OFFICIAL NBA ROOKIE OF THE YEAR (2017-18)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:40 am    Post subject:

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if Josh Jackson is not careful, he is going to play himself onto the All Rookie 2nd Team....another big night....29 Points, 7 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 2 Steals and 2 Blocks (9 of 16 FG, 1 of 1 from 3, and 10 of 13 from the line).


He's been better over the last 2 months. Still not shooting the 3-ball well though, about 30% during that time. He's at about 70% from the FT line in that time, which is an improvement. I was never quite as high on him as you were (I recall you liked him more than Lonzo), but I definitely liked him as well, and still think he will be a good player. Put it this way, I feel like he can be, at worst, this year's version of Andrew Wiggins but with actual motor on defense. Obviously, we'll see if the shot can develop.


he is still my favorite player from that draft, and I still have confidence in his long term success. He has a long way to go....has to become more efficient in every area, but he has made massive gains in getting to the basket, passing, and on ball defense since December. It is clear the game has been slowing down for him...his turnovers have dropped drastically. Since January 1st, he has had 10 games (out of 25) scoring 20 or more points which is right behind Mitchell for rookies. If they hire a good coach this summer, and his minutes stabilize, I expect him to have a big year next season....but I would not expect a major improvement in his shot by next season.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:01 am    Post subject:

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Mitchell the ROY over Simmons?


he is gaining on Simmons....I think if their current trajectory remains through the end of the season, it will be a toss up. Right now, it feels like I still hear more voices that give Simmons the edge....but even they ("NBA Twitter") are recognizing that Mitchell is closing the gap fast.


19, 3 and 3 vs 16, 7 and 7, with the latter having better everything?

But there does seem to be a bias against non Americans.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:27 pm    Post subject:

Class of 2017, by RPM (out of 497 players)

1) Jordan Bell.................+2.77 (35th in NBA)
2) Jayson Tatum..............+1.33 (76th)
3) Lonzo Ball...................+1.07 (87th)
4) Donovan Mitchell.........+1.04 (88th)
5) John Collins.................-0.75 (222nd)
6) Josh Hart....................-0.86 (236th)
7) Sterling Brown.............-1.04 (253rd)
8) Cedi Osman.................-1.09 (255th)
9) Luke Kennard...............-1.57 (318th)
10) Lauri Markkanen.........-1.87 (350th)
11) Sindarius Thornwell.....-2.23 (385th)
12) Kyle Kuzma................-2.34 (395th)
13) Zach Collins................-2.50 (409th)
14) Frank Ntilikina.............-2.89 (434th)
15) Jarrett Allen................-2.95 (440th)
16) Frank Mason III...........-3.13 (451st)
17) Wesley Iwundu............-3.41 (463rd)
18) TJ Leaf.......................-3.48 (465th)
19) Tyler Dorsey................-3.56 (467th)
20) Justin Jackson.............-3.68 (471st)
21) Dennis Smith, Jr..........-4.05 (481st)
22) Dwayne Bacon............-4.10 (482nd)
23) Terrance Ferguson.......-4.25 (484th)
24) Josh Jackson...............-4.29 (485th)
25) De'Aaron Fox...............-4.41 (486th)
26) Semi Ojeleye...............-4.87 (491st)
27) Malik Monk..................-6.22 (497th)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
Class of 2017, by RPM (out of 497 players)

