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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject:

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That and the other thing is that carrying Deng for $5 million instead of giving up a first or so to completely dump his salary next summer is also a detriment.


This assumes that we could have ditched Deng for a "first or so." I'm sure the FO explored that option. That they stretched him is an indication that it would have cost more than a first or so.


Based on the amount of teams with cap space in 2019, I agree with you, it probably takes 2 1sts to shed Deng next year.


I suspect that the price was a 1st plus one or more of the young players. If I was one of the other teams, thatís what I would demand. I wouldnít rent my cap space for a late first round pick. But thatís a dead horse at this point.


Yeah, to me, trading Kuz or Hart would be worse than trading another future 1st. They have proven to be rotation level players at worst on 3 more cheap years.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:10 am    Post subject:

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It's going to be very, very interesting to see how this plays out. I'm expecting them to be dead last in both free throw percentage and three-point percentage. As bad as they were last year, they could very easily be even worse this year.


Yeah, I would be inclined to agree, but I'm an optimist I'm expecting FT to be last, but 3-point percentage to be at least league average, we're sleeping on the open shots Lebron creates and KCP/Hart/Kuzma/BI's ability to hit them. The team really didn't have a star last season, and Lebron is, well, Lebron. A friendly gentlemen's bet, they won't be worse than 20th
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:42 am    Post subject:

Denver was able to unload 19M in salary (Faried+Arther) for only a protected 1st+ and a 2nd on the Nets.

The bottom line is the Lakers valued their picks more than the extra wiggle room we could have had via cap space.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject:

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Denver was able to unload 19M in salary (Faried+Arther) for only a protected 1st+ and a 2nd on the Nets.

The bottom line is the Lakers valued their picks more than the extra wiggle room we could have had via cap space.


Pretty much. 1 extra pick (or Josh Hart) or 5m in cap space?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:23 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Denver was able to unload 19M in salary (Faried+Arther) for only a protected 1st+ and a 2nd on the Nets.

The bottom line is the Lakers valued their picks more than the extra wiggle room we could have had via cap space.


Pretty much. 1 extra pick (or Josh Hart) or 5m in cap space?

That extra $5M would have made them competitive with MLE level offers from other playoff teams.

Regardless, the timing of the deal shuts off any possible alternate avenues however low the probability.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:35 am    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Denver was able to unload 19M in salary (Faried+Arther) for only a protected 1st+ and a 2nd on the Nets.

The bottom line is the Lakers valued their picks more than the extra wiggle room we could have had via cap space.


Pretty much. 1 extra pick (or Josh Hart) or 5m in cap space?

That extra $5M would have made them competitive with MLE level offers from other playoff teams.

Regardless, the timing of the deal shuts off any possible alternate avenues however low the probability.


its done. whats the point of crying over spilled milk?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:43 am    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Denver was able to unload 19M in salary (Faried+Arther) for only a protected 1st+ and a 2nd on the Nets.

The bottom line is the Lakers valued their picks more than the extra wiggle room we could have had via cap space.


Pretty much. 1 extra pick (or Josh Hart) or 5m in cap space?

That extra $5M would have made them competitive with MLE level offers from other playoff teams.

Regardless, the timing of the deal shuts off any possible alternate avenues however low the probability.


its done. whats the point of crying over spilled milk?

That's what I wrote. The timing shuts off any other outcome good or bad.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:18 am    Post subject:

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Looks like we could have had J.J. Reddick

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-sixers-j-j-redick-says-he-had-an-opportunity-to-sign-with-los-angeles/amp/

Would have been a nice fit on this roster


I don't know. Seems like Rob was alright with the outcome:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24070278/los-angeles-lakers-gm-rob-pelinka-built-team-differently-lebron-james

"There's been this kind of surge of 'Hey, where are the shooters?'" Pelinka explained. "To me, that's a little bit of a misnomer because, again, we wanted a particular type of shooter. When we looked at the free-agent list, the elite shooters ... guys who have had max deals as shooters are in the 38 to 42 percent range in 3-point shooting. I'm talking elite shooters. If you look at last year, [he goes on to lists all the Lakers 3P%.].

"So just because we didn't sign sort of the poster-child shooter that is a specialist and can just make shots, we felt like we assembled a cast of guys that can really shoot the ball but also defend and be versatile. ...

It's going to be very, very interesting to see how this plays out. I'm expecting them to be dead last in both free throw percentage and three-point percentage. As bad as they were last year, they could very easily be even worse this year.


