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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:40 am    Post subject:

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Nice video. Another thing I think we値l see as Ingram develops his lower body is more explosion coming off of those hesitation drives. He still reminds me of a puppy with paws he hasn稚 grown into fully yet.


https://youtu.be/dpUOxQlcdbw?t=2m53s this play is the best example of that. watch him push off of his left leg after the inside-out move to try to get by Morris - look at how little power he generates. how little pop of burst off that leg. More power will def help him plant and pop that leg forward

As an aside, that sequence of moves is probably the best example of an advanced wing handle that he's shown.


that was bad mechanics more than lack of strength - he needs to pivot that foot to point in the direction he's going to explode in before going rather than trying to go with his foot pointing in the wrong direction. right here- https://i.imgur.com/WT1Prdt.png - you can see his back foot, which is the foot he's exploding off of, is pointing in the wrong direction. this is something you learn in combat sports especially, power always comes from the ground up. if you're throwing a straight, your back foot should explode straight, if you're throwing a hook, you start the hook with your foot pivoting, a jab you throw with your lead foot straight. try to explode to your right with your left foot pointing forward and you'll see you don't generate any explosion at all. pivot it to mirror the direction you want to go, and you'll explode.

starting your change in direction with a foot pivot also brings your whole body with it, it creates the natural shoulder dip for you to get that shoulder down and around the defender. if your feet are square your shoulder will be square too, and you're basically fighting your own body to try and make a move.


Great point. But the fix will still require much applied work, because it's a biomechanics issue. Maybe lack of strength is the reason why he can't be explosive enough to properly align his body..maybe it's just reppinng/stretching postural fixes... it will take months to work that out still, not just a think-do thing.

@bbiomechanics on twitter calls this "leaking energy" , we should ask him how to fix it!
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You know what, these energy-leaks / improper alignment is probably why he can be a great leaper at times, and on other leaps he doesn't have that crazy spring at all.
Like, pre-achilles Rudy Gay would be able to do a cockback tomahawk every time you gave him the open lane , he would get that same pop, every time, at the drop of a dime. With Ingram you don't feel like he can give you that pop at the drop of a dime in the lane, not consistently at all.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj8mUXI-n2k Imagine if he elevated like this in the lane every time..........
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject:

"Energy leaks" is a fantastic term. I'm working on a video about his finishing at the rim, and that's definitely an issue.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:22 pm    Post subject:

great vid GT - I think a big part of Ingram's development is going to be deciding when to commit to unleashing those long strides vs recognizing when going into full extension might get him in trouble. Reading his defender more or less. Because while his length is a great weapon for getting around guys, if he commits full extension and doesn't get his shoulders by, he's in serious trouble.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject:

44TheLogo wrote:
great vid GT - I think a big part of Ingram's development is going to be deciding when to commit to unleashing those long strides vs recognizing when going into full extension might get him in trouble. Reading his defender more or less. Because while his length is a great weapon for getting around guys, if he commits full extension and doesn't get his shoulders by, he's in serious trouble.


I think his decision-making is the single biggest variable in his development, even more than his shooting. He shoots pretty well on the shots he should take, but takes a lot of shots that he shouldn't. I'm hoping this is somewhere where the "he's 20" stuff has a good deal of validity.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:37 pm    Post subject:

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great vid GT - I think a big part of Ingram's development is going to be deciding when to commit to unleashing those long strides vs recognizing when going into full extension might get him in trouble. Reading his defender more or less. Because while his length is a great weapon for getting around guys, if he commits full extension and doesn't get his shoulders by, he's in serious trouble.


I think his decision-making is the single biggest variable in his development, even more than his shooting. He shoots pretty well on the shots he should take, but takes a lot of shots that he shouldn't. I'm hoping this is somewhere where the "he's 20" stuff has a good deal of validity.


absolutely. he has the skills and the physical tools. even if he didn't develop anything new and just learned when to do what with what he's already got that's, a great player.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 7:05 pm    Post subject:

Let me just say, GT, listening to you on the most recent Locked on Lakers, your growth as an analyst and public communicator over the past 18 months has blown me away. Kudos to you!
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:44 pm    Post subject:

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Let me just say, GT, listening to you on the most recent Locked on Lakers, your growth as an analyst and public communicator over the past 18 months has blown me away. Kudos to you!


