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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject:

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Guys, come on. He has won at every level except college and the pros...cut him some slack.


Shaq, when did you sign on to LG?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:50 pm    Post subject:

For the right price... which includes:

-Being able to land Bron, PG13, CP3, resign Julius
-Dump Deng
-Get back top 10 pick

If a Lonzo trade can somehow facilitate all that, then I'd love to see the face on Lavar when his brand is shipped outta LA. This guy who promised 50 wins and playoffs if we draft Zo, just guaranteed playoffs if we sign Gelo. It would be worth it to not hear from this clown again.

I'm still high on Lonzo though.
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Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


My belief is jump shooters have a more difficult transition then those who shoot set shots which Lonzo is the later.

Hopefully he figures out his stroke.
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LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


My belief is jump shooters have a more difficult transition then those who shoot set shots which Lonzo is the later.

Hopefully he figures out his stroke.

You mean former?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:05 pm    Post subject:

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Guys, come on. He has won at every level except college and the pros...cut him some slack.

He made Steve Alford look semi-competent.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:09 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


My belief is jump shooters have a more difficult transition then those who shoot set shots which Lonzo is the later.

Hopefully he figures out his stroke.

You mean former?


He is like a hybrid. His shot pocket is so low and he takes a small jump so yes technically a jump shot with aspects of a set shot.

In comparison Fultz is a true jump shooter.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject:

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Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


When you are a 6-5 point guard playing at Chino Hills and UCLA, what percentage of your games are against a team that has no business playing you with a 5-9 PG? I would say 90% of CHino games and 65% of UCLA games fell in this category. About 0% of NBA games fall in this one.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:38 pm    Post subject:

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LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


When you are a 6-5 point guard playing at Chino Hills and UCLA, what percentage of your games are against a team that has no business playing you with a 5-9 PG? I would say 90% of CHino games and 65% of UCLA games fell in this category. About 0% of NBA games fall in this one.

College teams would put bigger guard/wing defenders on him since Bryce Alford was only around 6'2. Which is more an indictment of Lonzo's lack of handle than his jumper when you think about it.

Also, he's 6'6.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:45 pm    Post subject:

PlantedTanks wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


My belief is jump shooters have a more difficult transition then those who shoot set shots which Lonzo is the later.

Hopefully he figures out his stroke.

You mean former?


He is like a hybrid. His shot pocket is so low and he takes a small jump so yes technically a jump shot with aspects of a set shot.

In comparison Fultz is a true jump shooter.

I mean, it looks like a jumpshot to me: https://youtube.com/watch?v=201AcBLBAjQ
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject:

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Guys, come on. He has won at every level except college and the pros...cut him some slack.


Shaq, when did you sign on to LG?


exactly...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:59 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


When you are a 6-5 point guard playing at Chino Hills and UCLA, what percentage of your games are against a team that has no business playing you with a 5-9 PG? I would say 90% of CHino games and 65% of UCLA games fell in this category. About 0% of NBA games fall in this one.

College teams would put bigger guard/wing defenders on him since Bryce Alford was only around 6'2. Which is more an indictment of Lonzo's lack of handle than his jumper when you think about it.

Also, he's 6'6.


Initially I was going to call him 6-7 but didn't want to get called out for calling too tall. 6-6 is probably more accurate. Besides the height of opponents, there is a big difference between UCLA's games against Fresno state and the Lakers' against the Phoenix Suns, the teams worser of opponents each year. Now I am a big fan of Lonzo, I have a bunch of BBB "merch" but that funky wind up on his shot is disadvantageous. If you have a skill and a height advantage on your opponent it can make up for it, but we can't yet rule out the possibility that his low and sideways pullback point is not going to an ignorable disadvantage.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:07 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


When you are a 6-5 point guard playing at Chino Hills and UCLA, what percentage of your games are against a team that has no business playing you with a 5-9 PG? I would say 90% of CHino games and 65% of UCLA games fell in this category. About 0% of NBA games fall in this one.

