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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:03 pm    Post subject:

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Let the players get paid. The end.


paid by who? tell me how that would work? The reason they do not have the option to get paid in the US is because the NBA players association will not allow it. The NCAA and college basketball does not stop anyone from going pro....yet I see NBA player after NBA player get in front of a camera and be a hypocrite by saying to pay the athletes....when it is their own "protectionism" rules that are preventing these players from being paid professionals. There is no real or easy way to incorporate payments into college athletics.


I agree. I’m not in favor of paying the players. But I am in favor of players being allowed to earn money through endorsements.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:27 pm    Post subject:

College football and basketball has these problems because the the NBA and NFL don't have a farm system for aspiring pros who are straight out of high school that don't want to go to college. So you end up with kids getting paid under the table. If Vince Mcmahon were smart he would open up the XFL 2.0 to kids that want to play football but don't want to go to college. Maybe they won't be starters but they can be bench players and transition to starters as they get more acclimated. Notice baseball and hockey doesn't have these problems because the players that want to play professionally end up signing with a club out of high school and playing in a development league while the ones that do want to go to college end up going there knowing the sacrifice they are making.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:55 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
The Lebrons wrote:
Let the players get paid. The end.


paid by who? tell me how that would work? The reason they do not have the option to get paid in the US is because the NBA players association will not allow it. The NCAA and college basketball does not stop anyone from going pro....yet I see NBA player after NBA player get in front of a camera and be a hypocrite by saying to pay the athletes....when it is their own "protectionism" rules that are preventing these players from being paid professionals. There is no real or easy way to incorporate payments into college athletics.


I agree. I’m not in favor of paying the players. But I am in favor of players being allowed to earn money through endorsements.


They also deserve to make money when the school sells jerseys with their name/number on it. They deserve a piece of that action.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:53 am    Post subject:

True amateur vs commercial ‘commodity’
Why not have a distinction between different NCAA sports/student athletes whether they’re mostly amateur or mixed amateur/commercial. Say if your budget spends less than 10% for the ‘student’ part of student athlete expenditures (academic purposes) the the student athletes are part of commercial for profit business aka not true amateur thus should be compensated (maybe a percentage of profits using their image). If other NCAA program spends more than 10% of their budget on academic then they’re true amateur and not entitled to compensation
(I pick 10% out of thin air but the idea is to have a distinction of which ones are true amateur student athletes and which ones are commercial athletes while being students)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject:

Why is it so widely accepted that paying players would reduce or eliminate these types of bribes from agents?
It won't.
People rich and poor, from all walks of life still want more money. That's why bribery works, from flat broke High School kids to the billionaires running the world.

Bribes and stipends are two separate issues. They are certainly linked, and will influence the other, but they each are more than important enough and distinct enough to merit independent discussion, too.

Give the kids a stipend.
Prosecute people who attempt to bribe them, and the agencies who employ them.
Let the IRS go after recipients who do not disclose this income on their tax returns.

That's a start, anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:59 pm    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
adkindo wrote:
The Lebrons wrote:
Let the players get paid. The end.


paid by who? tell me how that would work? The reason they do not have the option to get paid in the US is because the NBA players association will not allow it. The NCAA and college basketball does not stop anyone from going pro....yet I see NBA player after NBA player get in front of a camera and be a hypocrite by saying to pay the athletes....when it is their own "protectionism" rules that are preventing these players from being paid professionals. There is no real or easy way to incorporate payments into college athletics.


I agree. I’m not in favor of paying the players. But I am in favor of players being allowed to earn money through endorsements.


They also deserve to make money when the school sells jerseys with their name/number on it. They deserve a piece of that action.


I think they need to do both those things. If not, then the coaches and schools should be held to the same rules. That means Coach K cant sign a million dollar contract with Nike and force his kids to wear them. That means Nick Saban can't endorse Mercedes or Gatorade.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:55 pm    Post subject:

Report: Former Arizona recruit Shareef O'Neal expected to commit to UCLA

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/report-former-arizona-recruit-shareef-oneal-expected-to-commit-to-ucla/
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:21 am    Post subject:

Kansas finally gets mentioned in the FBI investigation. I said from the beginning....Kansas is Adidas's flagship school, and there is no way they are paying to recruit players to Louisville, and not pushing them to Kansas.

