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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Zubac looking swole #ZuBEAST

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl6L1KihLqP/



Nice to see he's progressing even further


I'm thinking his strength issues were more related to his lower body. He does look beefier though.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:40 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Zubac looking swole #ZuBEAST

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl6L1KihLqP/



Nice to see he's progressing even further


Beard is starting to take shape
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:42 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
MJST wrote:
Zubac looking swole #ZuBEAST

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl6L1KihLqP/



Nice to see he's progressing even further


Beard is starting to take shape


An "Evil Ivica" goatee would be a bold choice.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:01 am    Post subject:

Time to start banging on the boards and in the paint.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:31 am    Post subject:

I believe people are looking at the development of our young players in incorrectly. For example, Randle spent several off-seasons adding to aspects of his raw game. Last year he opened peoples eyes and gained respect when his finishing ability inside was much greater. Clearly he focused on specific details but he had already added a lot of knowledge and ability the previous off-seasons. He only had to refine his game, and now he's working on shooting which you can see in videos.

Zubac is a little behind Randle's pace. He had skills and abilities when he came in, but he needed to get good at fundamentals and develop man strength and aggressiveness. The video of him shows he has worked on the finer details of disciplined inside movement. A hook shot would be great, but instead of wasting a lot of time on something that may or may not work well, he is now combining an aggressive inside game with ability to hurt opponents from outside. He has the manly physique to succeed.

LeBron made Ilgauskas, Mozgov, and Tristan Thompson look good, and I'm confident Zubac will be better than those guys when he's done.

His good contributions this year will be thing everyone says that nobody could have foreseen.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:48 am    Post subject:

2 years ago Zu was looked at as a really good prospect.

He goes to summer league and messes the bed

Hi regular season also got off to a really bad start.

Reality seemed to really help him learn what was required and he has worked his way back. It looks like he spent his summer playing in Europe and has been hitting the Gym and looking stronger.

I think he will fit in well this year. He is pretty good on defense and rebounding and has a nice low post moves and touch around the hoop. His passing is very underrated. His outside shooting is not featured very much but I think if he regularly took outside shots he would shoot a decent percentage.

I expect that many will be surprised by how well he plays this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject:

oldlakerfan wrote:
2 years ago Zu was looked at as a really good prospect.

He goes to summer league and messes the bed

Hi regular season also got off to a really bad start.

Reality seemed to really help him learn what was required and he has worked his way back. It looks like he spent his summer playing in Europe and has been hitting the Gym and looking stronger.

I think he will fit in well this year. He is pretty good on defense and rebounding and has a nice low post moves and touch around the hoop. His passing is very underrated. His outside shooting is not featured very much but I think if he regularly took outside shots he would shoot a decent percentage.

I expect that many will be surprised by how well he plays this year.


The past couple of years people have been fantasizing about him becoming Kareem. It probably took away from some of the time he could have been working on fundamentals. VIdeos appear to show that this summer he focused on minor details that will help him become a much better player. He looks like a guy who will become a significant part of the rotation's success.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:41 am    Post subject:

lakersboy wrote:
oldlakerfan wrote:
2 years ago Zu was looked at as a really good prospect.

He goes to summer league and messes the bed

Hi regular season also got off to a really bad start.

Reality seemed to really help him learn what was required and he has worked his way back. It looks like he spent his summer playing in Europe and has been hitting the Gym and looking stronger.

I think he will fit in well this year. He is pretty good on defense and rebounding and has a nice low post moves and touch around the hoop. His passing is very underrated. His outside shooting is not featured very much but I think if he regularly took outside shots he would shoot a decent percentage.

I expect that many will be surprised by how well he plays this year.


The past couple of years people have been fantasizing about him becoming Kareem. It probably took away from some of the time he could have been working on fundamentals. VIdeos appear to show that this summer he focused on minor details that will help him become a much better player. He looks like a guy who will become a significant part of the rotation's success.

One of the articles that have come out since the end of the season said that as a rookie Zubac weighed about 280 lbs or so and had over 18% body fat. He lost 40 lbs over the 2017 summer to get down to Magic's 8% fat goal. In doing so, he lost a lot of muscle. So, when he showed up for training camp in September 2017 he had 8% fat but was completely out of shape. Apparently, he has recognized his mistake and is trying to build more muscle this summer. I expect that he will be one of the most improved Lakers players this next year.

Links:
Zubac's weight loss
What Zubac is doing to prepare for this third year
Zubac dominates World Cup Qualifiers
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:32 pm    Post subject:

Zu > Boogie on this years Suicide Sqaud Lakeshow.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:34 pm    Post subject:

Zubac and McGee will be keys to a good season.
They have to provide rebounding, rim protection, and defense of the big centers. And hit that slam when fed.

McGee has shown he can play at the NBA level but for some reason perceived as having a problem playing long minutes.