Thanks, BVH! If your'e blown away, how do you think I feel?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:10 am    Post subject:

Came across this interview with GT, thought to share -


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject:

Podcast: What We've Learned From the Playoffs

https://soundcloud.com/user-456873398/what-weve-learned-from-the-playoffs
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:22 am    Post subject:

Video: Kyle Kuzma's Post Moves

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/5/31/17410938/la-lakers-video-kyle-kuzma-post-moves-laker-film-room
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject:

GT, you should post your appearances on Locked on Lakers too dude. The awkward Harrison shade is worth the listen alone... plus I guess there is that Anthony guy too.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:43 pm    Post subject:

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GT, you should post your appearances on Locked on Lakers too dude. The awkward Harrison shade is worth the listen alone... plus I guess there is that Anthony guy too.


Haha, will do.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:52 pm    Post subject:

Any chance we値l get some LFR classics this off-season?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:43 pm    Post subject:

GT seems to be all over the place today - https://www.podcastone.com/americas-lakers-podcast
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:06 pm    Post subject:

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Any chance we値l get some LFR classics this off-season?


Maybe, I'm crazy busy and have another thing coming up that I can't announce yet.

Any requests?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:07 pm    Post subject:

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GT seems to be all over the place today - https://www.podcastone.com/americas-lakers-podcast


I did 4 podcasts and completed 2 videos and managed to mix in an appearance to watch a draft workout in about a 26 hour span. I am le tired.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:07 pm    Post subject:

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Any chance we値l get some LFR classics this off-season?


Maybe, I'm crazy busy and have another thing coming up that I can't announce yet.

Any requests?


My vote is for Kobe痴 worst game ever. I believe it was against the hornets or Memphis. He pretty much missed every shot he took except for the game winner lol.

I remember the crowd痴 gasp and anxiety with every miss. When he finally hit the winner I was so excited I spiked my tv remote on the ground so hard the batteries broke through the plastic cover haha
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:36 am    Post subject:

2 games for the LFR Classic:

The very first game (vs Denver, I believe) where he had the court appearance during the day & played the same night.. I believe he hit the game winner that game as well..

My 2nd game would be the game vs the Mavericks where we were down damn near 30 in the 4th & came back & won..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject:

My wife is a retired orthopedic surgeon. For years, she'd harped at me that there's a general public misconception regarding the human body with regard to build and biomechanics. She believes (and I have come to agree with her) that in general, people falsely believe that what one person can do - another person should be able to do as well.

There's many hidden-from-the-eye physical traits that prevent one person from doing physically what another can do, or at least enough to explain away the performance differences between two individuals. At the high performance levels of pro basketball for example, and with regard to leaping with quickness, leaping with strength, leaping for height, distance and leaping in succession, these issues of build can be enormous factors.

In the case of Rudy Gay for example, I reckon we may be looking at an extreme case of near-perfection in terms of original hip, leg, foot and ankle build with respect to the performance areas demanded by this sport. It's complex: ligament and tendon size, nerve efficiency and sensitivity and signal transmission rates, bone shapes, muscle fiber compositions. In some ways, taken together it's a gift, if one undamaged in life's experience. We think it's more than likely that only a handful of people in a given generation will have the array of precise physical advantages which Gay may have been born into.

All a guy like Ingram can do is keep working on technique and training (as described in earlier parts of the thread) and hope for the best. He may never have performances akin to what Gay and the rare few like him produce with such visible ease.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:41 am    Post subject:

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My wife is a retired orthopedic surgeon. For years, she'd harped at me that there's a general public misconception regarding the human body with regard to build and biomechanics. She believes (and I have come to agree with her) that in general, people falsely believe that what one person can do - another person should be able to do as well.

There's many hidden-from-the-eye physical traits that prevent one person from doing physically what another can do, or at least enough to explain away the performance differences between two individuals. At the high performance levels of pro basketball for example, and with regard to leaping with quickness, leaping with strength, leaping for height, distance and leaping in succession, these issues of build can be enormous factors.