I doubt it. If you look at it objectively there is potential in that area for good production. Kuzma and Hart are good three point shooters and I expect them to get easier looks with Lebron on the team. Lebron himself is a great 3pt shooter, the only perception there is that you think he isn't good. Randle isn't here anymore so he won't bring down the average because of his 10 3s in a season that he usually does. Svi is an elite 3pt and he has a good chance of it translating to the next level. Beasley's numbers are also great and he will get the opportunities if they are there.

I really don't see the argument where we could be the same or worse in 3pt shooting as a team.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject:

Svi is basically a Reddick type with more skills and versatility.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:25 am    Post subject:

Rivershow wrote:
Judah wrote:
cyborgspider wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Looks like we could have had J.J. Reddick

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-sixers-j-j-redick-says-he-had-an-opportunity-to-sign-with-los-angeles/amp/

Would have been a nice fit on this roster


I don't know. Seems like Rob was alright with the outcome:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24070278/los-angeles-lakers-gm-rob-pelinka-built-team-differently-lebron-james

"There's been this kind of surge of 'Hey, where are the shooters?'" Pelinka explained. "To me, that's a little bit of a misnomer because, again, we wanted a particular type of shooter. When we looked at the free-agent list, the elite shooters ... guys who have had max deals as shooters are in the 38 to 42 percent range in 3-point shooting. I'm talking elite shooters. If you look at last year, [he goes on to lists all the Lakers 3P%.].

"So just because we didn't sign sort of the poster-child shooter that is a specialist and can just make shots, we felt like we assembled a cast of guys that can really shoot the ball but also defend and be versatile. ...

It's going to be very, very interesting to see how this plays out. I'm expecting them to be dead last in both free throw percentage and three-point percentage. As bad as they were last year, they could very easily be even worse this year.


I doubt it. If you look at it objectively there is potential in that area for good production. Kuzma and Hart are good three point shooters and I expect them to get easier looks with Lebron on the team. Lebron himself is a great 3pt shooter, the only perception there is that you think he isn't good. Randle isn't here anymore so he won't bring down the average because of his 10 3s in a season that he usually does. Svi is an elite 3pt and he has a good chance of it translating to the next level. Beasley's numbers are also great and he will get the opportunities if they are there.

I really don't see the argument where we could be the same or worse in 3pt shooting as a team.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Denver was able to unload 19M in salary (Faried+Arther) for only a protected 1st+ and a 2nd on the Nets.

The bottom line is the Lakers valued their picks more than the extra wiggle room we could have had via cap space.


Pretty much. 1 extra pick (or Josh Hart) or 5m in cap space?

That extra $5M would have made them competitive with MLE level offers from other playoff teams.

Regardless, the timing of the deal shuts off any possible alternate avenues however low the probability.


its done. whats the point of crying over spilled milk?

That's what I wrote. The timing shuts off any other outcome good or bad.


i know and i agree. i was responding to the poster : dcarter4kobe

its crying over Randle extension or someone's signing or deng buyout.

gotta let go stuff that you cant control
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:40 pm    Post subject:

Ramona just listed Kawhi's top three destinations next season, in her opinion.

1. Clippers
2. Raptors
3. Lakers
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:45 pm    Post subject:

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Ramona just listed Kawhi's top three destinations next season, in her opinion.

1. Clippers
2. Raptors
3. Lakers


I have no idea why he wants to play for the Clippers, unless he wants to be the 1st guy to lead them to the finals and make his own legacy, I think once he sees how great we are this year he will be hard-pressed to go to a team that lacks credibility.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:46 pm    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Denver was able to unload 19M in salary (Faried+Arther) for only a protected 1st+ and a 2nd on the Nets.

The bottom line is the Lakers valued their picks more than the extra wiggle room we could have had via cap space.


Pretty much. 1 extra pick (or Josh Hart) or 5m in cap space?

That extra $5M would have made them competitive with MLE level offers from other playoff teams.

Regardless, the timing of the deal shuts off any possible alternate avenues however low the probability.


its done. whats the point of crying over spilled milk?

That's what I wrote. The timing shuts off any other outcome good or bad.


i know and i agree. i was responding to the poster : dcarter4kobe

its crying over Randle extension or someone's signing or deng buyout.

gotta let go stuff that you cant control

True, at this point just look forward to the season, summer 2019, and hope next year's 1st round pick turns into another inexpensive rotation player.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:57 pm    Post subject:

Freddie Buckets wrote:
Ramona just listed Kawhi's top three destinations next season, in her opinion.

