Viable Option to Keep Julius Randle
Goto page Previous  1, 2

 
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge Reply to topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
davidse
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 03 Jul 2005
Posts: 14246

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:50 pm    Post subject:

It's important to resign Randle and not match an offer sheet.
We don't need him with a no trade clause if one of our 2019 targets become available at the deadline...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Rek
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 24 Apr 2008
Posts: 1761
Location: SoCal

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject:

Vanquish wrote:
Randle is too young. He hasn't made his money yet and one freak injury can mean the end of any chance of getting nba money.

He should - and will - settle for nothing less than getting a long term contract at whatever maximum the market is willing to pay. He would be crazy not to.

Yep. That pretty well sums it up.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
NBALakerLegends
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 562

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:08 pm    Post subject:

davidse wrote:
It's important to resign Randle and not match an offer sheet.
We don't need him with a no trade clause if one of our 2019 targets become available at the deadline...


I donít think we would trade him in his first year in either case. We arenít some classless organization like the Clippers .
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
unleasHell
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Apr 2001
Posts: 8844
Location: Stay Thirsty my Friends

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:36 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
^
I am dubious of any scenario that depends on NBA players taking less money.

Fans always dream about that, but it rarely happens


LeBron took less money to go to the Heat!

Any discount he gives the Lakers in signing here, he will make double that with increased endorsements!

Also, I seem to recall something from many years back that LeBron's shoe contract had a "kicker" that paid him more money if he played in one of the biggest markets...Anyone know if that is still in play?

Otherwise, I say sign Randle and ONE max player and see what they can clear off the books for the 2019 FA's...
_________________
BRING ON THE DANCING HORSES...!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Vanquish
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 975
Location: London

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:02 pm    Post subject:

unleasHell wrote:
activeverb wrote:
^
I am dubious of any scenario that depends on NBA players taking less money.

Fans always dream about that, but it rarely happens


LeBron took less money to go to the Heat!

Any discount he gives the Lakers in signing here, he will make double that with increased endorsements!

Also, I seem to recall something from many years back that LeBron's shoe contract had a "kicker" that paid him more money if he played in one of the biggest markets...Anyone know if that is still in play?

Otherwise, I say sign Randle and ONE max player and see what they can clear off the books for the 2019 FA's...


My hunch is if Lebron comes it'll be more about family ( his wife wants to be in LA) and post-basketbal opportunities (movie/tv roles).

I don't think it will be about championships (although that will be a nice bonus for him) or - this probably works in our favour - money (he probably gets the most staying in Cle, also with California's state taxes). As long as the offer is not one where we are seen as disrespecting him, I think there's some room to negotiate.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
activeverb
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 17 Jun 2006
Posts: 26107

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:54 pm    Post subject:

unleasHell wrote:
activeverb wrote:
^
I am dubious of any scenario that depends on NBA players taking less money.

Fans always dream about that, but it rarely happens


LeBron took less money to go to the Heat!

Any discount he gives the Lakers in signing here, he will make double that with increased endorsements!

Also, I seem to recall something from many years back that LeBron's shoe contract had a "kicker" that paid him more money if he played in one of the biggest markets...Anyone know if that is still in play?

Otherwise, I say sign Randle and ONE max player and see what they can clear off the books for the 2019 FA's...


Yes, Lebron did leave some money on the table to go to Miami. However, he is already so well known, and so highly paid for endorsements, that I question whether his endorsement income would change simply from moving to Los Angeles.

I've heard various rumors about athletes who have shoe kickers (Lebron and Durant), but they always seem to be some vague reporting of something someone heard from someone else rather than anything well sourced.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
activeverb
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 17 Jun 2006
Posts: 26107

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:58 pm    Post subject:

davidse wrote:
It's important to resign Randle and not match an offer sheet.
We don't need him with a no trade clause if one of our 2019 targets become available at the deadline...


No one can offer Randle a no-trade clause. That's only available to players who have been in the league for 8 years, with 4 of those years needing to be with the team offering the no-trade clause.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
venturalakersfan
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 14 Apr 2001
Posts: 125566
Location: The Gold Coast

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:16 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
davidse wrote:
It's important to resign Randle and not match an offer sheet.
We don't need him with a no trade clause if one of our 2019 targets become available at the deadline...


No one can offer Randle a no-trade clause. That's only available to players who have been in the league for 8 years, with 4 of those years needing to be with the team offering the no-trade clause.