So Zubac is the last line of defense at the center position after McGee. Doubt if Wagner would be ready to play against NBA centers.

Are they good enough to be at least serviceable at center?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:56 pm    Post subject:

I can't believe people are still high on him...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:56 pm    Post subject:

lakersboy wrote:

His good contributions this year will be thing everyone says that nobody could have foreseen.


I'll say. There are Zubac haters who were literally counting down the days to July 1 when he'd supposedly be cut and even out of the league. They will lose their minds if he ends up starting at any point this season and succeeds.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:57 pm    Post subject:

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Good thing Zu is bad at low post scoring and is pretty darn good at rebounding and rim protection.

I'm a big Zubac fan. I think he could be a Nurkic-level player some day.
Surprised to hear someone say he's a good rebounder. Are there advanced stats that back that up?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:08 pm    Post subject:

CantStopJM wrote:
I can't believe people are still high on him...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDv5n8TmcxI

I can't believe people gave up on him so quickly, and even had T. Bryant over him.

Then I remember he's white and European.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:22 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Good thing Zu is bad at low post scoring and is pretty darn good at rebounding and rim protection.

I'm a big Zubac fan. I think he could be a Nurkic-level player some day.
Surprised to hear someone say he's a good rebounder. Are there advanced stats that back that up?


https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2018.html

By per-minute average, by rebound %, and by per-possession, Ivica Zubac was the Lakers' best rebounder last season (just behind Bogut & Nance, who didn't finish the season with the team, and ahead of Randle).

And since I've spoken to people who believe offensive rebounding is the better way to measure one's ability... here, too, Zubac was just behind Bogut and Nance (by .2), and FAR ahead of Randle in ORB per 36 minutes (by a full 1.0 rebound).

All of these advanced rebounding numbers are also better than those of any of the new Lakers. (Read "Javale McGee") So, going in, he's at least on paper the Lakers' best rebounder next season.

Beyond just rebounding - because he also converts a high percentage of FG and FT, and blocks shots - his overall PER last year was the highest of any returning Laker.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject:

MickMgl wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Good thing Zu is bad at low post scoring and is pretty darn good at rebounding and rim protection.

I'm a big Zubac fan. I think he could be a Nurkic-level player some day.
Surprised to hear someone say he's a good rebounder. Are there advanced stats that back that up?


https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2018.html

By per-minute average, by rebound %, and by per-possession, Ivica Zubac was the Lakers' best rebounder last season (just behind Bogut & Nance, who didn't finish the season with the team, and ahead of Randle).

And since I've spoken to people who believe offensive rebounding is the better way to measure one's ability... here, too, Zubac was just behind Bogut and Nance (by .2), and FAR ahead of Randle in ORB per 36 minutes (by a full 1.0 rebound).

All of these advanced rebounding are also better than those of any of the new Lakers. (Read "Javale McGee") So, going in, he's at least on paper the Lakers' best rebounder next season.

Beyond just rebounding - because he also converts a high percentage of FG and FT, and blocks shots - his overall PER last year was the highest of any returning Laker.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:35 pm    Post subject:

CantStopJM wrote:
I can't believe people are still high on him...


There are still those that watch the games.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:45 pm    Post subject:

MickMgl wrote:
CantStopJM wrote:
I can't believe people are still high on him...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDv5n8TmcxI

I can't believe people gave up on him so quickly, and even had T. Bryant over him.

Then I remember he's white and European.


He is still pretty young.

Same age as our 21 year old rookies Svi and Wagner. 2 years younger than Kuzma.

I'm not so high on him, but he has still plenty of potential. Hopefully he pans out and becomes a decent player. Too early to count him out.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject:

Go Zubac!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject:

Kevin Harlan screaming Zubac 40 times a season since we got LeBron now >>>>>>>>>
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:26 pm    Post subject:

can we lock him in a gym with Ben Wallace for the rest of the summer?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:51 am    Post subject:

https://youtu.be/3k8eRO7R9X0

Already catching half court lobs from Rondo.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:55 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
https://youtu.be/3k8eRO7R9X0

Already catching half court lobs from Rondo.


Good to see Rondo now getting in time with the kids

Can't wait to see next week where I assume far more people will be back in town
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject:

I can see Zu flourishing with Rondo and LeBron as they'll set him up for easy hoops just like IT did in the pick and roll.

That part of the game isn't Zo's strong point right now.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:06 pm    Post subject:

He is only 21 and he is in great shape.

He has everything you want in a young center prospect except for lateral quickness which he can improve but will always be a weakness.

Low post game on offense and defense both developing but can but real good.

Passing and rebounding both can be good

His defense away from the basket will probably never be that good

His outside shot can be developed.

I don't think he will get pushed around anymore.

Other experienced players will help his game.

I think his game will be a plus on a playoff team this year.
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