NBA ceilings of Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Wagner and Svi
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:11 am    Post subject:

Ball: Longer Kidd

Ingram: Longer Drexler

Kuzma: Toni Kukoc

Hart: Better shooter and less defender of Bruce Bowen

Moe: less defender of Rasheed Wallace

Svi: Steve Kerr
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:14 am    Post subject:

Ceiling: Kuz - higher scoring version of Horry

Jason Kidd for ball
Scola for Wagner
Ingram could be Kawaii lite
Hart - John Starks
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:10 am    Post subject:

Ball: Jason Kidd
Ingram: (Detlef Schrempf comparison, but ceiling is higher)
Kuzma: Carmelo Anthony
Hart: ?? (still trying to figure it out)
Moe: (Nick Collison comparison plus range, but ceiling is higher)
Svi: Drazen Petrovic
Zubac: Marc Gasol
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:31 am    Post subject:

Ball: Jason Kidd
Ingram: Combo of Giannis and Kukoc so Giannkoc
Kuzma: taller Klay
Hart: Jerome Kersey with 3 pt range
Moe: Dirk
Svi: Peja
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:33 am    Post subject:

markjay wrote:
Lonzo-Kidd
Hart-Jimmy Butler
Ingram-Kawhi
Kuzma-Jayson Tatum
Zubac-Marc Gasol
Svi-Peja
Moe-KAT


I agree with only one of these ceilings and it's the most outrageous one posted
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:17 pm    Post subject: Highest potential game look-alike

Ingram ... Tracy McGrady
Ball ... Brian Shaw
Kuzma ... Sean Elliot
Hart ... Gerald Green
Wagner ... Ryan Anderson
Svi ... must see more before making a guess
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject:

Ingram: Igoudala with a jumper. B roy at 6’9
Kuzma: Antwan + Rashard Lewis with more speed
Hart: Aflalo
Lonzo: Ricky Rubio
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:01 pm    Post subject:

Ingram: Less explosive Giannis and a better version of Tayshaun Prince
Kuzma: Hybrid between Rashard Lewis and Klay (without the defense)
Lonzo: JKidd
Hart: Prime Ron Artest, but a little more athletic
Wagner: Brook Lopez
Svi: Better version sasha vujacic
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject:

Ingram - Pippen
Kuzma - Melo
Ball - Kidd
Hart - Beal
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject:

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Upside/comparisons might be too different things. But, if you are talking upside then..

Ingram-Jimmy Butler (Butler is a 20-6-5 player at this stage of his career. I think Ingram had the tools to do that. BI needs to work on his defense and free throw shooting though. Until then, I would compare him to Sprewell at this point, who was a 4x all star and career 18-4-4, which is not bad at all
But as far as ceiling, let's shoot for the stars and go with Butler.)

Kuzma-Peja Stojakovic (6-9 high volume three point shooter like Kuz. Peja could of very well be pushed to the stretch 4 in today's NBA.)

Hart-Paul George (I want to say Mitch Richmond, but I dont believe Mitch was an impact defensive player like Hart has the potential to be. Like PG, Hart has the ability to 3 and D and then some, see: rebounding, etc., but like PG, Hart probably doesn't have the world class talent to carry a team. Hart will be known for being a winner, unlike PG.

Wagner-Nowitzki (as far as ceiling, sure why not. At the minimum, Wagner could be a Lauri Markanaan.)

Svi-Ray Allen (Yeah, I said it...why not? What is stopping him?)


Dirk? Dirk?!? You do realize there was an NBA playoffs where for over a month Dirk was without question the best player on the planet. He’s also the GOAT euro of all time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:55 pm    Post subject:

Josh Hart = HOF
Svi = HOF
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:04 pm    Post subject:

they have a Summer League Hall of Fame???
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:11 pm    Post subject:

GonzagaAlum wrote:
scoobs wrote:
Upside/comparisons might be too different things. But, if you are talking upside then..

Ingram-Jimmy Butler (Butler is a 20-6-5 player at this stage of his career. I think Ingram had the tools to do that. BI needs to work on his defense and free throw shooting though. Until then, I would compare him to Sprewell at this point, who was a 4x all star and career 18-4-4, which is not bad at all
But as far as ceiling, let's shoot for the stars and go with Butler.)

Kuzma-Peja Stojakovic (6-9 high volume three point shooter like Kuz. Peja could of very well be pushed to the stretch 4 in today's NBA.)

