Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 33474 Location: Long Beach, California
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:49 pm Post subject: Damian Lillard to the Lakers? (Lillard Rumors, p. 1)
Just creating this thread because its coming up too often to just keep merging into the FA thread. Coming off Lillard's tweet the other day, lots of Lillard talk out there (although nothing of substance really sourced yet). Here's the latest talk -
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The Math: Without Trading the Entire Team (Except Lebron), Can't Trade for Lillard & Sign Kawhi to Full Max Deal in Summer 2019
The only way to trade for Lillard, while preserving a max slot for Kawhi in the summer of 2019, is where the Lakers dump every single player they have on contract in 2019-2020 other than Lebron - the trade for Lillard would have to be Deng/Ingram/Ball/Wagner/Kuz/Hart and our 2019 1st round pick.
In a scenario where we trade Ingram/Ball for Lillard, even if we manage to dump Deng (as part of that deal or another one) without any salary coming back, we are still going to be about $2.4m short of being able to offer Kawhi (or any other 7-9 year player) a max deal. If we can't dump Deng, we're $8.6m away from being able to offer that third star a max contract. Because Ingram and Ball make more money than Kuz, Hart or Wagner, it only gets more complicated and less likely if both Ingram/Ball aren't sent off.
Here is the bottom line - the only way to trade for Lillard while giving a max deal to Kawhi and keeping any of our young guys is to trade for Lillard AFTER we sign Kawhi and fill the roster with some other players to use as salary ballast in a pre-2020 trade deadline trade after December 12, 2019. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Blazers dont like us either. Would they even be willing to trade him to us? Or they just gonna be like the Spurs and ask for unrealistic returns? _________________ "I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber." -Kobe
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:59 pm Post subject:
it is one or the other....trade for Lillard, and no money for Kawhi. Even if you stripped the roster clean of just Lebron, Lillard and Kawhi next year with empty roster holds.....they would take the entire cap....the rest of the roster would be a MLE and minimums. Have to shed Ball, Ingram, Kuz, Hart, Deng and Wagner.
Blazers dont like us either. Would they even be willing to trade him to us? Or they just gonna be like the Spurs and ask for unrealistic returns?
I've been saying for a few days that Spurs may send Leonard to the Clips just to spite us, even if they don't have the assets to get him. I mean, if KL is walking next summer anyway, they don't have much to lose (other than their star player).
Portland, eh, I know they don't like us, but I feel like we'd have a better chance trading with them then we do SA. Especially if the offer is Ingram and Ball. That's about as good as they're going to get for Lillard.
Which leads me to, if Ball and Ingram are on the table, have we entertained that offer to SA? Or are they asking for more?
If Leonard ends up with the Clippers, I fear he may end up signing long term figuring it's still LA, why not.
Which doesn't mean we don't have options. KD, Klay, Jimmy Butler, all FA's next summer, assuming we don't make any trades this season. _________________ I miss you Kobe. I miss you Gigi.
it is one or the other....trade for Lillard, and no money for Kawhi. Even if you stripped the roster clean of just Lebron, Lillard and Kawhi next year with empty roster holds.....they would take the entire cap....the rest of the roster would be a MLE and minimums. Have to shed Ball, Ingram, Kuz, Hart, Deng and Wagner.
TRUE. So what about ingram + ball for lillard and get kawhi in FA?
Lebron said
"Give me damian lillard and ill show you how underappreciated he is"
I’d take BI + a health Lilliard over a question mark (health-wise) KL any day. Likely we would not include BI in a Lillard trade, Lonzo will be the center piece.
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:05 pm Post subject:
watchME wrote:
adkindo wrote:
it is one or the other....trade for Lillard, and no money for Kawhi. Even if you stripped the roster clean of just Lebron, Lillard and Kawhi next year with empty roster holds.....they would take the entire cap....the rest of the roster would be a MLE and minimums. Have to shed Ball, Ingram, Kuz, Hart, Deng and Wagner.
TRUE. So what about ingram + ball for lillard and get kawhi in FA?
Lebron said
"Give me damian lillard and ill show you how underappreciated he is"
would not have the cap space to sign him to a max deal unless we traded everything except Lebron and Lillard. Maybe he takes a small discount to keep Kuzma or something. Seems extremely far fetched.
I called for lillard 1st. I said it. This is the list of players who can compete vs GSW other than bron.
1) Kawhi
2) Davis
3) Irving
4) Harden
5) Lillard
THATS IT.
Someone called me optimistic for predicting this will be our line up
PG.lillard
SG.PG13
SF.Kawhi
PF.Kuzma
C.Randle
Well guess what...we are not far off.
If we get kawhi for ingram, hart and save some picks to add to ball we can get lillard.
Lillard
Kawhi
LBJ
Kuzma
Mcgee
SICK!
You forgot Giannis and perhaps even Embiid. _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts!
Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 33474 Location: Long Beach, California
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:10 pm Post subject:
adkindo wrote:
it is one or the other....trade for Lillard, and no money for Kawhi. Even if you stripped the roster clean of just Lebron, Lillard and Kawhi next year with empty roster holds.....they would take the entire cap....the rest of the roster would be a MLE and minimums. Have to shed Ball, Ingram, Kuz, Hart, Deng and Wagner.
Well, technically we could. We'd just have to dump every single player we have on contract in 2019-2020 other than Lebron to get Lillard - the trade would have to be Deng/Ingram/Ball/Wagner/Kuz/Hart and our 2019 1st round pick.
I called for lillard 1st. I said it. This is the list of players who can compete vs GSW other than bron.
1) Kawhi
2) Davis
3) Irving
4) Harden
5) Lillard
THATS IT.
Someone called me optimistic for predicting this will be our line up
PG.lillard
SG.PG13
SF.Kawhi
PF.Kuzma
C.Randle
Well guess what...we are not far off.
If we get kawhi for ingram, hart and save some picks to add to ball we can get lillard.
Lillard
Kawhi
LBJ
Kuzma
Mcgee
SICK!
You forgot Giannis and perhaps even Embiid.
I didn't forget them. I don't think a team with a center who needs the ball can ever become as fluid as the warriors. And Giannis doesn't have the off-ball ability needed to run a fluid modern offense. We are trying to build on offensive fluidity and speed and shooting.
I didn't forget them. I don't think a team with a center who needs the ball can ever become as fluid as the warriors. And Giannis doesn't have the off-ball ability needed to run a fluid modern offense. We are trying to build on offensive fluidity and speed and shooting.
Are you trying to emulate the Warriors or beat them? _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts!
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