I don't believe that role players, even great role players, should be in the HOF. Again, my standards are high, though. Like, I think Ginobili is marginal, but at least he has other accolades (2-time All-NBA, 2-time All-Star, 1-time 6th Man Of The Year), as well as his international history with the Argentina national team. Now that I look at it, he also averaged 18.8/5.4 per 36 minutes, on a .582 TS %. Yeah, I'm cool with him getting in eventually. .
If Ginobili's NBA career was the only criteria that shouldn't be enough to get him in. But taking into account the international career and gold medal, euroleague title and mvp, as well as the NBA career that will get him in.
HOF should be for the elite players in the game. The best of the best. Horry isn't in that category. Celtics role players shouldn't be in in HOF either.
Love Horry, but no way should there even be a discussion. He was clutch in the playoffs and was great next to ALL TIME great players, Olajawon, Shaq/Kobe, Duncan/Ginobli/Parker. Was on cruise control more times than not and even PJ understood that Horry was more effective limiting his minutes since he would get worn down. He had pedestrian stats, even during the playoffs. No one doubts his importance, but HOF not even close.
If players such as Frank Ramsey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Ramsey_(basketball)) are in the HOF, Horry and others (ala LO) should also be considered - maybe even DFish (acknowledging that I am a "Homer.").
If he/they "first ballot" HOF - absolutely not.
Interesting conversation
Frank Ramsey was a helluva high impact player in both college and the NBA, especially compared to Horry. He played intense defense and strong offense. If there'd been a sixth man award during Ramsey's day, he'd almost certainly have won it several times. Horry ? More of a specialist and even then, only memorable for a few key shots.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:39 am Post subject:
It's the hall of fame, not the hall of stats. Big shot Rob is world famous, you better read the paper or something?
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Even without his international career Manu deserves to be in the HOF WAY more than Horry. That's how unworthy Horry is.
Roleplayers don't deserve to be in the HOF. Just no.
He wasn’t just a role player, he was the perfect role-player on a championship team. also it wasn’t about him coming through in big games that made him so Important to teams, it was his intangibles, like defense in some of our playoff battles.. but yeah during our modern times most Basketball fans just see stats and call that player a HOFr.
Amazing amount of winning, he had the Golden Touch for sure.
That said, it would be ridiculous to put a 7 ppg career scorer in the Hall of Fame.
+1
You don’t need to have spectacular highlight reels and stats to get consideration for the HOF, or else every single player who puts up numbers would be in the HOF, guys like Horry don’t come around often that alone makes him eligible for the HOF.
I don't think the hall of fame should just be about (PARBS) stats, but it should be about how the players made fans feel time after time. Robert Horry (and Derek Fisher) has enough LEGENDARY plays that lead to 7 championships.
Those clutch shots time and time again in vital moments make Robert Horry a LEGEND, and LEGENDS belong in the Hall of Fame.
I don't think the hall of fame should just be about (PARBS) stats, but it should be about how the players made fans feel time after time. Robert Horry (and Derek Fisher) has enough LEGENDARY plays that lead to 7 championships.
Those clutch shots time and time again in vital moments make Robert Horry a LEGEND, and LEGENDS belong in the Hall of Fame.
Oh yeah, Horry was vital to our 02 title run, he also helped San Antonio go up 3-2 against the Pistons that eventually help push them to the championship, the same can be said for Fisher’s heroics and endless effort to come up big in pivotal games.
I wonder if Rocket and Spurs fan think he should be HOF-worthy...
Who cares what they think? Anyone who appreciates winning appreciates players like Horry... it is tough to win a title in the NBA and he was vital in a lot of it.
I wonder if Rocket and Spurs fan think he should be HOF-worthy...
Who cares what they think? Anyone who appreciates winning appreciates players like Horry... it is tough to win a title in the NBA and he was vital in a lot of it.
I wonder if Rocket and Spurs fan think he should be HOF-worthy...
Who cares what they think? Anyone who appreciates winning appreciates players like Horry... it is tough to win a title in the NBA and he was vital in a lot of it.
Still not HOF-worthy, my dude...
Not gonna argue anymore about this bro, If you want to think he is not HOF worthy then it is you’re right
I don't ever post at all..(seriously look at how long I have been member & how many posts I have made, but even I have to chime in on this).. but you have been on NBATV, written for the LA Times, & now write for hoopshype.. & host your own podcast.. but for you Eric Pincus to write these 2 sentences: "Robert Horry should be in the Hall Of Fame" & "Robert Horry had a bigger impact on the game & should be in the Hall of Fame over Tracy McGrady"..
Eric, you are either (A) drunk, (B) High, (C) on bath salts, (D) got hacked or (E) all of the above.. but for you to seriously make this illogical case.. is just dumbfounding.. like I don't need to list T-Mac resume.. we all know what it is (with leading the league in scoring, All Star games he made etc etc)..