1. Clippers
2. Raptors
3. Lakers


Maybe after pushing the PG13/Lakers thing, there's some hesitancy...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:57 pm    Post subject:

Which player would you sign to fill the last void on the roster?

Joakim Noah
Ray Allen
Crawford
J.R. Smith

I want Ray Allen, since he has experience playing with LeBron and knows how to win.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:58 pm    Post subject:

No.
No.
No.
No.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:58 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Freddie Buckets wrote:
Ramona just listed Kawhi's top three destinations next season, in her opinion.

1. Clippers
2. Raptors
3. Lakers


I have no idea why he wants to play for the Clippers, unless he wants to be the 1st guy to lead them to the finals and make his own legacy, I think once he sees how great we are this year he will be hard-pressed to go to a team that lacks credibility.


Sure, but consider that this is also a two way street.

Based on what I have heard, LA is the top choice for Kawhi (nothing guaranteed and could change, but heís not PG13). If the Lakers are chasing KD or Klay; and land one of those two then Kawhiís only option in LA is the Clippers.

It takes two to tango, and we donít know the Lakers list in order of priority.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:00 pm    Post subject:

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No.
No.
No.
No.


I disagree I think Ray Allen can help us even at age 43, he was one of those guys that played well and aged like wine.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:17 pm    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
No.
No.
No.
No.


I disagree I think Ray Allen can help us even at age 43, he was one of those guys that played well and aged like wine.


You understand he just was enshrined in the HOF?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
No.
No.
No.
No.


I disagree I think Ray Allen can help us even at age 43, he was one of those guys that played well and aged like wine.

Didn't you also suggest 78 year old Larry Brown for new coach after Byron was fired? You've gotta stop with these Life Alert suggestions, man
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Freddie Buckets wrote:
Ramona just listed Kawhi's top three destinations next season, in her opinion.

1. Clippers
2. Raptors
3. Lakers


I have no idea why he wants to play for the Clippers, unless he wants to be the 1st guy to lead them to the finals and make his own legacy, I think once he sees how great we are this year he will be hard-pressed to go to a team that lacks credibility.


They wonít lack credibility if he goes there
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:53 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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That and the other thing is that carrying Deng for $5 million instead of giving up a first or so to completely dump his salary next summer is also a detriment.


This assumes that we could have ditched Deng for a "first or so." I'm sure the FO explored that option. That they stretched him is an indication that it would have cost more than a first or so.


Based on the amount of teams with cap space in 2019, I agree with you, it probably takes 2 1sts to shed Deng next year.


I suspect that the price was a 1st plus one or more of the young players. If I was one of the other teams, thatís what I would demand. I wouldnít rent my cap space for a late first round pick. But thatís a dead horse at this point.


Yeah, to me, trading Kuz or Hart would be worse than trading another future 1st. They have proven to be rotation level players at worst on 3 more cheap years.


Gotta keep the young core together... As a matter of fact... I would love to find a way to keep this whole roster together and add Kawhi ... Not sure if its possible.. I know some of the guys would have to be willing to play on a crazy discount for a year or two... But the more I look at this roster... the more I think its a Championship Level Roster and keeping it together and adding Kawhi would be a Dynasty Level Roster
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venturalakersfan wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Freddie Buckets wrote:
Ramona just listed Kawhi's top three destinations next season, in her opinion.

1. Clippers
2. Raptors
3. Lakers


I have no idea why he wants to play for the Clippers, unless he wants to be the 1st guy to lead them to the finals and make his own legacy, I think once he sees how great we are this year he will be hard-pressed to go to a team that lacks credibility.


They wonít lack credibility if he goes there


Yes they would. They're the Clippers.
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The Lebrons wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Freddie Buckets wrote:
Ramona just listed Kawhi's top three destinations next season, in her opinion.

1. Clippers
2. Raptors
3. Lakers


I have no idea why he wants to play for the Clippers, unless he wants to be the 1st guy to lead them to the finals and make his own legacy, I think once he sees how great we are this year he will be hard-pressed to go to a team that lacks credibility.


They wonít lack credibility if he goes there


Yes they would. They're the Clippers.


Yep, they couldnít make the finals with a 1st-ballot HOF PG and 2 good all star big man in DJ and Griffin, Leonard wonít break there losing curse only a MJ or a LeBron would if there fortunate enough to draft 1.
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