he did well in games 2nd half of the season where he got some minutes
14 and 9 in 19 minutes against Minnesota where he played again Giorgi Jeng and KAT ...>
If the warriors started Zaza at one point, then we can start Zubac and give him 22-27 minutes a game and Mcgee 12-17 minutes with Wagner (if not in G league) about 8-10 minutes;
while running smaller line ups with Lebron, Ingram, Kuz as center
It remains to be seen whether or not they exercised Zubac’s option because they see him as part of the future and intend to play him. emplay seemed to indicate that picking up his option saved them money and they can use him as a trade chip. If that was their intention it makes a lot more sense than Luke and the FO being convinced that he makes the most sense as starting C next year when the goal is to win a championship. If the team goes into the season without upgrading the C spot, McGee is definitely the one who's primed to start. He protects the rim, is a lob threat, and runs the floor extremely well. Based off of what we've heard it almost sounds like they want to play even faster next season. If they signed McGee with that in mind, it makes some sense that he was brought in to start. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
Although weird there's no "real" starting Center, I guess they're keeping this room exception to outbid other teams when buyout veterans start to trickle down.
Example: the Suns are 18-32, Ariza requests a buyout to go to a playoff team, has to choose between a minimum on Houston or a Room Exception on the Lakers. It wasn't even used last year but I'd imagine LAL would want to bump up their playoff squad.
How about Deng and Zu for Whiteside? Deng had his last good year in Miami and Whiteside is probably worth the $7mm difference between his and Deng's salary for this year (plus the cost of losing Zu). Also, Whiteside will probably be a more sought after contract next summer than Deng. He will still cost a bit more but at least he can be a productive role player, but Deng not so much.
Whiteside is terrible. If we are spending cap space (other than 1 year rentals) on non-max players, we are doing it wrong. They didn't shed draft picks and former players to sign Whiteside dude.
It's not "signing" Whiteseide. It's leveraging Deng's 18 million for this year to get Whiteside for about 25 million. The difference in salaries might be worth the difference in production. Or it might not. That's why I'm proposing it as a suggestion. Also, if Whiteside does indeed have a good year then unloading him next summer may be more practical than unloading Deng next summer.
You want to get rid of Deng's contract not essentially make it longer for a 2 year player.
Haven't you been paying attention to free agency this year? Non-stars are not commanding those kind of contracts anymore. That would be an incredibly terrible decision to trade Deng for Whiteside. The difference between salaries is NOT worth the difference in production.
Why do you want to make signing a potential free agent next year HARDER?
What if magic plans on using lebron in that Julius Randle role. Lebron as the small ball 5 would change the game. I think you are forced to go small and match up with him.
Lebron
Kuzma
Ingram
KCP
Lonzo
Lebron + Lonzo PnR
Lebron + Kuzma PnR
Lebron running the PnR from the 5
We could force teams to play our way if lebron is ok with it.
Teams with players like embiid would be pissed. You can’t hide embiid anywhere defensively against that lineup. No matter what he’s out of the paint
A lot of his defensive highlights are in the paint
No way they start games with that lineup against teams that start a C with traditional size. They'd practically be begging him to wear himself out and get injured. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
Although weird there's no "real" starting Center, I guess they're keeping this room exception to outbid other teams when buyout veterans start to trickle down.
Example: the Suns are 18-32, Ariza requests a buyout to go to a playoff team, has to choose between a minimum on Houston or a Room Exception on the Lakers. It wasn't even used last year but I'd imagine LAL would want to bump up their playoff squad.
It feels like the Lakers are still thin up front, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them stand pat and not fill that 15th roster spot. Perhaps they give it to a camp invite, who can be cut later if there's a vet they want to pick up mid-season.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:34 am Post subject:
Rubin wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
rancar wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
We could have signed Randle for the same deal that NO did but decided to punt to next season. Enjoy this make shift team, it won’t be around past this season.
Wait a minutes...you're giving up on the Lakers because they didn't resign Julius Randle? Come on man...
I’m giving up on the idea that other moves will be made. This is likely our team for the season. Randle will be fine, he went to a top 3-4 West team and can get paid next offseason. We need to forget about him and think about what Stephenson, Rondo and McGee can give us.
You really project the Pels as a top 3-4 West team? You might be more bullish on them than even the biggest NO homers. They effectively replaced Rondo and Cousins with Payton and Randle. Seems lateral at best even with Boogie’s injury.
I would pretty confidently put them behind Warriors, Rockets, Lakers, Jazz and Thunder.
They went to the West semis with no Cousins. So basically they replaced Rondo with Randle and Payton. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
We could have signed Randle for the same deal that NO did but decided to punt to next season. Enjoy this make shift team, it won’t be around past this season.
Wait a minutes...you're giving up on the Lakers because they didn't resign Julius Randle? Come on man...
I’m giving up on the idea that other moves will be made. This is likely our team for the season. Randle will be fine, he went to a top 3-4 West team and can get paid next offseason. We need to forget about him and think about what Stephenson, Rondo and McGee can give us.
You really project the Pels as a top 3-4 West team? You might be more bullish on them than even the biggest NO homers. They effectively replaced Rondo and Cousins with Payton and Randle. Seems lateral at best even with Boogie’s injury.
I would pretty confidently put them behind Warriors, Rockets, Lakers, Jazz and Thunder.
They went to the West semis with no Cousins. So basically they replaced Rondo with Randle and Payton.
Bet on it: pelicans will be a top 3/4 team next year?
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:37 am Post subject:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Rubin wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
rancar wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
We could have signed Randle for the same deal that NO did but decided to punt to next season. Enjoy this make shift team, it won’t be around past this season.
Wait a minutes...you're giving up on the Lakers because they didn't resign Julius Randle? Come on man...
