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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:16 am    Post subject:

I’m coming around on Robinson more and more everyday. Long, athletic, mobile, coordinated and seems comfortable shooting the ball. He doesn’t know how to play the game yet but is there anybody else available at that part of the draft with his potential? No I highly doubt it. With some decent coaching his floor has to be somewhere around Javale McGee right? And undeniable all star ceiling potential. Hard to pass on this guy especially when you consider that he fills the biggest hole on the Lakers roster.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:15 pm    Post subject:

So LFR tweeted about maybe, possibly listening to what current and former players have to say about the game and their peers from their experience, re: Durant on Kobe. Now his thoughtful comment is getting shut down in some Twitter corners by a number of 20-something YMCA warriors working on their statistics degrees. And I'm sure it's probably nothing, but the optics of a group of mostly white, mostly putatively woke undergrad dudes condescending to some grown ass black men who play ball for a living that they don't comprehend the "macro analysis" of basketball looks a little...off. Just a little...off.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:11 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
So LFR tweeted about maybe, possibly listening to what current and former players have to say about the game and their peers from their experience, re: Durant on Kobe. Now his thoughtful comment is getting shut down in some Twitter corners by a number of 20-something YMCA warriors working on their statistics degrees. And I'm sure it's probably nothing, but the optics of a group of mostly white, mostly putatively woke undergrad dudes condescending to some grown ass black men who play ball for a living that they don't comprehend the "macro analysis" of basketball looks a little...off. Just a little...off.




This really, really rubs me the wrong way.

I think it's foolish to disregard people who never played the game and act like they don't have any insight to add, which is a mentality that many players & ex-players have had toward analytics especially. But it absolutely boggles my mind when I see it happen in the other direction, when the stat-nerds verbally roll their eyes and pat those clueless players on the head, because it is they who are the stewards of basketball truth. FOH

My point wasn't that players are infallible, it's that they are worth listening to on the strength of having extraordinarily rare experience that's germane to the topic. They are worth listening to. You don't have to agree, just listen and don't be dismissive simply because they disagree with you. And in this particular instance, when you have a number of those people echoing the same sentiment, that's particularly compelling.

And that's before you get into the racial component, which is painfully obvious to see.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject:

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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
So LFR tweeted about maybe, possibly listening to what current and former players have to say about the game and their peers from their experience, re: Durant on Kobe. Now his thoughtful comment is getting shut down in some Twitter corners by a number of 20-something YMCA warriors working on their statistics degrees. And I'm sure it's probably nothing, but the optics of a group of mostly white, mostly putatively woke undergrad dudes condescending to some grown ass black men who play ball for a living that they don't comprehend the "macro analysis" of basketball looks a little...off. Just a little...off.




This really, really rubs me the wrong way.

I think it's foolish to disregard people who never played the game and act like they don't have any insight to add, which is a mentality that many players & ex-players have had toward analytics especially. But it absolutely boggles my mind when I see it happen in the other direction, when the stat-nerds verbally roll their eyes and pat those clueless players on the head, because it is they who are the stewards of basketball truth. FOH

My point wasn't that players are infallible, it's that they are worth listening to on the strength of having extraordinarily rare experience that's germane to the topic. They are worth listening to. You don't have to agree, just listen and don't be dismissive simply because they disagree with you. And in this particular instance, when you have a number of those people echoing the same sentiment, that's particularly compelling.

And that's before you get into the racial component, which is painfully obvious to see.


there's a part of the game that those who have never competed at a high level in anything will never understand, and will willfully dismiss because they've never felt it. someone like kobe's relentless competitiveness and drive to win isn't really valued by those who are into statistics and efficiency. i think it's illustrated best in the whole kobe vs deron williams thing (and the casual response to it as well) illustrated best here: https://deadspin.com/this-is-the-only-kobe-bryant-quote-1627105770

if you don't understand that what kobe's saying here is 100% true, then you just don't get it.

if you've never been on the court and actually felt the tenor of a game turn against you, or felt your teammates tightening up and the proverbial lid shutting on the rim, the idea that there is value in being so locked in that you keep shooting and keep competing even if it's inefficient is completely lost.

like, the whole quote from shaq about those airballs against the jazz, where he says that kobe was the only guy who wanted to take those shots...that's not trite BS, that's real. stat nerds who've never played can't understand that pressure if they've never been in it - i bet they'd get nervous presenting a paper in front of a class of 30 let alone performing at the highest level in front of 30,000 screaming fans and knowing there's millions watching on tv...

and this is coming from a stats nerd :]
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
So LFR tweeted about maybe, possibly listening to what current and former players have to say about the game and their peers from their experience, re: Durant on Kobe. Now his thoughtful comment is getting shut down in some Twitter corners by a number of 20-something YMCA warriors working on their statistics degrees. And I'm sure it's probably nothing, but the optics of a group of mostly white, mostly putatively woke undergrad dudes condescending to some grown ass black men who play ball for a living that they don't comprehend the "macro analysis" of basketball looks a little...off. Just a little...off.