In the case of Rudy Gay for example, I reckon we may be looking at an extreme case of near-perfection in terms of original hip, leg, foot and ankle build with respect to the performance areas demanded by this sport. It's complex: ligament and tendon size, nerve efficiency and sensitivity and signal transmission rates, bone shapes, muscle fiber compositions. In some ways, taken together it's a gift, if one undamaged in life's experience. We think it's more than likely that only a handful of people in a given generation will have the array of precise physical advantages which Gay may have been born into.

All a guy like Ingram can do is keep working on technique and training (as described in earlier parts of the thread) and hope for the best. He may never have performances akin to what Gay and the rare few like him produce with such visible ease.

Great post and I agree. Each individual human has a unique dna makeup and has unique gifts. The old cliche is true: Be the best that YOU can be.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:55 am    Post subject:

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My wife is a retired orthopedic surgeon. For years, she'd harped at me that there's a general public misconception regarding the human body with regard to build and biomechanics. She believes (and I have come to agree with her) that in general, people falsely believe that what one person can do - another person should be able to do as well.

There's many hidden-from-the-eye physical traits that prevent one person from doing physically what another can do, or at least enough to explain away the performance differences between two individuals. At the high performance levels of pro basketball for example, and with regard to leaping with quickness, leaping with strength, leaping for height, distance and leaping in succession, these issues of build can be enormous factors.

In the case of Rudy Gay for example, I reckon we may be looking at an extreme case of near-perfection in terms of original hip, leg, foot and ankle build with respect to the performance areas demanded by this sport. It's complex: ligament and tendon size, nerve efficiency and sensitivity and signal transmission rates, bone shapes, muscle fiber compositions. In some ways, taken together it's a gift, if one undamaged in life's experience. We think it's more than likely that only a handful of people in a given generation will have the array of precise physical advantages which Gay may have been born into.

All a guy like Ingram can do is keep working on technique and training (as described in earlier parts of the thread) and hope for the best. He may never have performances akin to what Gay and the rare few like him produce with such visible ease.

Great post and I agree. Each individual human has a unique dna makeup and has unique gifts. The old cliche is true: Be the best that YOU can be.


Totally agree with the premise. It, at least for me, comes down to how most people view things superficially. Most assume a man should be able to dunk with ease if he's 6'5, , or a woman is probably stuck up if she's beautiful, etc.,

I've seen many a tall guy who can't touch the rim nor dunk, and many a short guy that will throw it down with the best. From a physicality standpoint, people are as different as their fingerprints, despite appearances.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject:

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Any chance we値l get some LFR classics this off-season?


Maybe, I'm crazy busy and have another thing coming up that I can't announce yet.

Any requests?


Totally understood. If you did get around to it:

(i) Game 1 of the 2002 WCF vs the Kings. Best I've ever seen the Triangle offense run, I think there is a lot of gold to mine there, lot of teachable stuff about spacing . . . plus it's a fun contrast between the triangle and an offense that would resemble today's league;

(ii) the transition offense principles of the Showtime Lakers and any lessons that can be imparted upon today's young players (what I'd like to learn about: how much of that special time period is uniquely attributable to Magic and how much of that was a product of smart spacing and gapping principles);

(iii) the Final 23: from 2-22-2013 to 4-12-2013, Kobe Bryant played some of the best basketball of his career, almost singlehandedly leading the Lakers into the playoffs before famously tearing his achilles. Playing largely as a PG in D'antoni's heavy P/R system, Kobe shredded defenses, posting multiple 40-point-10-assist games, leading three huge comebacks (and had what remains, I believe, the only 47/8/5/4/3 game in history @ Portland). For fans thinking "what would KB look like in today's league), this is probably the best snapshot available to us. I'd love to know what D'antoni and KB were doing to get to that level of play and see if there is anything we can take from that time and adopt with today's team. [FWIW, KB averaged: 29 PTS, 7 assists, 6.2 rebounds, 1.4 steals, .4 blocks, 4.0 turnovers - he missed 2 games (so it's really the final 21, but who's counting)
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