College teams would put bigger guard/wing defenders on him since Bryce Alford was only around 6'2. Which is more an indictment of Lonzo's lack of handle than his jumper when you think about it.

Also, he's 6'6.


Thats not really true.

1) A lot of teams play a zone so there isn't a bigger defender assigned to Zo.

2) A lot of teams aren't starting two players in the backcourt over 6'3

3) Some teams actually put their bigger defender on Alford and their small defender on Zo (USC did this).
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:20 pm    Post subject:

LakerMindLA wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


When you are a 6-5 point guard playing at Chino Hills and UCLA, what percentage of your games are against a team that has no business playing you with a 5-9 PG? I would say 90% of CHino games and 65% of UCLA games fell in this category. About 0% of NBA games fall in this one.

College teams would put bigger guard/wing defenders on him since Bryce Alford was only around 6'2. Which is more an indictment of Lonzo's lack of handle than his jumper when you think about it.

Also, he's 6'6.


Thats not really true.

1) A lot of teams play a zone so there isn't a bigger defender assigned to Zo.

2) A lot of teams aren't starting two players in the backcourt over 6'3

3) Some teams actually put their bigger defender on Alford and their small defender on Zo (USC did this).

What you just said did not invalidate my comment. What you meant to write was "that wasn't always true."
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:23 pm    Post subject:

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Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


I guess that was too broad a spectrum. Brown shot 40% in 5 years at Stanford. His first two were at 35%.

Brown couldn’t cut it in the NBA, but he is shooting a career 41% in the G League on 5.5 attempts. He even started in 43 games last season.

Wesley Johnson only shot the 3 well one year which is surprising. His first two years he shot 31% on 4 attempts which was more inline with his pro career.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:18 pm    Post subject:

scooterp10 wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


I guess that was too broad a spectrum. Brown shot 40% in 5 years at Stanford. His first two were at 35%.

Brown couldn’t cut it in the NBA, but he is shooting a career 41% in the G League on 5.5 attempts. He even started in 43 games last season.

Wesley Johnson only shot the 3 well one year which is surprising. His first two years he shot 31% on 4 attempts which was more inline with his pro career.

Wesley Johnson was a total fake shooter in college. What an obviously terrible lottery pick he was even at that time.

Sometimes those guys work out like Buddy Hield, but beware the older college prospect who has one great year of shooting as an upperclassman.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:32 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


My belief is jump shooters have a more difficult transition then those who shoot set shots which Lonzo is the later.

Hopefully he figures out his stroke.

You mean former?


He is like a hybrid. His shot pocket is so low and he takes a small jump so yes technically a jump shot with aspects of a set shot.

In comparison Fultz is a true jump shooter.

I mean, it looks like a jumpshot to me: https://youtube.com/watch?v=201AcBLBAjQ


When I refer to a set shot I look at certain mechanics that differ from what I consider a jump shot. Curry is a good example. Low shot pocket with the stroke being made as the player is still jumping up. The stroke is continuous with no slight hesitation at the apex of the jump.

While Lonzo is not as pure as Curry in this respect he has the low shot pocket, starts the stroke on the rise and completes in one continuous motion. There is no hesitation and normally the ball is released before his apex. It's subtle but it is there.

Jump shooters begin their stroke at the apex of the jump. There is a slight hesitation at the apex then they begin the stroke. Anthony Brown and Fultz are good examples.
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PlantedTanks wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


My belief is jump shooters have a more difficult transition then those who shoot set shots which Lonzo is the later.

Hopefully he figures out his stroke.

You mean former?


He is like a hybrid. His shot pocket is so low and he takes a small jump so yes technically a jump shot with aspects of a set shot.

In comparison Fultz is a true jump shooter.

I mean, it looks like a jumpshot to me: https://youtube.com/watch?v=201AcBLBAjQ


When I refer to a set shot I look at certain mechanics that differ from what I consider a jump shot. Curry is a good example. Low shot pocket with the stroke being made as the player is still jumping up. The stroke is continuous with no slight hesitation at the apex of the jump.

