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scooterp10 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:41 am Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | jg77 wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: |
Are the missed open threes and poor FT% due to his form or does he need a sports psychologist to help him deal with the mental pressure he's facing? |
Nah, that shot is broken and couple that with the fact that he basically has no mid-range game and is poor finisher...:/
Luckily for us Lonzo does everything else pretty well that he is bust-proof imo. |
The fact that his FT% was so much better in high school with the same weird form makes me think it's more mental than technical from the line. http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/lonzo-ball/Xoz-LfTvEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm |
Exactly. He’s always been a shooter. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:57 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | adkindo wrote: | MIMLaker wrote: | He needs to follow the advice of an experienced, professional trainer - one with formal education in sports medicine and nutrition - and not his pops. |
heard Woj on Golic and Wingo this morning say something similar....said he needs to listen to the Lakers, and not "Daddy Ball" this summer....seemed kind of aggressive for Woj. |
Unfortunately, it seems like Lavar raised Zo to be a beta who never speaks against him or challenges him. |
The way I see it is that he is correct in that he does "owe" his parents to a degree. I have no doubt they made many sacrifices to get him to where he is and the opportunities that he has.....so I get that. At the same time, I do think he will need to reach the point where he understands the best way to help his family is not to do what or how they always prefer, but just become the best basketball player/professional that he can which will create the biggest opportunities for everyone in the family. Lavar is always going to think he knows best...it is Lonzo's responsibility to actually choose what is best. |
Every parent should sacrifice for their kids. Thats a part of being a parent. You choose to have kids, you need to sacrifice your life to raise them.
Also a part of being a good parent is letting them know that they don't "owe" you anything.
Lonzo making the NBA should be enough for LaVar. Just seeing your kid make it in this world should be enough.
LaVar really needs to live his own life instead of living vicariously through his kids. |
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LakerLand247 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Brittles needs to work on his outside shooting and staying healthy. His all around game is top notch. |
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Endless3D Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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oldschool32 wrote: | 22 wrote: | cinimod wrote: | Anybody know if Lonzo worked out with Gunnar last summer or if he worked out in Chino Hills? And what he intends to do this summer? |
He worked out with Gunnar after the draft.
He still eats stuff like bowls of cheese though lol. Needs a serious diet change.
Also I think Amoila is a lot better than gunnar when it comes to bball, I hope it's possible for Lonzo to get with him |
We need to get all our guys in their with Randle's trainer. |
I'm not sure if it's about Amolia being much better then Gunnar. I think last season Julius Randle had a mindset and drive that none of our young guys did.
Both guys know what they're doing, but our guys need to commit to it like Julius commit to the game plan Amolia put for him. |
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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I mean this in the most flattering way possible. Lonzo reminds me of Rondo in multiple ways.
Both players think a pass ahead before the ball is passed to them. Both love to throw up court passes in transition by the time they hit halfcourt, And both hang around when the opposing team's big grabs a defensive rebound, so Lonzo/Rondo can try and grab a steal/pressure the ball handler full court. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Endless3D wrote: | oldschool32 wrote: | 22 wrote: | cinimod wrote: | Anybody know if Lonzo worked out with Gunnar last summer or if he worked out in Chino Hills? And what he intends to do this summer? |
He worked out with Gunnar after the draft.
He still eats stuff like bowls of cheese though lol. Needs a serious diet change.
Also I think Amoila is a lot better than gunnar when it comes to bball, I hope it's possible for Lonzo to get with him |
We need to get all our guys in their with Randle's trainer. |
I'm not sure if it's about Amolia being much better then Gunnar. I think last season Julius Randle had a mindset and drive that none of our young guys did.
Both guys know what they're doing, but our guys need to commit to it like Julius commit to the game plan Amolia put for him. |
I agree. Randle had a great conditioning coach but it was Randle who had the mindset and drive to make it work.
Randle played 82 games this year, in spite of banging hard against centers all season. Randle set the standard for others to follow. Lonzo needs to reach that standard of putting conditioning first, above all else. |
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splashmtn Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Endless3D wrote: | oldschool32 wrote: | 22 wrote: | cinimod wrote: | Anybody know if Lonzo worked out with Gunnar last summer or if he worked out in Chino Hills? And what he intends to do this summer? |
He worked out with Gunnar after the draft.
He still eats stuff like bowls of cheese though lol. Needs a serious diet change.
Also I think Amoila is a lot better than gunnar when it comes to bball, I hope it's possible for Lonzo to get with him |
We need to get all our guys in their with Randle's trainer. |
I'm not sure if it's about Amolia being much better then Gunnar. I think last season Julius Randle had a mindset and drive that none of our young guys did.
Both guys know what they're doing, but our guys need to commit to it like Julius commit to the game plan Amolia put for him. |
I agree. Randle had a great conditioning coach but it was Randle who had the mindset and drive to make it work.
