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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:56 pm    Post subject:

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KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt.
i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved

And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space?
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lakersfan8 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt.
i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved

And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space?


I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:21 pm    Post subject:

How would you guys feel about KCP as backup SF for BI or Leonard and starting Hart? (Stevenson can play backup PG and SG).

I don't know, seems like Hart is higher IQ and higher ceiling than KCP...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:31 pm    Post subject:

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How would you guys feel about KCP as backup SF for BI or Leonard and starting Hart? (Stevenson can play backup PG and SG).

I don't know, seems like Hart is higher IQ and higher ceiling than KCP...


it will all work itself out by the playoffs
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:44 pm    Post subject:

24Legend007 wrote:
lakersfan8 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt.
i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved

And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space?


I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy.


The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't.
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greenfrog wrote:
24Legend007 wrote:
lakersfan8 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt.
i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved

And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space?


I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy.


The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't.

How about a player who can play the center position and also have the speed to defend PG? I would say that is equally important.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:57 am    Post subject:

lakersfan8 wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
24Legend007 wrote:
lakersfan8 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt.
i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved

And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space?


I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy.


The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't.

How about a player who can play the center position and also have the speed to defend PG? I would say that is equally important.


Is there a law they have to switch so much?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:58 am    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
24Legend007 wrote:
lakersfan8 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt.
i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved

And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space?


I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy.


The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't.



I'll take the Center that can switch onto guards, guard bigs in the post and still finish at an elite clip in the restricted area.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:00 am    Post subject:

LakersRGolden wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
24Legend007 wrote:
lakersfan8 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt.
i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved

And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space?


I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy.


The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't.



I'll take the Center that can switch onto guards, guard bigs in the post and still finish at an elite clip in the restricted area.


In small ball lineups I wouldn't be surprised to see that being Lebron.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:00 am    Post subject:

We overpaid KCP so that he'd be off the books next year instead of underpaying him and signing him for multiple ones
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:02 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
We overpaid KCP so that he'd be off the books next year instead of underpaying him and signing him for multiple ones


Overpaid ? 12M$ seems like a fair deal no ?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:20 am    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
lakersfan8 wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
24Legend007 wrote:
lakersfan8 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt.
i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved

And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space?


I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy.


The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't.

How about a player who can play the center position and also have the speed to defend PG? I would say that is equally important.


Is there a law they have to switch so much?

No but that’s the trend of nowadays basketball especially when you want to stop a sharp shooter like Curry, and that’s what Luke likes to do. This is like asking is there a law that teams have to shoot 3 points? These are the keys to make you a good yean
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:20 am    Post subject:

lakersfan8 wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
lakersfan8 wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
24Legend007 wrote:
lakersfan8 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt.
i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved

And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space?


I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy.


The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't.

How about a player who can play the center position and also have the speed to defend PG? I would say that is equally important.


Is there a law they have to switch so much?

No but that’s the trend of nowadays basketball especially when you want to stop a sharp shooter like Curry, and that’s what Luke likes to do. This is like asking is there a law that teams have to shoot 3 points? These are the keys to make you a good yean


FWIW, here's where we ranked defensively on the ball handler last season.

http://stats.nba.com/teams/ball-handler/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals&OD=defensive&sort=PPP&dir=-1

Maybe it's not the best strategy for us (need second spectrum data to say for sure).


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:32 am    Post subject:

Don't have to worry about jail time this year either
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:47 am    Post subject:

If he plays like he did after his legal issues were resolved, he will be a STEAL.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:44 am    Post subject:

good that its 1 year

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:01 am    Post subject:

Lol we gave KCP 30M over 2 years. I can see why Julius is mad if the reports are true.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:32 am    Post subject:

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Lol we gave KCP 30M over 2 years. I can see why Julius is mad is the reports are true.


Ironically while KCP is the new JR Smith... clutch sports could use a hollywood TT... Jules should ditch Mintz today
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:36 am    Post subject:

Everyone talking about KCP being overpaid (he is), do you not realize KCP was a package deal with Lebron? We signed him last year to gain a relationship with Rich Paul (KCP and Lebron's agent). Money well spent I'd say.

KCP is part of the Lebron deal. That's why he got $12mill. We should be ecstatic we oly gave him a 1 year deal and he didn't get a 4 year deal like Lebron's buddies in Cleveland (JR, Tristan, etc.). More than worth it and brilliant move by the FO. That's how you tamper.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:37 am    Post subject:

We may have single-handedly saved KCP's career. 30 mill over two years and a big payday after playing with Lebron. This is after turning down 5 years 80 mill

Say what you will about his agent, he got us Lebron
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:10 am    Post subject:

Can he come off the bench?

I kinda like to see both Ingram and Kuzma starting with LeBron.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject:

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Can he come off the bench?

I kinda like to see both Ingram and Kuzma starting with LeBron.


I can't imagine he'll start unless LeBron is OK with starting at the 4, but I think LeBron will want to start at the 3 for at least another season or 2. Right now, we're looking at Lance, KCP and Hart as the 1-3 off our bench. Lots of interchangeability on defense with those 3.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:24 am    Post subject:

More I think about it the more I'm happy we resigned this guy.

He was a real pro last year, no bs just work hard, and actually showed a lot of unexpected improvement over his previous years.

A lot of people are looking at him as a finished product, but he's almost as young as the rest of our core (25 years old) and getting better each year too. He's gonna be our primary three point option.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject:

Not happy he is coming back but at least it is only a 1 year deal. Surely an overpay, but sounds like it made his agent happy, business I guess.

Hopefully KCP will be more focused on playing within the offense this year and not gambling so much on D.
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