing games. Nor is it the few remaining guys having to play so many minutes recently, which may be causing some fatigue issues late in games. Nope, none of that (bleep). It's ALL Luke. *facepalm* |
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His inability to set up plays out of timeouts is becoming more apparent game after game. This should be our number one priority this offseason. Even if we had george and durant and wilt chamberlain, if we can't set up plays out of a timeout then we're never winning anything
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Jesus. He's not perfect, but ya'll act like he's blowing it with A-list talent. |
No they aren't. They feel like he's making small errors that are costing the team.
Stuff like playing Frye over Wear.
Neither is A-list talent. But one obviously deserves to play over the other, and it makes no sense for one to be playing at all given the circumstances.
Wear earned his chance.
Wear played good defense.
Wear was hitting threes.
Wear has chemistry with the team and we had a good thing going.
Frye sucked in Cleveland.
Frye is coming off sickness, injury.
Frye has no chemistry with the team whatsoever.
IT doesn't take a rocket scientist to gather who SHOULD be getting the minutes. Luke chose the opposite. He deserves criticism for it.
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| MJST wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Jesus. He's not perfect, but ya'll act like he's blowing it with A-list talent. |
No they aren't. They feel like he's making small errors that are costing the team.
Stuff like playing Frye over Wear.
Neither is A-list talent. But one obviously deserves to play over the other, and it makes no sense for one to be playing at all given the circumstances.
Wear earned his chance.
Wear played good defense.
Wear was hitting threes.
Wear has chemistry with the team and we had a good thing going.
Frye sucked in Cleveland.
Frye is coming off sickness, injury.
Frye has no chemistry with the team whatsoever.
IT doesn't take a rocket scientist to gather who SHOULD be getting the minutes. Luke chose the opposite. He deserves criticism for it. |
Most people around the league would say Frye>Wear is the obvious choice. With how well Wear has been playing he’s made it much less obvious but it certainly is not obvious he should be playing over Frye. Wear has been a D league player his whole career let’s not go crazy over a few good games. |
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