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Federal prosecutors in New York on Tuesday added additional criminal counts to the indictment of Adidas executive James Gatto, alleging for the first time that he conspired to provide cash payments to the families of former basketball players at Kansas and NC State.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:06 pm    Post subject:

anyone been keeping up with this? The stuff coming out daily in the current trial is just crazy. It seems clear that Arizona, Louisville, Kansas, Oregon, USC, Oklahoma State, Auburn, South Carolina and a handful of other teams will be under NCAA investigation when this FBI part wraps. Duke, UNC and Kentucky was even mentioned as a reference in one of the recently disclosed wiretaps.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:40 pm    Post subject:

I've caught a little bit of it in the news. What a sordid mess.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:06 pm    Post subject:

so the Big 12 Preseason poll came out today....and Kansas was a unanimous #1. At this point, how does Kansas even allow Bill Self take the sidelines. The evidence is pretty overwhelming that Kansas used Adidas to pay for players.....and the evidence also suggest that it was at the instruction of Bill Self.

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Former Adidas consultant TJ Gassnola, who pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud and testified during this month's federal criminal case concerning corruption in college basketball, will be sentenced on Feb. 1. Gassnola is accused of helping facilitate $90,000 to former Kansas player Billy Preston's mother, $20,000 to current Jayhawks player Silvio De Sousa's guardian and $40,000 to former NC State player Dennis Smith Jr.'s father.


Defense attorney: Kansas' Bill Self requested $20K payment for Silvio De Sousa

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Michael Schachter, an attorney for Adidas executive James Gatto, told the jury that Gatto approved a $20,000 payment to Fenny Falmagne, the guardian of current Kansas player Silvio De Sousa, only after Self and Kansas assistant Kurtis Townsend requested the payment through former Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola.

"The evidence, I submit, shows that Kansas' head coach knew of and asked for a payment to be made to Silvio De Sousa's handler," Schachter told the jury. "More than that, Coach Self requested just the kind of help that Mr. Gassnola arranged as a condition for Coach Self to permit Adidas to continue their sponsorship agreement with the University of Kansas."


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I get people shrug their shoulders at it, but in last years Big 12 Tournament Championship game, we (WVU) win that game if Silvio De Sousa does not fill in for the injured Azubuike and go 8 of 8 for 16 points and 10 rebounds. Malik Newman is another player that is highly expected of being paid dropped 20 points in that game on 6 of 8 from 3! Take it another step.....Kansas does not win the Big 12 regular season without De Sousa and Newman.....WVU does. Kansas does not get past Seton Hall or Clemson on their way to the Final 4 without De Sousa and Newman.

It matters, and we can pretend that "everyone is doing it", but that just is not true. WVU's starting lineup against Kansas in that Championship game......
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Jevon Carter was a 3 Star with no other Power 5 offers. Daxter Miles was a 3 Star with no other Division 1 offers. Sagaba Konate was a 3 Star with only other offers from Purdue and Pitt. Wesley Harris was a JUCO transfer with limited interest. Only Esa Ahmad had many Power 5 offers and was a 4 Star prospect. These are not the type of prospects getting paid.


If the NCAA does not bring the hammer down on Kansas, Arizona and every other big program caught up in knowingly using their show companies to pay for players.....then every program in the country should begin filling unmarked duffel bags with cash. I would have to think Harvard and Stanford probably have some wealthy alumni that would be willing to toss some spare change for some 5 Stars.

I think one option is to chop off the hands of those requesting. It seems like everyone wants to paint the players families as "victims", but they are far from victims. The IRS could make light work of this....because I am sure Deandre Ayton's guardian included this in their filed tax return? How about Dennis Smith Jr. or Josh Jackson's parents? File felony tax fraud cases against all of them that did not pay taxes on the received funds.....and a whole lot less hands will be out next year.
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