This really, really rubs me the wrong way.

I think it's foolish to disregard people who never played the game and act like they don't have any insight to add, which is a mentality that many players & ex-players have had toward analytics especially. But it absolutely boggles my mind when I see it happen in the other direction, when the stat-nerds verbally roll their eyes and pat those clueless players on the head, because it is they who are the stewards of basketball truth. FOH

My point wasn't that players are infallible, it's that they are worth listening to on the strength of having extraordinarily rare experience that's germane to the topic. They are worth listening to. You don't have to agree, just listen and don't be dismissive simply because they disagree with you. And in this particular instance, when you have a number of those people echoing the same sentiment, that's particularly compelling.

And that's before you get into the racial component, which is painfully obvious to see.


My twitter feed is killing me these days. I immediately unfollow people who attempt to signal their supposed basketball sophistication in this way, but still the trash manages to find its way back onto my timeline.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:34 am    Post subject:

I have no idea who the Lakers should or will be picking, BUT if they are not bring back Randle or Lopez at Center, there is no way in heck I feel comfortable with Bryant or Zubac as the starting center of a supposedly playoff-bound team.

That being said, I would be fine with Robinson, he looks very a decent prospect!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:26 am    Post subject:

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I have no idea who the Lakers should or will be picking, BUT if they are not bring back Randle or Lopez at Center, there is no way in heck I feel comfortable with Bryant or Zubac as the starting center of a supposedly playoff-bound team.

That being said, I would be fine with Robinson, he looks very a decent prospect!


I don't feel comfortable with Bryant or Zu going forward either but there's so little information on this kid on which to base a decision. Not just from a skill standpoint but from a mental one as well. Zu and Bryant were mid 2nd round picks so there was less risk involved. I feel less comfortable using a 1st round pick on this kid than I do starting either one of those guys.

I know most of these potential draftees avoid one-on-one workouts these days but I would insist on one from this kid just to see how he competes against men. I want to see more than just a guy knocking down perimeter shots in an empty gym with no one guarding him and how high he can jump.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:28 am    Post subject:

Right on #8!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:21 pm    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/espnlosangeles/status/1007353174489878528?s=21

Look at who got a mention...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:09 am    Post subject:

I’m excited to be joining The Athletic along with the Kamenetzky Brothers & Bill Oram as we launch our Lakers' coverage. I’ll be providing one deep-dive per week that will integrate written & video analysis.

We're offering 30% off + a free t-shirt if you sign up through this link.

http://theathletic.com/LAexpansion

It’s gonna be a busy year for me, but I'll be producing a lot more content. This is the projected weekly schedule:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:17 am    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
I’m excited to be joining The Athletic along with the Kamenetzky Brothers & Bill Oram as we launch our Lakers' coverage. I’ll be providing one deep-dive per week that will integrate written & video analysis.

We're offering 30% off + a free t-shirt if you sign up through this link.

http://theathletic.com/LAexpansion

It’s gonna be a busy year for me, but I'll be producing a lot more content. This is the projected weekly schedule:

1 deep-dive analysis piece for The Athletic
2 two-minute videos for Silver Screen & Roll
1 YouTube vid
2 Locked on Lakers Podcasts
1 Laker Film Room Podcast


Congrats GT! Keep up the great work!

(P.S. - when I read the updated headline my first thought was "huh, that's an interesting expansion for "The Atlantic"... didn't think they covered sports at all, and now they're going for in-depth basketball X&O's content? weird")
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:30 am    Post subject:

Congrats GT!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:47 am    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
I’m excited to be joining The Athletic along with the Kamenetzky Brothers & Bill Oram as we launch our Lakers' coverage. I’ll be providing one deep-dive per week that will integrate written & video analysis.

