In a winner take all Game 7 to save humanity, do we choose Spencer Dinwiddie or Prime Michael Jordan? I really don’t have a good answer for this one...
I mean. Bugs called upon MJ.
But Spencer might not have been born yet. If he were of age to ball, you know Spencer would have gotten the "What's up doc?"
OP is a big DLo fan.
DLo gets sent packing and is replaced by Lonzo.
OP then follows DLo to Brooklyn so he watches a lot of Nets games.
OP then brings up Spencer to throw shade at Lonzo.
I wonder why.
In a winner take all Game 7 to save humanity, do we choose Spencer Dinwiddie or Prime Michael Jordan? I really don’t have a good answer for this one...
Jordan has retired and the mantle has been passed. The Spencer is the guardian at the gates of chaos and destruction.
In a winner take all Game 7 to save humanity, do we choose Spencer Dinwiddie or Prime Michael Jordan? I really don’t have a good answer for this one...
It's close, but I know who I want taking that final shot:
My favorite part about the Dinwiddie arguments is that despite being 3 years older than Lonzo, with basics statistically, Lonzo is already (basically) on par or considerably better, except for 1 category. FT%.
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I would rate Spencer in the lower tier of starting pgs in the nba, so you can imagine how I rate Lonzo than.
Interestingly, ESPN RPM backs up the arguments by both Mike and K. Dinwiddie is in a "lower tier" of pgs (at #13) and Ball is even worse.
Ball had a bad rookie year on offense--led by his atrocious FT%--but once Ball fixes that and other aspects of his offensive game, Ball could be in the top tier of point guards--unlike Dinwiddie who already has had the time he needs to show what he will become.
Dinwiddie had a pretty nasty ACL tear at the end of his final college season, which dropped him down draft boards and delayed his progress his first season on a discombobulated Pistons team.
Of course, Lonzo as a freshman at UCLA was better than Dinwiddie as a college junior and produced a rookie season at age 20 that is on par with Dinwiddie's best year this past season at age 25. Despite the troll, Dinwiddie's development and talent can be appreciated while acknowledging that Lonzo has the higher ceiling and could surpass Dinwiddie as early as this upcoming season.
Hard to say he has a better ceiling though.
Lonzo was predicted to be very good as a rookie, not much of a high ceiling, developmental player.
Besides the age, what makes you think he has a higher ceiling? It's not like he is some raw athlete with freakish measurements like Ingram.
True. One guy is significantly better than the other.
Pretty sure this guy thought Smush Parker had all-star potential back in the day.
Imagine, if you guys write the things u do on a nba neutral forum and see what the feedback would be like.
"Neutral" NBA forums are full of regular fans whose impressions of other players are largely based off of marketing efforts. Write anything about Lonzo in a "neutral" NBA forum and watch how many times the word "LaVar" follows soon thereafter.
People in the NBA know that Lonzo can hoop, they aren't having silly conversations like this. These are strictly message board conversations.
Actually, Spencer is viewed highly or at least with sports writers, hence why he finished third in MIP voting this season. It's not like he plays for the Knicks or Lakers, he plays for the Nets, a team where their stadium routinely roots for the opposition more than their home team. He also received more votes than randle and ingram combined.
So, honestly, Spencer must of done something right this past season.
It's weird how people are making it seem like the comparison is preposterous. However, it's probably because none of them watch him play last season
My favorite part about the Dinwiddie arguments is that despite being 3 years older than Lonzo, with basics statistically, Lonzo is already (basically) on par or considerably better, except for 1 category. FT%.
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I would rate Spencer in the lower tier of starting pgs in the nba, so you can imagine how I rate Lonzo than.
Interestingly, ESPN RPM backs up the arguments by both Mike and K. Dinwiddie is in a "lower tier" of pgs (at #13) and Ball is even worse.
Ball had a bad rookie year on offense--led by his atrocious FT%--but once Ball fixes that and other aspects of his offensive game, Ball could be in the top tier of point guards--unlike Dinwiddie who already has had the time he needs to show what he will become.
Dinwiddie had a pretty nasty ACL tear at the end of his final college season, which dropped him down draft boards and delayed his progress his first season on a discombobulated Pistons team.
Of course, Lonzo as a freshman at UCLA was better than Dinwiddie as a college junior and produced a rookie season at age 20 that is on par with Dinwiddie's best year this past season at age 25. Despite the troll, Dinwiddie's development and talent can be appreciated while acknowledging that Lonzo has the higher ceiling and could surpass Dinwiddie as early as this upcoming season.
Hard to say he has a better ceiling though.
Lonzo was predicted to be very good as a rookie, not much of a high ceiling, developmental player.
Besides the age, what makes you think he has a higher ceiling? It's not like he is some raw athlete with freakish measurements like Ingram.
Production by age is the most important factor for upside projection. Lonzo has been much better than Dinwiddie by age. He's a comparable passer and better defender now and has four more years to catch up to Dinwiddie as a ball-handler and overall shooter/scorer. Hence, more upside.
Also, upside doesn't have to be dependent on freakish physical tools. Skill upside is more important, though players who can combine both attributes tend to be generational - see Lebron and KD. _________________ Under New Management
My favorite part about the Dinwiddie arguments is that despite being 3 years older than Lonzo, with basics statistically, Lonzo is already (basically) on par or considerably better, except for 1 category. FT%.
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I would rate Spencer in the lower tier of starting pgs in the nba, so you can imagine how I rate Lonzo than.