Randle played 82 games this year, in spite of banging hard against centers all season. Randle set the standard for others to follow. Lonzo needs to reach that standard of putting conditioning first, above all else. |
Stop it. They have completely different body types. |
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Endless3D Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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splashmtn wrote: | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Endless3D wrote: | oldschool32 wrote: | 22 wrote: | cinimod wrote: | Anybody know if Lonzo worked out with Gunnar last summer or if he worked out in Chino Hills? And what he intends to do this summer? |
He worked out with Gunnar after the draft.
He still eats stuff like bowls of cheese though lol. Needs a serious diet change.
Also I think Amoila is a lot better than gunnar when it comes to bball, I hope it's possible for Lonzo to get with him |
We need to get all our guys in their with Randle's trainer. |
I'm not sure if it's about Amolia being much better then Gunnar. I think last season Julius Randle had a mindset and drive that none of our young guys did.
Both guys know what they're doing, but our guys need to commit to it like Julius commit to the game plan Amolia put for him. |
I agree. Randle had a great conditioning coach but it was Randle who had the mindset and drive to make it work.
Randle played 82 games this year, in spite of banging hard against centers all season. Randle set the standard for others to follow. Lonzo needs to reach that standard of putting conditioning first, above all else. |
Stop it. They have completely different body types. |
He said nothing about body types, Randle set the standards with his body transformation. That mentality is what the rest of the young core needs to have. |
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Lakerz113 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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First and foremost i would like to see Lonzo learn how to finish around the rim,
Coming into the league i thought Lonzo knew how to use angles around the rim to finish ....kinda like Rondo. What concerns me is not his lack of blow by speed or getting to the basket but knowing what to do when he gets to the basket. |
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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How did the lakers miss on Mitchell and decided to go with Zo? |
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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PayasoLoco Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:16 am Post subject: |
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Wvc0925 wrote: | How did the lakers miss on Mitchell and decided to go with Zo? |
Mitchell and Tatum have been balling all year long. But if we went that route BI would be running point with Mitchell and with Tatum he’d be running it full time |
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Wvc0925 wrote: | How did the lakers miss on Mitchell and decided to go with Zo? |
Every damn year |
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Wvc0925 wrote: | How did the lakers miss on Mitchell and decided to go with Zo? |
Were you in the draft thread screaming for Mitchell? _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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markjay Star Player
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:09 am Post subject: |
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splashmtn wrote: | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Endless3D wrote: | oldschool32 wrote: | 22 wrote: | cinimod wrote: | Anybody know if Lonzo worked out with Gunnar last summer or if he worked out in Chino Hills? And what he intends to do this summer? |
He worked out with Gunnar after the draft.
He still eats stuff like bowls of cheese though lol. Needs a serious diet change.
Also I think Amoila is a lot better than gunnar when it comes to bball, I hope it's possible for Lonzo to get with him |
We need to get all our guys in their with Randle's trainer. |
I'm not sure if it's about Amolia being much better then Gunnar. I think last season Julius Randle had a mindset and drive that none of our young guys did.
Both guys know what they're doing, but our guys need to commit to it like Julius commit to the game plan Amolia put for him. |
I agree. Randle had a great conditioning coach but it was Randle who had the mindset and drive to make it work.
Randle played 82 games this year, in spite of banging hard against centers all season. Randle set the standard for others to follow. Lonzo needs to reach that standard of putting conditioning first, above all else. |
Stop it. They have completely different body types. |
Yes, they do, but that doesn’t mean that Lonzo can’t learn from Randle's commitment to conditioning. |
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markjay Star Player
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Wvc0925 wrote: | How did the lakers miss on Mitchell and decided to go with Zo? |
The ten teams that picked after the Lakers also passed on Mitchell, so it certainly wasn’t obvious how good he would be.
In any case, I am still predicting that Lonzo has the better NBA career. Lonzo is already better at everything other than shooting/scoring and he is more than a year younger than Mitchell as well. |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:44 am Post subject: |
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markjay wrote: | Wvc0925 wrote: | How did the lakers miss on Mitchell and decided to go with Zo? |
The ten teams that picked after the Lakers also passed on Mitchell, so it certainly wasn’t obvious how good he would be.
In any case, I am still predicting that Lonzo has the better NBA career. Lonzo is already better at everything other than shooting/scoring and he is more than a year younger than Mitchell as well. |
I don't want to create a messy debate here but the ONLY people in the world who keep pretending like they'd take Lonzo over Mitchell are those on this board.
Lonzo is a great rebounder, really good defender, and he is a great ball mover but Mitchell is on a completely different level right now. Just as Lonzo can grow in the areas of shooting, handles, scoring, body, etc, so will DM.
But I agree that people shouldn't sweat missing on Mitchell... 12 teams did. In fact Denver traded him for Lyles and Lydon.