We're offering 30% off + a free t-shirt if you sign up through this link.

http://theathletic.com/LAexpansion

It’s gonna be a busy year for me, but I'll be producing a lot more content. This is the projected weekly schedule:

1 deep-dive analysis piece for The Athletic
2 two-minute videos for Silver Screen & Roll
1 YouTube vid
2 Locked on Lakers Podcasts
1 Laker Film Room Podcast


Glad to see you doing what you love ^_^
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:49 am    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
I’m excited to be joining The Athletic along with the Kamenetzky Brothers & Bill Oram as we launch our Lakers' coverage. I’ll be providing one deep-dive per week that will integrate written & video analysis.

We're offering 30% off + a free t-shirt if you sign up through this link.

http://theathletic.com/LAexpansion

It’s gonna be a busy year for me, but I'll be producing a lot more content. This is the projected weekly schedule:

1 deep-dive analysis piece for The Athletic
2 two-minute videos for Silver Screen & Roll
1 YouTube vid
2 Locked on Lakers Podcasts
1 Laker Film Room Podcast


Good things happen for those who work hard! Congratulations, hope the opportunities blow your door down!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:56 am    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
I’m excited to be joining The Athletic along with the Kamenetzky Brothers & Bill Oram as we launch our Lakers' coverage. I’ll be providing one deep-dive per week that will integrate written & video analysis.

We're offering 30% off + a free t-shirt if you sign up through this link.

http://theathletic.com/LAexpansion

It’s gonna be a busy year for me, but I'll be producing a lot more content. This is the projected weekly schedule:

1 deep-dive analysis piece for The Athletic
2 two-minute videos for Silver Screen & Roll
1 YouTube vid
2 Locked on Lakers Podcasts
1 Laker Film Room Podcast


Congrats brother
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:03 am    Post subject:

Congrats GT; much deserved!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:11 am    Post subject:

Nice GT!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:12 am    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
I’m excited to be joining The Athletic along with the Kamenetzky Brothers & Bill Oram as we launch our Lakers' coverage. I’ll be providing one deep-dive per week that will integrate written & video analysis.

We're offering 30% off + a free t-shirt if you sign up through this link.

http://theathletic.com/LAexpansion

It’s gonna be a busy year for me, but I'll be producing a lot more content. This is the projected weekly schedule:

1 deep-dive analysis piece for The Athletic
2 two-minute videos for Silver Screen & Roll
1 YouTube vid
2 Locked on Lakers Podcasts
1 Laker Film Room Podcast


Congratulations, brotha!! You're becoming the prime Ryan Seacrest of LA hoop broadcasting.

How long before you get to do that God-awful good cop/bad cop skit on Spectrum?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:23 am    Post subject:

a cavalcade of doubleyous outchea
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:26 am    Post subject:

Haha, appreciate it, guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:32 am    Post subject:

Congrats GT. Well deserved. Keep up the good work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject:

Congrats GT!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:12 am    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
I’m excited to be joining The Athletic along with the Kamenetzky Brothers & Bill Oram as we launch our Lakers' coverage. I’ll be providing one deep-dive per week that will integrate written & video analysis.

We're offering 30% off + a free t-shirt if you sign up through this link.

http://theathletic.com/LAexpansion

It’s gonna be a busy year for me, but I'll be producing a lot more content. This is the projected weekly schedule:

1 deep-dive analysis piece for The Athletic
2 two-minute videos for Silver Screen & Roll
1 YouTube vid
2 Locked on Lakers Podcasts
1 Laker Film Room Podcast


That’s awesome man, congrats.

Next year I’m hoping for:

1 segment of NBA on TNT
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject:

GT's inspiration
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:17 am    Post subject:

pokoy wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
I’m excited to be joining The Athletic along with the Kamenetzky Brothers & Bill Oram as we launch our Lakers' coverage. I’ll be providing one deep-dive per week that will integrate written & video analysis.

We're offering 30% off + a free t-shirt if you sign up through this link.

http://theathletic.com/LAexpansion

It’s gonna be a busy year for me, but I'll be producing a lot more content. This is the projected weekly schedule:

1 deep-dive analysis piece for The Athletic
2 two-minute videos for Silver Screen & Roll
1 YouTube vid
2 Locked on Lakers Podcasts
1 Laker Film Room Podcast


That’s awesome man, congrats.

Next year I’m hoping for:

1 segment of NBA on TNT


I'm gonna need

1 year in the gym
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