Ingram and Kuzma reaching their potential? Or Kawhi returning back to pre-injury form and staying healthy long term?
Do I think Kawhi capable of sustaining his career averages of 16PPG 6 RPG and 2 APG.... yes.
Do I think of Ingram capable of improving on his 2nd year averages of 16 PPG
5 RPG and 4 APG... yes
Do I think of Kuzma capable of improving on his rookie averages of 16 PPG 6 RPG and 2 APG... yes.
Do I think Ingram and Kuzma capable of becoming defensive player of the years? Not likely
Do I think Kawhi capable of sustaining DPOY performances with a bad quad? less likely
Do I think BI and Kuzma are capable of narrowing the vast chasm between their defensive abilities and Kawhi's? Yes. Especially Ingram.
Do I think Kawhi will ultimately be able to replace the production of two eventual 20 PPG 8 RPG players? No.
This isn't trading Dave Meyers or Junior Bridgeman or Brian Winters for Kareem... Kareem was a 32 PPG 16 RPG type player when he was traded
This is trading 2 16 PPG players who will eventually be 20 PPG players for another player whose ceiling is 25... and average is 16.
They... are... already... more... productive... offensively... than Kawhi was at the same age.
And this is a best case scenario only losing two. We will probably lose Randle as well. And a draft pick who could be Mitchell Robinson or Anfernee Simons.
What the f are we doing people?
Completely agree the asking price is going to be way to high and who knows if that injury is going to be an ongoing situation On to the original plan pursue Lebron and PG and keeping ALL the young guns
Hopefully this is what Magic and Rob are thinking and plan on doing this summer.
I completely understand the allure of having the triple star LJ/LG/KL but like a number of people are saying, it will most likely take 2 of our promising youngsters, draft picks and Julius. Over the course of an 82 game season I am leaning towards having those young guys to lean on in the case of an injury to any of the hopefully newly signed FAs.
Depth has to be taken into consideration. BI and Kuz took over games at times this year.
What if we get the pipe in LJ and PG, keep our guys, let KL stay in SA or where he is traded to and see what unfolds next year. Gives us that additional year to gauge our youngsters and if KL still wants to come we have a year to see if he is health, then if I am not mistaken we could do a sign and trade with whatever team KL is on and would most likely leave (should he want LA).
If Kawhi's reasons for wanting out of San Antonio are genuine (closer to home, bigger market, lucrative endorsements, etc.), then Cleveland is not really a viable alternative.
Kellerman is awesome. He's a Lakers fan. He helps keep us relevant in the national media through years of suckage. He helps promote the Lakers brand worldwide and helps pick up new fans along the way. What more could you really ask for? He also loves and promotes LA constantly.
The more I think about it, the more I feel that we might have to be the ones who are patient on Kawhi. Many signs are pointing to the Spurs having no interest in trading enough. And if we did convince them, we'll probably have to give up Kuz, Ingram, Ball, Randle and Hart in one way or another. Whether it's to create more capspace by attaching them with Deng, to sweeten the Kawhi trade, letting Randle walk or making a trade for a serviceable vet just to make Lebron happy. And that's not even bringing Kawhi's health into the picture.
Kawhi is a top 3 player when healthy, but I'm starting to change my mind on him. I'm afraid that we'll be giving too much. We may win the Home Run Derby, but lose our swing along the way...
The more I think about it, the more I feel that we might have to be the ones who are patient on Kawhi. Many signs are pointing to the Spurs having no interest in trading enough. And if we did convince them, we'll probably have to give up Kuz, Ingram, Ball, Randle and Hart in one way or another. Whether it's to create more capspace by attaching them with Deng, to sweeten the Kawhi trade, letting Randle walk or making a trade for a serviceable vet just to make Lebron happy. And that's not even bringing Kawhi's health into the picture.
Kawhi is a top 3 player when healthy, but I'm starting to change my mind on him. I'm afraid that we'll be giving too much. We may win the Home Run Derby, but lose our swing along the way...