If you really believe this, then you shouldn't be allowed to talk basketball & get paid for it.. like talk about it with your friends at the water-cooler or at the neighborhood bar.. that is fine.. but to have a national platform to spew such nonsense.. nah.. this is seriously up there with the coldest of all cold takes.. you should be embarrassed saying this.. smh..
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:15 pm Post subject:
LakerFanInThe702 wrote:
I don't ever post at all..(seriously look at how long I have been member & how many posts I have made, but even I have to chime in on this).. but you have been on NBATV, written for the LA Times, & now write for hoopshype.. & host your own podcast.. but for you Eric Pincus to write these 2 sentences: "Robert Horry should be in the Hall Of Fame" & "Robert Horry had a bigger impact on the game & should be in the Hall of Fame over Tracy McGrady"..
Eric, you are either (A) drunk, (B) High, (C) on bath salts, (D) got hacked or (E) all of the above.. but for you to seriously make this illogical case.. is just dumbfounding.. like I don't need to list T-Mac resume.. we all know what it is (with leading the league in scoring, All Star games he made etc etc)..
If you really believe this, then you shouldn't be allowed to talk basketball & get paid for it.. like talk about it with your friends at the water-cooler or at the neighborhood bar.. that is fine.. but to have a national platform to spew such nonsense.. nah.. this is seriously up there with the coldest of all cold takes.. you should be embarrassed saying this.. smh..
Chris Rhodes..
Agreed.
This guy lost all credibility in my eyes. _________________ We pour this booze and we drink this booze because we think it's yummy. YUMMY! So over the tounge and down the throat to party in our tummys.
DOWN THE HOLA BITC*OLA!!!
If players such as Frank Ramsey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Ramsey_(basketball)) are in the HOF, Horry and others (ala LO) should also be considered - maybe even DFish (acknowledging that I am a "Homer.").
If he/they "first ballot" HOF - absolutely not.
Interesting conversation
The Hall of Fame has made some bad choices over the years, and one of those was Ramsey. He doesn't belong there in my opinion. However, you shouldn't compound that mistake by making the bad choice a justification for allowing in other bad choices.
In fact, any time people invoke names like Frank Ramsey, Calvin Murphy, and Gail Goodrich to justify why a guy should get in the Hall, it generally tells me the guy doesn't belong in the Hall. Saying someone is on par with Hall of Fame mistakes is a weak argument for putting him in the Hall.
Big-time scorers come and go - Joe Johnson has been an All-Star for like 30 years - doesn't mean he should be in the HOF.
Impact on the game - I think Reggie Miller made an impact on the game. Karl Malone, Barkley - didn't win titles but are deserving of their place in the HOF.
To me, Richmond, T-Mac are iffy. Great scorers and?
This may be one of the worst arguments I've ever heard in favor of Horry. McGrady was a 7-time all-star and made 7 all-NBA teams. He finished 4th in MVP voting twice. In his prime, he put up 32-7-6.
You can argue whether he deserves to be in the Hall, but as an player Horry wasn't close to being on the same tier as he was. Horry was on a lot of successful teams, but there's no way you can compare his individual accomplishments with T-mac.
Horry never made an all-star team, never made an all-NBA team, never received a single MVP vote in his entire career. His best season was 12-6-4.
On top of that, saying that a guy deserves to be in the Hall because you think he's more deserving than one or two Hall of Famers that you think were bad choices is an incredibly weak argument.
Seeing the tide of this site's membership rise up against the thread's thesis (nearly without exception), it is suddenly occurring to me what it was we were subjected to here:
click-bait
Really, the only surprising part is the source, the originator. It's a thread with an external personal for-profit link from one of the mods whom we've respected and enjoyed for the most part for years. Forgiven, yes; not forgotten. Part of the cost of seeing Emplay reaching for greater financial success in this business is the related inherent drive in a news business to grind out clicks every news cycle. Some are less worthy than others. It's a dull period for hoops news, and sometimes even the sharpest minds have to risk a dumb topic for a buck.
Seeing the tide of this site's membership rise up against the thread's thesis (nearly without exception), it is suddenly occurring to me what it was we were subjected to here:
click-bait
Really, the only surprising part is the source, the originator. It's a thread with an external personal for-profit link from one of the mods whom we've respected and enjoyed for the most part for years. Forgiven, yes; not forgotten. Part of the cost of seeing Emplay reaching for greater financial success in this business is the related inherent drive in a news business to grind out clicks every news cycle. Some are less worthy than others. It's a dull period for hoops news, and sometimes even the sharpest minds have to risk a dumb topic for a buck.
Bingo.
Dude's taking a page out of the ESPN click-n-bait playbook.
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