I’m giving up on the idea that other moves will be made. This is likely our team for the season. Randle will be fine, he went to a top 3-4 West team and can get paid next offseason. We need to forget about him and think about what Stephenson, Rondo and McGee can give us.
You really project the Pels as a top 3-4 West team? You might be more bullish on them than even the biggest NO homers. They effectively replaced Rondo and Cousins with Payton and Randle. Seems lateral at best even with Boogie’s injury.
I would pretty confidently put them behind Warriors, Rockets, Lakers, Jazz and Thunder.
They went to the West semis with no Cousins. So basically they replaced Rondo with Randle and Payton.
New Orleans project to be in play for home court in the 1st round....they are one of a bunch of teams grouped together after GSW.
How about Deng and Zu for Whiteside? Deng had his last good year in Miami and Whiteside is probably worth the $7mm difference between his and Deng's salary for this year (plus the cost of losing Zu). Also, Whiteside will probably be a more sought after contract next summer than Deng. He will still cost a bit more but at least he can be a productive role player, but Deng not so much.
Whiteside is terrible. If we are spending cap space (other than 1 year rentals) on non-max players, we are doing it wrong. They didn't shed draft picks and former players to sign Whiteside dude.
It's not "signing" Whiteseide. It's leveraging Deng's 18 million for this year to get Whiteside for about 25 million. The difference in salaries might be worth the difference in production. Or it might not. That's why I'm proposing it as a suggestion. Also, if Whiteside does indeed have a good year then unloading him next summer may be more practical than unloading Deng next summer.
You want to get rid of Deng's contract not essentially make it longer for a 2 year player.
Haven't you been paying attention to free agency this year? Non-stars are not commanding those kind of contracts anymore. That would be an incredibly terrible decision to trade Deng for Whiteside. The difference between salaries is NOT worth the difference in production.
Why do you want to make signing a potential free agent next year HARDER?
Is it absolutely easier to unload Deng's $18.8mm rather than Whiteside's $27mm??
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:38 am Post subject:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Rubin wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
rancar wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
We could have signed Randle for the same deal that NO did but decided to punt to next season. Enjoy this make shift team, it won’t be around past this season.
Wait a minutes...you're giving up on the Lakers because they didn't resign Julius Randle? Come on man...
I’m giving up on the idea that other moves will be made. This is likely our team for the season. Randle will be fine, he went to a top 3-4 West team and can get paid next offseason. We need to forget about him and think about what Stephenson, Rondo and McGee can give us.
You really project the Pels as a top 3-4 West team? You might be more bullish on them than even the biggest NO homers. They effectively replaced Rondo and Cousins with Payton and Randle. Seems lateral at best even with Boogie’s injury.
I would pretty confidently put them behind Warriors, Rockets, Lakers, Jazz and Thunder.
They went to the West semis with no Cousins. So basically they replaced Rondo with Randle and Payton.
Bet on it: pelicans will be a top 3/4 team next year?
U leave the forum if they are not? Vice versa
you watched too much wrestling in the 80's didn't you? the classic "loser leaves town" match. (then shows up two weeks later as a different character)
We could have signed Randle for the same deal that NO did but decided to punt to next season. Enjoy this make shift team, it won’t be around past this season.
Wait a minutes...you're giving up on the Lakers because they didn't resign Julius Randle? Come on man...
I’m giving up on the idea that other moves will be made. This is likely our team for the season. Randle will be fine, he went to a top 3-4 West team and can get paid next offseason. We need to forget about him and think about what Stephenson, Rondo and McGee can give us.
You really project the Pels as a top 3-4 West team? You might be more bullish on them than even the biggest NO homers. They effectively replaced Rondo and Cousins with Payton and Randle. Seems lateral at best even with Boogie’s injury.
I would pretty confidently put them behind Warriors, Rockets, Lakers, Jazz and Thunder.
They went to the West semis with no Cousins. So basically they replaced Rondo with Randle and Payton.
Bet on it: pelicans will be a top 3/4 team next year?
U leave the forum if they are not? Vice versa
you watched too much wrestling in the 80's didn't you? the classic "loser leaves town" match. (then shows up two weeks later as a different character)
Hmm. Bobby says that Lakers are using cap space for Lance.
So we have the Room exception left.
Is there any significance to that?
Means that we don't have any cap space left. Don't expect a stretch and trade - Deng needs to be included now if we're getting KL. _________________ #countonkobe
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144462 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:44 am Post subject:
RCS926 wrote:
cyborgspider wrote:
Although weird there's no "real" starting Center, I guess they're keeping this room exception to outbid other teams when buyout veterans start to trickle down.
Example: the Suns are 18-32, Ariza requests a buyout to go to a playoff team, has to choose between a minimum on Houston or a Room Exception on the Lakers. It wasn't even used last year but I'd imagine LAL would want to bump up their playoff squad.
It feels like the Lakers are still thin up front, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them stand pat and not fill that 15th roster spot. Perhaps they give it to a camp invite, who can be cut later if there's a vet they want to pick up mid-season.
Especially when they have said it’s a 2 year plan _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Although weird there's no "real" starting Center, I guess they're keeping this room exception to outbid other teams when buyout veterans start to trickle down.
Example: the Suns are 18-32, Ariza requests a buyout to go to a playoff team, has to choose between a minimum on Houston or a Room Exception on the Lakers. It wasn't even used last year but I'd imagine LAL would want to bump up their playoff squad.
It feels like the Lakers are still thin up front, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them stand pat and not fill that 15th roster spot. Perhaps they give it to a camp invite, who can be cut later if there's a vet they want to pick up mid-season.
I'm thinking it's flexibility all the way around. Perhaps trade for someone and have to take another player back (bad 1 year contract for draft pick perhaps).
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