I think what happens is SA ends up selling low, sort of like Indy with PG (at that time, no one knew Oladipo was going to be this good). The worst case will be if Boston gives up very little because of KL lowering his price so much that Boston still has enough players to dominate or assets to try and trade for AD later.
The more I think about it, the more I feel that we might have to be the ones who are patient on Kawhi. Many signs are pointing to the Spurs having no interest in trading enough. And if we did convince them, we'll probably have to give up Kuz, Ingram, Ball, Randle and Hart in one way or another. Whether it's to create more capspace by attaching them with Deng, to sweeten the Kawhi trade, letting Randle walk or making a trade for a serviceable vet just to make Lebron happy. And that's not even bringing Kawhi's health into the picture.
Kawhi is a top 3 player when healthy, but I'm starting to change my mind on him. I'm afraid that we'll be giving too much. We may win the Home Run Derby, but lose our swing along the way...
Either Kawhi is healthy, or he's a lemon. There's no in between.
If he's a lemon, there's not going to be less buyer's remorse if we got him for less.
It's not like if we're able to get him for only Ingram and he turns out to be a lemon, we'd feel better about it because it ONLY cost us Ingram.
Either we're going to be happy w/ the Kawhi trade, or we're not. It really doesn't matter what we end up paying for him.
Case in pt: the Kyrie trade. Cle was kind of worried about Isaiah's hip so they haggled for extra compensation. Celtics drew a line in the sand. Eventually, Cle was able to get an extra 2nd rd pick out of it and they were happy.
They turned out to be right re: Isaiah's hip.
No one talks about that xtra 2nd rd pick they were able to get. In the end, it doesn't matter.
So whatever we end up paying for Kawhi, whether it be 1 prospect, 2 prospects, 3 prospects, whatever. It all boils down to whether he can return to form.
If he can't, whatever we paid for him will still be too much.
I always thought Kellerman was a carpetbagging Knicks fan.
Not this time around. Watch the 7 minute video I posted. Max Kellerman is extremely confident Kawhi is a Laker this season.
No reason for the Lakers not to at least put out a flyer and get a feel for the Kawhi situation. But I wouldn't hold my breath on San Antonio dealing with us in a smooth and sensible manner. I don't think Pop is too fond of the Lakers, not that I blame the old sucker. He's no-nonsense and I'm sure he's fairly dogmatic when it comes to his principles re: dealing with old rivals.
I always thought Kellerman was a carpetbagging Knicks fan.
Not this time around. Watch the 7 minute video I posted. Max Kellerman is extremely confident Kawhi is a Laker this season.
Wanting Kawhi to come to us (depending on how many assets are sacrificed) does not necessarily mean you have our best interests at heart.
I think he has some feeling for the Lakers but he was born in NYC... went to Columbia... a Knicks fan through and through.
He has said on several occasions he gave up on the Knicks and is now a Lakers fan. I believe in an interview with Magic last off season he was saying "we" when referring to the Lakers. Also, he's been trying to get back to LA again, saying if Lebron comes to LA, they should move First Take to LA. But yes, he was a Knicks fans many years before moving to LA for the Max & Marcellus show.
I always thought Kellerman was a carpetbagging Knicks fan.
Not this time around. Watch the 7 minute video I posted. Max Kellerman is extremely confident Kawhi is a Laker this season.
Wanting Kawhi to come to us (depending on how many assets are sacrificed) does not necessarily mean you have our best interests at heart.
I think he has some feeling for the Lakers but he was born in NYC... went to Columbia... a Knicks fan through and through.
He has said on several occasions he gave up on the Knicks and is now a Lakers fan. I believe in an interview with Magic last off season he was saying "we" when referring to the Lakers. Also, he's been trying to get back to LA again, saying if Lebron comes to LA, they should move First Take to LA. But yes, he was a Knicks fans many years before moving to LA for the Max & Marcellus show.
I did not know that... that's a pretty strong statement for a New Yorker to make. Then again, if Dolan sells the team... goodbye Lakers...lol
BTW, between the four conference final teams, Gerald Green was the only "vet minimum" guy. So i'm not sure the "vet min ring chaser" market is as robust as we'd like to imagine it.