If someone gives him an offer sheet and we match he has to approve any trade for a year.
_________________
LG NBA Playoff pool:

1. VLF 16
2. pjiddy 15
2. Aeneas Hunter 15
2. Triangle_Offense 15
2. Freddie Buckets 15
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
A Mad Chinaman
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 07 Apr 2005
Posts: 4953

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:06 am    Post subject:

If players are only looking for the maximum $$$$ in the longest contract possible (even if it means being on a team that will not be a major player in the playoffs), Lakers will not get them

If players are willing to take the KD route (1+1 contract - only ďlosing 3-5 millionsĒ for one year and having the opportunity/freedom to leave or make more in Year 2) to play with a TEAM that can realistically challenge the Warriors, Rockets and Cavs of the world in LaLa Land - these players will carefully consider what the Magic Man offers!

Randle, LBJ, PG13 and others have the right to either be filthy rich on a bad team or believe in Magicís magical vision for at least one season while being free to go where they want to go and/or make in Year 2
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
LaxT
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 23 Sep 2002
Posts: 2318

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:18 am    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
2018-19

$35,350,000......LeBron†
$30,300,000......Paul George
$18,000,000......Luol Deng

$7,461,960........Lonzo Ball
$5,757,120........Brandon Ingram
$1,689,840........Kyle Kuzma
$1,655,160........Josh Hart

$1,600,000........2018 Draft Pick

$831,311...........Min Salary
$831,311...........Min Salary
$831,311...........Min Salary
$831,311...........Min Salary

$0.....................IT
$0.....................Randle
$0.....................Lopez
$0.................... Ivica Zubac
$0.....................Thomas Bryant
__________________
$105,139,325


Over $4 million above a $101 million salary cap without IT, Randle, Lopez etc.

What did your calculations come out to be?


More likely scenario

$18,000,000......Luol Deng
$7,461,960........Lonzo Ball
$5,757,120........Brandon Ingram
$1,689,840........Kyle Kuzma
$1,655,160........Josh Hart
$1,600,000........2018 Draft Pick
$831,311...........Min Salary
$831,311...........Min Salary
$831,311...........Min Salary
$18,000,000.......Randle (hypothetical)
$1,544,951.........Ivica Zubac
$1,378,242.........Thomas Bryant
$0.....................IT
$0.....................Lopez
__________________
$59,581,206

Around 42M to spend.

Assuming no PG nor LBJ, I hope the FO preserve one-max for 2019 and offer multi year to players who fit the development of young core.

Fast forward to 2019.

$31,000,000......One max
$6,270,000........Luol Deng (stretched)
$8,719,320........Lonzo Ball
$7,265,485........Brandon Ingram
$1,974,600........Kyle Kuzma
$1,934,160........Josh Hart
$1,900,000........2018 Draft Pick
$2,500,000........2019 Draft Pick
$831,311...........Min Salary
$831,311...........Min Salary
$831,311...........Min Salary
$831,311...........Min Salary
$20,000,000.......Randle (hypothetical)
__________________
$84,057,498

Assuming a cap of 104M, you could offer around 20M in 2018 for a contract(s) longer than one year.

In other words, the FO could split the aforementioned 42M space in 2018, spend half of it on multi-year contract(s) and the other half on one-year contract(s).

This is the scenario I foresee.

Even if Deng is totally removed, it is unpractical to resign Randle and have two-max in 2019. So it does not make sense to offer one-year contract only in 2018.


Last edited by LaxT on Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:19 am; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
LaxT
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 23 Sep 2002
Posts: 2318

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:22 am    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:

Randle, LBJ, PG13 and others have the right to be filthy rich on a good team while being free to go where they want to go and/or make in 2018
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
davidse
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 03 Jul 2005
Posts: 14246

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:08 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
activeverb wrote:
davidse wrote:
It's important to resign Randle and not match an offer sheet.
We don't need him with a no trade clause if one of our 2019 targets become available at the deadline...


No one can offer Randle a no-trade clause. That's only available to players who have been in the league for 8 years, with 4 of those years needing to be with the team offering the no-trade clause.


If someone gives him an offer sheet and we match he has to approve any trade for a year.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
MJST
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 06 Jul 2014
Posts: 14802

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Viable Option to Keep Julius Randle

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
pay him



fixed.
_________________
How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2
Jump to:  

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum






Graphics by uberzev
© 1995-2010 LakersGround.net. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. Terms of Use.
LakersGround is an unofficial news source serving the fan community since 1995.
We are in no way associated with the Los Angeles Lakers or the National Basketball Association.


Powered by phpBB