While Lonzo is not as pure as Curry in this respect he has the low shot pocket, starts the stroke on the rise and completes in one continuous motion. There is no hesitation and normally the ball is released before his apex. It's subtle but it is there.

Jump shooters begin their stroke at the apex of the jump. There is a slight hesitation at the apex then they begin the stroke. Anthony Brown and Fultz are good examples.

Was Kevin Martin a set shooter?
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
scooterp10 wrote:


Do you know anybody that shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts in college that couldn’t shoot as a pro. Lonzo will be fine


It isn't that uncommon for shooting to not translate from college to the NBA.

Two example of past Laker players:

Anthony Brown - career 43% shooter at Stanford, couldn't shoot in the NBA.
Wesley Johnson shot 41% on 3's as a JR in college. Not a great NBA shooter.


My belief is jump shooters have a more difficult transition then those who shoot set shots which Lonzo is the later.

Hopefully he figures out his stroke.

You mean former?


He is like a hybrid. His shot pocket is so low and he takes a small jump so yes technically a jump shot with aspects of a set shot.

In comparison Fultz is a true jump shooter.

I mean, it looks like a jumpshot to me: https://youtube.com/watch?v=201AcBLBAjQ


When I refer to a set shot I look at certain mechanics that differ from what I consider a jump shot. Curry is a good example. Low shot pocket with the stroke being made as the player is still jumping up. The stroke is continuous with no slight hesitation at the apex of the jump.

While Lonzo is not as pure as Curry in this respect he has the low shot pocket, starts the stroke on the rise and completes in one continuous motion. There is no hesitation and normally the ball is released before his apex. It's subtle but it is there.

Jump shooters begin their stroke at the apex of the jump. There is a slight hesitation at the apex then they begin the stroke. Anthony Brown and Fultz are good examples.

Was Kevin Martin a set shooter?


Yes
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:37 am    Post subject:

Imagine if Lonzo got really good. Like top ten player good.

Imagine how annoying LaVar would get then.

Imagine how many folks on LG would be constantly pissed off at LaVar.

Imagine.
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Yes

I think we have very different definitions of a set shot and a jump shot.

Does Brook Lopez shoot a jump shot?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:52 am    Post subject:

Laker Notes via HoopRumors.com
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(Lonzo)Ball received a platelet-rich plasma shot in his left knee last month and was cleared for basketball activities last week, Youngmisuk writes in a separate story.
Ball, who sat out the last eight games of the season with a knee contusion, called it a minor injury that didn’t require surgery.
The Lakers want Ball to increase his strength this summer and become less susceptible to injuries. “Just been in the weight room, trying to put on that weight,” he said.
“And on the court, a lot of ballhandling, a lot of shooting. I am trying to critique everything and fine tune and get ready for next year.”
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:57 am    Post subject:

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Yes

I think we have very different definitions of a set shot and a jump shot.

Does Brook Lopez shoot a jump shot?


No
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(Lonzo)Ball received a platelet-rich plasma shot in his left knee last month and was cleared for basketball activities last week, Youngmisuk writes in a separate story.
Ball, who sat out the last eight games of the season with a knee contusion, called it a minor injury that didn’t require surgery.
The Lakers want Ball to increase his strength this summer and become less susceptible to injuries. “Just been in the weight room, trying to put on that weight,” he said.
“And on the court, a lot of ballhandling, a lot of shooting. I am trying to critique everything and fine tune and get ready for next year.”


Eventually, he's probably going to need surgery.
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(Lonzo)Ball received a platelet-rich plasma shot in his left knee last month and was cleared for basketball activities last week, Youngmisuk writes in a separate story.
Ball, who sat out the last eight games of the season with a knee contusion, called it a minor injury that didn’t require surgery.
The Lakers want Ball to increase his strength this summer and become less susceptible to injuries. “Just been in the weight room, trying to put on that weight,” he said.
“And on the court, a lot of ballhandling, a lot of shooting. I am trying to critique everything and fine tune and get ready for next year.”


So this is at least his second PRP shot for that knee, no? That doesn't really instill a lot of confidence in his long term health....
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Injuries are my biggest concern with him.
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