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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Halflife wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt. | i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved |
And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space? |
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24Legend007 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfan8 wrote: | Halflife wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt. | i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved |
And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space? |
I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy. |
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Hellspawn Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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How would you guys feel about KCP as backup SF for BI or Leonard and starting Hart? (Stevenson can play backup PG and SG).
I don't know, seems like Hart is higher IQ and higher ceiling than KCP... |
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VicXLakers Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hellspawn wrote: | How would you guys feel about KCP as backup SF for BI or Leonard and starting Hart? (Stevenson can play backup PG and SG).
I don't know, seems like Hart is higher IQ and higher ceiling than KCP... |
it will all work itself out by the playoffs |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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24Legend007 wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Halflife wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt. | i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved |
And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space? |
I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy. |
The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't. |
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:53 am Post subject: |
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greenfrog wrote: | 24Legend007 wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Halflife wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt. | i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved |
And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space? |
I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy. |
The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't. |
How about a player who can play the center position and also have the speed to defend PG? I would say that is equally important. |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:57 am Post subject: |
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lakersfan8 wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | 24Legend007 wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Halflife wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt. | i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved |
And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space? |
I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy. |
The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't. |
How about a player who can play the center position and also have the speed to defend PG? I would say that is equally important. |
Is there a law they have to switch so much? |
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LakersRGolden Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:58 am Post subject: |
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greenfrog wrote: | 24Legend007 wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Halflife wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt. | i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved |
And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space? |
I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy. |
The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't. |
I'll take the Center that can switch onto guards, guard bigs in the post and still finish at an elite clip in the restricted area. |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:00 am Post subject: |
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LakersRGolden wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | 24Legend007 wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Halflife wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt. | i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved |
And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space? |
I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy. |
The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't. |
I'll take the Center that can switch onto guards, guard bigs in the post and still finish at an elite clip in the restricted area. |
In small ball lineups I wouldn't be surprised to see that being Lebron. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:00 am Post subject: |
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We overpaid KCP so that he'd be off the books next year instead of underpaying him and signing him for multiple ones _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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durden-tyler Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:02 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | We overpaid KCP so that he'd be off the books next year instead of underpaying him and signing him for multiple ones |
Overpaid ? 12M$ seems like a fair deal no ? |
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:20 am Post subject: |
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greenfrog wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | 24Legend007 wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Halflife wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt. | i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved |
And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space? |
I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy. |
The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't. |
How about a player who can play the center position and also have the speed to defend PG? I would say that is equally important. |
Is there a law they have to switch so much? |
No but that’s the trend of nowadays basketball especially when you want to stop a sharp shooter like Curry, and that’s what Luke likes to do. This is like asking is there a law that teams have to shoot 3 points? These are the keys to make you a good yean |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:20 am Post subject: |
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lakersfan8 wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | 24Legend007 wrote: | lakersfan8 wrote: | Halflife wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KCP is worth 12m on a one year deal. He and Lonzo form a good defensive backcourt. | i agree, don’t understand hate. Our defense last year compared to prior was much improved |
And if this signing means we have to let go of Randle, is that still a good deal? We are still pursuing other free agents such as Cousins. Where do we create that cap space? |
I would say yes. Lebron is going to x out alot of what Randle does anyway. Lbj at this age needs good wing defenders around him so he can spy. |
The 6'9" player logjam from the start of last season is a bizarre experiment to want to repeat. We need off-the-ball centers would can rim protect and/or spot up shoot, or guards who can shoot off screens. KCP checks one of those boxes. Randle doesn't. |
How about a player who can play the center position and also have the speed to defend PG? I would say that is equally important. |
Is there a law they have to switch so much? |
No but that’s the trend of nowadays basketball especially when you want to stop a sharp shooter like Curry, and that’s what Luke likes to do. This is like asking is there a law that teams have to shoot 3 points? These are the keys to make you a good yean |
FWIW, here's where we ranked defensively on the ball handler last season.
http://stats.nba.com/teams/ball-handler/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals&OD=defensive&sort=PPP&dir=-1
Maybe it's not the best strategy for us (need second spectrum data to say for sure).
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MickMgl Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:29 am Post subject: |
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JPaulK0n wrote: | Rich Paul effect is real. |
No shet! |
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trablos Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Don't have to worry about jail time this year either |
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RI Laker Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:47 am Post subject: |
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If he plays like he did after his legal issues were resolved, he will be a STEAL. |
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GOODRICH25 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:44 am Post subject: |
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good that its 1 year
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lonzobryant Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Lol we gave KCP 30M over 2 years. I can see why Julius is mad if the reports are true.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:32 am Post subject: |
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lonzobryant wrote: | Lol we gave KCP 30M over 2 years. I can see why Julius is mad is the reports are true. |
Ironically while KCP is the new JR Smith... clutch sports could use a hollywood TT... Jules should ditch Mintz today _________________ How can I get a copy of a Laker game played on Sunday, March 11, 2001 Sonics/Lakers? If you know PM me please
I would be willing to pay you for it. |
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The Lebrons Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Everyone talking about KCP being overpaid (he is), do you not realize KCP was a package deal with Lebron? We signed him last year to gain a relationship with Rich Paul (KCP and Lebron's agent). Money well spent I'd say.
KCP is part of the Lebron deal. That's why he got $12mill. We should be ecstatic we oly gave him a 1 year deal and he didn't get a 4 year deal like Lebron's buddies in Cleveland (JR, Tristan, etc.). More than worth it and brilliant move by the FO. That's how you tamper. |
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chantruong Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:37 am Post subject: |
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We may have single-handedly saved KCP's career. 30 mill over two years and a big payday after playing with Lebron. This is after turning down 5 years 80 mill
Say what you will about his agent, he got us Lebron |
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Can he come off the bench?
I kinda like to see both Ingram and Kuzma starting with LeBron. _________________ Tacos |
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RCS926 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Can he come off the bench?
I kinda like to see both Ingram and Kuzma starting with LeBron. |
I can't imagine he'll start unless LeBron is OK with starting at the 4, but I think LeBron will want to start at the 3 for at least another season or 2. Right now, we're looking at Lance, KCP and Hart as the 1-3 off our bench. Lots of interchangeability on defense with those 3. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:24 am Post subject: |
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More I think about it the more I'm happy we resigned this guy.
He was a real pro last year, no bs just work hard, and actually showed a lot of unexpected improvement over his previous years.
A lot of people are looking at him as a finished product, but he's almost as young as the rest of our core (25 years old) and getting better each year too. He's gonna be our primary three point option. _________________ Kobe |
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Dr. Funkbot Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Not happy he is coming back but at least it is only a 1 year deal. Surely an overpay, but sounds like it made his agent happy, business I guess.
Hopefully KCP will be more focused on playing within the offense this year and not gambling so much on D. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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