The vet min for David West isn't 800 K, it's 1.4 million. Javele McGee made that amount, as well as LMAM. Derrick Rose and Jeff Green also made that amount for the Cavs.
GOod to know. All the salary cap projections I've seen have slots for 800k. So how 1.4 mil guys affect that situation?
The $8XX,XXX shown for a minimum salary is for an incomplete roster charge. The CBA has the minimum salary for a first year player as the amount to be used.
The basic rule of the NBA's salary cap is that a team can't sign a player or make a trade that leaves the team's team salary above the cap, unless the team is using an exception. In a system with a soft cap, exceptions are the mechanisms that allow teams to function while above the cap. Some exceptions are available only for making trades, and are described in detail starting in question number 84. The exceptions available for signing players are as follows1:
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MINIMUM PLAYER SALARY EXCEPTION -- Teams can offer players minimum salary contracts even if they are over the cap. Contracts can be up to two years in length. In a two-year contract, the salary in the second year is specified in the minimum salary scale in effect when the contract was signed (see question number 22). The contract may not contain a bonus of any kind. This exception can also be used to acquire minimum salary players via trade. There is no limit to the number of players that can be signed or acquired using this exception.
This exception begins to reduce in value after the first day of the season. For example, if there are 177 days in the season, then this exception reduces in value by 1/177 of its initial value each day. So if a team signs a minimum salary player 90 days into the season, it can pay the player only 87/177 of the minimum salary.
See question number 88 for more information on how minimum salary players are handled in trade.
I always thought Kellerman was a carpetbagging Knicks fan.
Not this time around. Watch the 7 minute video I posted. Max Kellerman is extremely confident Kawhi is a Laker this season.
Wanting Kawhi to come to us (depending on how many assets are sacrificed) does not necessarily mean you have our best interests at heart.
I think he has some feeling for the Lakers but he was born in NYC... went to Columbia... a Knicks fan through and through.
He has said on several occasions he gave up on the Knicks and is now a Lakers fan. I believe in an interview with Magic last off season he was saying "we" when referring to the Lakers. Also, he's been trying to get back to LA again, saying if Lebron comes to LA, they should move First Take to LA. But yes, he was a Knicks fans many years before moving to LA for the Max & Marcellus show.
I did not know that... that's a pretty strong statement for a New Yorker to make. Then again, if Dolan sells the team... goodbye Lakers...lol
I feel like Max just enjoys great/dominant teams. He's a big proponent of super teams/dynasties, like the Yankees, Patriots, Lakers, Warriors, etc. He's also lauded LeBron's reign of dominance as a player, and is big on historical tidbits, top 10 lists, and the like. He's a sucker for the "Ali/Frazier" narrative. I'd say the guy is fairly consistent when it comes to his ethos as a sports fan, which I respect, even though I might disagree occasionally.
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I always thought Kellerman was a carpetbagging Knicks fan.
Not this time around. Watch the 7 minute video I posted. Max Kellerman is extremely confident Kawhi is a Laker this season.
Wanting Kawhi to come to us (depending on how many assets are sacrificed) does not necessarily mean you have our best interests at heart.
I think he has some feeling for the Lakers but he was born in NYC... went to Columbia... a Knicks fan through and through.
Which shows that he’s not being biased for saying Kawhi is going to the lakers. If he’s a knicks fan he’s giving a solid opinion regarding it. Unlike a Ramona or any other LA local reporter who says what us Laker fans want to hear. I would take Max Kellermans opinion and inside info over a few of these Dunder heads we have out in LA. Because his opinion isn’t biased by not even being a Laker fan.
And what do you mean I don’t have the Lakers best interest at heart? The lakers haven’t made the playoffs in 5 years. Getting Kawhi and PG and Lebron immediately changes that and makes the team a contender. At the end of the day Lakers are known for winning. Not sucking for 5+ years while developing talent. It’s called showtime for a reason buddy.
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