Hart-Paul George (I want to say Mitch Richmond, but I dont believe Mitch was an impact defensive player like Hart has the potential to be. Like PG, Hart has the ability to 3 and D and then some, see: rebounding, etc., but like PG, Hart probably doesn't have the world class talent to carry a team. Hart will be known for being a winner, unlike PG.

Wagner-Nowitzki (as far as ceiling, sure why not. At the minimum, Wagner could be a Lauri Markanaan.)

Svi-Ray Allen (Yeah, I said it...why not? What is stopping him?)


Dirk? Dirk?!? You do realize there was an NBA playoffs where for over a month Dirk was without question the best player on the planet. He’s also the GOAT euro of all time.


"Ceiling" leaves a lot of room for imagining the most positive outcome, and surely, Dirk - as you note, the Greatest Of All Time Euro of All Time - is a very favorable conceivable outcome. I agree, it's too high, but there's a lot of wiggle room with this question.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:12 pm    Post subject:

VicXLakers wrote:
they have a Summer League Hall of Fame???


In Summer League, HOF stands for "Hall of Familiar"
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:06 pm    Post subject:

Brandon Ingram is a mix of Sean Elliott and Grant hill pre injury he's not as explosive but a longer version.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject:

Wagner =Tom Gugliotta
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:15 pm    Post subject:

Svi=Dan Majerle maybe better handles but he could take it to the hole shoot and play a little defense.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject:

Lakers great32 wrote:
Wagner =Tom Gugliotta


digesting that one...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:32 pm    Post subject:

I find it racist that you guys always compare white players to other white players

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:35 pm    Post subject:

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I find it racist that you guys always compare white players to other white players



as they say...let's go to the video

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:43 pm    Post subject:

markjay wrote:
OC Lakerfan wrote:
markjay wrote:
Lonzo-Kidd
Hart-Jimmy Butler
Ingram-Kawhi
Kuzma-Jayson Tatum
Zubac-Marc Gasol
Svi-Peja
Moe-KAT


So Kuzma’s ceiling is a rookie Tatum?
Moe won’t be Kat. Different game.


I meant that Kuzma's ceiling is what I predict the kind of career Tatum will have — not Tatum's first year.


LOL try again my friend... What is Tatum's ceiling, then? You can't use a player to player comparison with players from the same draft class lol.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:20 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo-Kidd with a jumper
Hart: Jimmy Butler
Ingram: Paul George peak
Kuzma: Glenn Robinson
Svi: Michael Jordan
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:33 pm    Post subject:

MickMgl wrote:
GonzagaAlum wrote:
scoobs wrote:
Upside/comparisons might be too different things. But, if you are talking upside then..

Ingram-Jimmy Butler (Butler is a 20-6-5 player at this stage of his career. I think Ingram had the tools to do that. BI needs to work on his defense and free throw shooting though. Until then, I would compare him to Sprewell at this point, who was a 4x all star and career 18-4-4, which is not bad at all
But as far as ceiling, let's shoot for the stars and go with Butler.)

Kuzma-Peja Stojakovic (6-9 high volume three point shooter like Kuz. Peja could of very well be pushed to the stretch 4 in today's NBA.)

Hart-Paul George (I want to say Mitch Richmond, but I dont believe Mitch was an impact defensive player like Hart has the potential to be. Like PG, Hart has the ability to 3 and D and then some, see: rebounding, etc., but like PG, Hart probably doesn't have the world class talent to carry a team. Hart will be known for being a winner, unlike PG.

Wagner-Nowitzki (as far as ceiling, sure why not. At the minimum, Wagner could be a Lauri Markanaan.)

Svi-Ray Allen (Yeah, I said it...why not? What is stopping him?)


Dirk? Dirk?!? You do realize there was an NBA playoffs where for over a month Dirk was without question the best player on the planet. He’s also the GOAT euro of all time.


"Ceiling" leaves a lot of room for imagining the most positive outcome, and surely, Dirk - as you note, the Greatest Of All Time Euro of All Time - is a very favorable conceivable outcome. I agree, it's too high, but there's a lot of wiggle room with this question.
yeah, as I stated upside and comparison are different things. If you are going with comparisons, then I would say Markanaan.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:35 pm    Post subject:

defense wrote:
I find it racist that you guys always compare white players to other white players



Only if one throws in comments regarding said ballplayer's B-ball IQ and professionalism.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:20 pm    Post subject:

Very proud of the FO for not trading away our youth for Kawhi.
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