There is something about shooting guards at #13: Kobe, Booker, Mitchell. |
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:56 am Post subject: |
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I'd still take Zo over every player in his draft. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Gimme_the_rock Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:59 am Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | I'd still take Zo over every player in his draft. |
The don't call this place overreaction.net for nothing. _________________ We back. |
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Gimme_the_rock wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | I'd still take Zo over every player in his draft. |
The don't call this place overreaction.net for nothing. |
It's at the point where I think Lavar Ball hacked everyone's accounts. _________________ If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft. - Magic Johnson Mar 27, 2011
For all of you out there questioning Jimmer Fredette of BYU, he is the real deal. - Magic Johnson Mar 20, 2011 |
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Gimme_the_rock wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | I'd still take Zo over every player in his draft. |
The don't call this place overreaction.net for nothing. |
Mitchell is a year older than Zo. That's one thing. While Mitchell has a chance at being the next best Ray Allen or Brandon Roy, Zo has a chance at being a generational talent who may re-define the PG position.
Mitchell right now is ahead of Zo. However, Zo's ceiling is still higher. I think a debate between Mitchell and Zo, or even Tatum and Zo comes down to those who just see the numbers and can't see the impact. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:22 am Post subject: |
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markjay wrote: | Wvc0925 wrote: | How did the lakers miss on Mitchell and decided to go with Zo? |
The ten teams that picked after the Lakers also passed on Mitchell, so it certainly wasn’t obvious how good he would be.
In any case, I am still predicting that Lonzo has the better NBA career. Lonzo is already better at everything other than shooting/scoring and he is more than a year younger than Mitchell as well. |
Eh, undersized shooting guard. I'll pass. The Lakers got the right guy. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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Gimme_the_rock Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:29 am Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | Gimme_the_rock wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | I'd still take Zo over every player in his draft. |
The don't call this place overreaction.net for nothing. |
Mitchell is a year older than Zo. That's one thing. While Mitchell has a chance at being the next best Ray Allen or Brandon Roy, Zo has a chance at being a generational talent who may re-define the PG position.
Mitchell right now is ahead of Zo. However, Zo's ceiling is still higher. I think a debate between Mitchell and Zo, or even Tatum and Zo comes down to those who just see the numbers and can't see the impact. |
And this has always been the case when it comes to the proper evaluation of Zo.
I just like to recall his game against Phoenix from early this season as what he'll be looking more and more like as he develops his offensive skill variety and increases his core strength and explosiveness. I'm sure his body will hold up a lot more like that, later in the season. Then people will get the numbers they love to fawn over. _________________ We back. |
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:36 am Post subject: |
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2019 wrote: | markjay wrote: | Wvc0925 wrote: | How did the lakers miss on Mitchell and decided to go with Zo? |
The ten teams that picked after the Lakers also passed on Mitchell, so it certainly wasn’t obvious how good he would be.
In any case, I am still predicting that Lonzo has the better NBA career. Lonzo is already better at everything other than shooting/scoring and he is more than a year younger than Mitchell as well. |
I don't want to create a messy debate here but the ONLY people in the world who keep pretending like they'd take Lonzo over Mitchell are those on this board.
Lonzo is a great rebounder, really good defender, and he is a great ball mover but Mitchell is on a completely different level right now. Just as Lonzo can grow in the areas of shooting, handles, scoring, body, etc, so will DM.
But I agree that people shouldn't sweat missing on Mitchell... 12 teams did. In fact Denver traded him for Lyles and Lydon.
There is something about shooting guards at #13: Kobe, Booker, Mitchell. |
Mitchell and tatum got drafted by playoff teams and people seem to conveniently forget that- I'm not the best player at LA fitness but once in a while when I get on a good team and I'm the 4th best player on said team?
I KILL IT... |
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Christopher Walken wrote: | 2019 wrote: | markjay wrote: | Wvc0925 wrote: | How did the lakers miss on Mitchell and decided to go with Zo? |
The ten teams that picked after the Lakers also passed on Mitchell, so it certainly wasn’t obvious how good he would be.
In any case, I am still predicting that Lonzo has the better NBA career. Lonzo is already better at everything other than shooting/scoring and he is more than a year younger than Mitchell as well. |
I don't want to create a messy debate here but the ONLY people in the world who keep pretending like they'd take Lonzo over Mitchell are those on this board.
Lonzo is a great rebounder, really good defender, and he is a great ball mover but Mitchell is on a completely different level right now. Just as Lonzo can grow in the areas of shooting, handles, scoring, body, etc, so will DM.
But I agree that people shouldn't sweat missing on Mitchell... 12 teams did. In fact Denver traded him for Lyles and Lydon.
There is something about shooting guards at #13: Kobe, Booker, Mitchell. |
Mitchell and tatum got drafted by playoff teams and people seem to conveniently forget that- I'm not the best player at LA fitness but once in a while when I get on a good team and I'm the 4th best player on said team?
I KILL IT... |
i want you on the summer league squad _________________ Kobe |
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