Interestingly, ESPN RPM backs up the arguments by both Mike and K. Dinwiddie is in a "lower tier" of pgs (at #13) and Ball is even worse.
Ball had a bad rookie year on offense--led by his atrocious FT%--but once Ball fixes that and other aspects of his offensive game, Ball could be in the top tier of point guards--unlike Dinwiddie who already has had the time he needs to show what he will become.
Dinwiddie had a pretty nasty ACL tear at the end of his final college season, which dropped him down draft boards and delayed his progress his first season on a discombobulated Pistons team.
Of course, Lonzo as a freshman at UCLA was better than Dinwiddie as a college junior and produced a rookie season at age 20 that is on par with Dinwiddie's best year this past season at age 25. Despite the troll, Dinwiddie's development and talent can be appreciated while acknowledging that Lonzo has the higher ceiling and could surpass Dinwiddie as early as this upcoming season.
Hard to say he has a better ceiling though.
Lonzo was predicted to be very good as a rookie, not much of a high ceiling, developmental player.
Besides the age, what makes you think he has a higher ceiling? It's not like he is some raw athlete with freakish measurements like Ingram.
Production by age is the most important factor for upside projection. Lonzo has been much better than Dinwiddie by age. He's a comparable passer and better defender now and has four more years to catch up to Dinwiddie as a ball-handler and overall shooter/scorer. Hence, more upside.
Also, upside doesn't have to be dependent on freakish physical tools. Skill upside is more important, though players who can combine both attributes tend to be generational - see Lebron and KD.
Production by age doesn't really indicate upside potential. Some guys just have better chances/opportunities early in their careers or are ready body wise.
Perfect example was Okafor. Dude would of definitely won ROTY had he not missed half the season, but he was scoring buckets for fun.
In reference to Lonzo, what upside do you see? An explosive combo guard? or basically Ricky Rubio.
My favorite part about the Dinwiddie arguments is that despite being 3 years older than Lonzo, with basics statistically, Lonzo is already (basically) on par or considerably better, except for 1 category. FT%.
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I would rate Spencer in the lower tier of starting pgs in the nba, so you can imagine how I rate Lonzo than.
Interestingly, ESPN RPM backs up the arguments by both Mike and K. Dinwiddie is in a "lower tier" of pgs (at #13) and Ball is even worse.
Ball had a bad rookie year on offense--led by his atrocious FT%--but once Ball fixes that and other aspects of his offensive game, Ball could be in the top tier of point guards--unlike Dinwiddie who already has had the time he needs to show what he will become.
Dinwiddie had a pretty nasty ACL tear at the end of his final college season, which dropped him down draft boards and delayed his progress his first season on a discombobulated Pistons team.
Of course, Lonzo as a freshman at UCLA was better than Dinwiddie as a college junior and produced a rookie season at age 20 that is on par with Dinwiddie's best year this past season at age 25. Despite the troll, Dinwiddie's development and talent can be appreciated while acknowledging that Lonzo has the higher ceiling and could surpass Dinwiddie as early as this upcoming season.
Hard to say he has a better ceiling though.
Lonzo was predicted to be very good as a rookie, not much of a high ceiling, developmental player.
Besides the age, what makes you think he has a higher ceiling? It's not like he is some raw athlete with freakish measurements like Ingram.
Production by age is the most important factor for upside projection. Lonzo has been much better than Dinwiddie by age. He's a comparable passer and better defender now and has four more years to catch up to Dinwiddie as a ball-handler and overall shooter/scorer. Hence, more upside.
Also, upside doesn't have to be dependent on freakish physical tools. Skill upside is more important, though players who can combine both attributes tend to be generational - see Lebron and KD.
Production by age doesn't really indicate upside potential. Some guys just have better chances/opportunities early in their careers or are ready body wise.
Perfect example was Okafor. Dude would of definitely won ROTY had he not missed half the season, but he was scoring buckets for fun.
In reference to Lonzo, what upside do you see? An explosive combo guard? or basically Ricky Rubio.
Yes, yes it very much does. Since you're a Dinwiddie fan and the greatest argument for Dinwiddie's value is his sexy RPM, you could poke around the internet and find some interesting articles on the correlation between draft age and peak production in the NBA along with longitudinal impact by production by age, not just anecdotal counting stats for a never was like Okafor. A Spencer Dinwiddie fan should be a fan of linear regression.
I don't know what Lonzo can become. No one does. He's an odd, one of a kind player. If he can shoot from three and increase his frequency of shots at the rim off cuts (both likely playing off of Lebron), he may become the über-role player. Like a guard version of Draymond Green. Or a weird Andre Iguodala. And if he ever adds more conventional scoring skills out of the PnR (not elite, but average) on top of that shooting improvement, he could easily be a HOF-caliber player. Maybe not likely, but a higher peak than our man Spencer. _________________ Under New Management
Okafor isn't even in the league anymore as of today. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
Okafor was always an empty stats player even in his rookie season. Lonzo is the polar opposite in terms of the impact he makes on a team. _________________ Showtime 2.0
Arguing for Dinwiddie's RPM and then using Jahlil Okafor (ranked 417th out of 423 players in RPM as a rookie) as your supporting evidence for how production by age doesn't indicate upside potential is amazing.
GT: can you make a video about which 2 of these 3 should start at the guard spot next year: DLO, Harris or Spencer? For your NetsGround.net fam.
nah screw that, GT make us a 30 minute video analyzing Spencer Dinwiddie's game and personal life. Lonzo who???? We all Spender Dinwiddie fans on this blessed day. _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe
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