1) Jordan Bell.................+2.77 (35th in NBA)
2) Jayson Tatum..............+1.33 (76th)
3) Lonzo Ball...................+1.07 (87th)
4) Donovan Mitchell.........+1.04 (88th)
5) John Collins.................-0.75 (222nd)
6) Josh Hart....................-0.86 (236th)
7) Sterling Brown.............-1.04 (253rd)
8) Cedi Osman.................-1.09 (255th)
9) Luke Kennard...............-1.57 (318th)
10) Lauri Markkanen.........-1.87 (350th)
11) Sindarius Thornwell.....-2.23 (385th)
12) Kyle Kuzma................-2.34 (395th)
13) Zach Collins................-2.50 (409th)
14) Frank Ntilikina.............-2.89 (434th)
15) Jarrett Allen................-2.95 (440th)
16) Frank Mason III...........-3.13 (451st)
17) Wesley Iwundu............-3.41 (463rd)
18) TJ Leaf.......................-3.48 (465th)
19) Tyler Dorsey................-3.56 (467th)
20) Justin Jackson.............-3.68 (471st)
21) Dennis Smith, Jr..........-4.05 (481st)
22) Dwayne Bacon............-4.10 (482nd)
23) Terrance Ferguson.......-4.25 (484th)
24) Josh Jackson...............-4.29 (485th)
25) De'Aaron Fox...............-4.41 (486th)
26) Semi Ojeleye...............-4.87 (491st)
27) Malik Monk..................-6.22 (497th)


two lead guards with positive RPM in their rookie season...that's insane...Mitchell and Lonzo are special
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
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if Josh Jackson is not careful, he is going to play himself onto the All Rookie 2nd Team....another big night....29 Points, 7 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 2 Steals and 2 Blocks (9 of 16 FG, 1 of 1 from 3, and 10 of 13 from the line).


He's been better over the last 2 months. Still not shooting the 3-ball well though, about 30% during that time. He's at about 70% from the FT line in that time, which is an improvement. I was never quite as high on him as you were (I recall you liked him more than Lonzo), but I definitely liked him as well, and still think he will be a good player. Put it this way, I feel like he can be, at worst, this year's version of Andrew Wiggins but with actual motor on defense. Obviously, we'll see if the shot can develop.


he is still my favorite player from that draft, and I still have confidence in his long term success. He has a long way to go....has to become more efficient in every area, but he has made massive gains in getting to the basket, passing, and on ball defense since December. It is clear the game has been slowing down for him...his turnovers have dropped drastically. Since January 1st, he has had 10 games (out of 25) scoring 20 or more points which is right behind Mitchell for rookies. If they hire a good coach this summer, and his minutes stabilize, I expect him to have a big year next season....but I would not expect a major improvement in his shot by next season.


Poor guy. Suns are just a terrible organization. Crap owner.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:10 am    Post subject:

right now its simmons, mitchell, lonzo, tatum and there is one seat left for jackson, smith and kuzma
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:11 am    Post subject:

but is good to see that finally the choice we made for third year in no2 is deep in the race for roy five, cause something went wrong with russell generally and with brandon in his first year
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:11 pm    Post subject:

Josh Jackson dropped 36 Points, 6 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 1 Block and 2 Steals against the Warriors last night.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:27 pm    Post subject:

Josh Jackson continued his solid 2nd half of season with 23 Points, 6 Rebounds, 2 Assists and 2 Steals against Boston.

Also, Fultz made his long awaited return to the court for the 76'ers, and looked very good with 10 points, 4 Rebounds and 8 Assists in only 14 Minutes. He showed a lot of positive signs....easily using his great handle, shake, and change of pace to create his own shot or get to the rim as will. He even had a couple mid range shots in 4th Quarter that looked very pure. He got blocked a few times at the rim, but overall, looked much better than expected after being out for almost 4 months.

https://youtu.be/GS1RwWxMhIU?t=4m24s
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:53 pm    Post subject:

First Team is pretty much a lock right now

Simmons
Tatum
Mitchell
Markkanen
Kuzma

ROY is likely Simmons but Mitchell will make it interesting
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:25 pm    Post subject:

dabask11 wrote:
First Team is pretty much a lock right now

Simmons
Tatum
Mitchell
Markkanen
Kuzma

ROY is likely Simmons but Mitchell will make it interesting


I agree that will be the 1st team, and Simmons will win ROY.

who is 2nd team? assume it will be 5 of these guys...think Bogdan and Lonzo make it?

Dennis Smith Jr.
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Lonzo Ball
De'Aaron Fox
OG Anunoby
Josh Jackson
Dillon Brooks
John Collins
Bam Adebayo
Jordan Bell
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