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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo's the leading 3pt shooter for the preseason, amirite?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject:

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Lonzo's the leading 3pt shooter for the preseason, amirite?


The 3 he made was changed to a 2 so he’s at 0%
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Lonzo's the leading 3pt shooter for the preseason, amirite?


The 3 he made was changed to a 2 so he’s at 0%


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:17 pm    Post subject:

OC Lakerfan wrote:
Or you could be a good 3 point shooting team and miss 29 or something in a row like the Rockets.

Or miss 29 in a row single-handedly, like Robert Horry, gone mental.

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What is missing is a steady scorer besides Lebron. Next year should take care of that. A second all star.

I think we'll find that This year within our current group. And maybe more than one.
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LakersRGolden wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
29.6% so far. Down from 34.5% last season. LeBron is keeping the % from plummeting.


Yikes.

How many attempts per game this preseason compared to last year regular season?


2018 - 19 Preseason

23.0 attempts per game

The only teams with lower attempts per game are

Bejing Ducks
San Antonio Spurs
Haifa Maccabi
Shanghai Sharks


The teams with lower 3 point percentages (made)

Memphis
Chicago
Detroit
Phoenix
Washington

Perth Wildcats
Bejing Ducks
Brooklyn Nets
Boston Celtics

New Zealand Breakers
Melbourne United


2017 - 18 Regular Season

Last season, 29.1 attempts per game and 34.5% made.

percentage-wise, we have to be the worst or close to it for ft% and 3pt%. Even if not in the preseason, it will be within weeks of the seasons start.


hm. Total ft & 3pt points made / total possible. Could get ugly.....



It is possible that the going gets tough. During the preseason, there is probably a limited amount of defensive scheming by teams. If the three point shooting continues to be poor in the regular season, then defenses will adjust and sag which will clog the interior.
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Bard207 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
29.6% so far. Down from 34.5% last season. LeBron is keeping the % from plummeting.


Yikes.

How many attempts per game this preseason compared to last year regular season?


2018 - 19 Preseason

23.0 attempts per game

The only teams with lower attempts per game are

Bejing Ducks
San Antonio Spurs
Haifa Maccabi
Shanghai Sharks


The teams with lower 3 point percentages (made)

Memphis
Chicago
Detroit
Phoenix
Washington

Perth Wildcats
Bejing Ducks
Brooklyn Nets
Boston Celtics

New Zealand Breakers
Melbourne United


2017 - 18 Regular Season

Last season, 29.1 attempts per game and 34.5% made.

percentage-wise, we have to be the worst or close to it for ft% and 3pt%. Even if not in the preseason, it will be within weeks of the seasons start.


hm. Total ft & 3pt points made / total possible. Could get ugly.....



It is possible that the going gets tough. During the preseason, there is probably a limited amount of defensive scheming by teams. If the three point shooting continues to be poor in the regular season, then defenses will adjust and sag which will clog the interior.


It’s tough to clog the interior if we beat you down the floor.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:28 pm    Post subject:

The 3 point shooting will come around just like last year.

Free throw shooting is already great, 75% is great when you're shooting 50 per game.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
29.6% so far. Down from 34.5% last season. LeBron is keeping the % from plummeting.


Yikes.

How many attempts per game this preseason compared to last year regular season?


2018 - 19 Preseason

23.0 attempts per game

The only teams with lower attempts per game are

Bejing Ducks
San Antonio Spurs
Haifa Maccabi
Shanghai Sharks


The teams with lower 3 point percentages (made)

Memphis
Chicago
Detroit
Phoenix
Washington

Perth Wildcats
Bejing Ducks
Brooklyn Nets
Boston Celtics

New Zealand Breakers
Melbourne United


2017 - 18 Regular Season

Last season, 29.1 attempts per game and 34.5% made.

percentage-wise, we have to be the worst or close to it for ft% and 3pt%. Even if not in the preseason, it will be within weeks of the seasons start.


hm. Total ft & 3pt points made / total possible. Could get ugly.....



It is possible that the going gets tough. During the preseason, there is probably a limited amount of defensive scheming by teams. If the three point shooting continues to be poor in the regular season, then defenses will adjust and sag which will clog the interior.


It’s tough to clog the interior if we beat you down the floor.



Overall, the improvementv versus the 2017 - 18 regular season haven't been that great.

Overall rank in ().

.............2018 - 19 Preseason......2017 - 18 Regular Season
PPG.............111.2 (#15)..................108.1 (#11)
Pace............113.6 (#3)....................100.97 (#3)
Off Rtg.........97.7 (#26)...................105.9 (#23)
Def Rtg.......101.6 (#16)...................107.2 (#13)
Net Rtg.........-3.9 (#24)....................-1.3 (#21)
EFG %..........50.2 (#16)....................51.7 (#16)
TS %...........55.2 (#15 tied)...............54.8 (#19 overall)



The sample size for the preseason is small when compared to the 82 games of the regular season. Some teams play international teams and some don't. Some teams go and play at the home turf of other teams and others not so much. Some teams are playing their starters quite a bit and others give quite a few minutes to bench players.


Overall, they need to improve in relation to other teams if they want to comfortably make the playoffs. Hanging around the middle in most of the team stats tends to make a team borderline for making the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:05 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
29.6% so far. Down from 34.5% last season. LeBron is keeping the % from plummeting.


Yikes.

How many attempts per game this preseason compared to last year regular season?


2018 - 19 Preseason

23.0 attempts per game

The only teams with lower attempts per game are

Bejing Ducks
San Antonio Spurs
Haifa Maccabi
Shanghai Sharks


The teams with lower 3 point percentages (made)

Memphis
Chicago
Detroit
Phoenix
Washington

Perth Wildcats
Bejing Ducks
Brooklyn Nets
Boston Celtics

New Zealand Breakers
Melbourne United


2017 - 18 Regular Season

Last season, 29.1 attempts per game and 34.5% made.

percentage-wise, we have to be the worst or close to it for ft% and 3pt%. Even if not in the preseason, it will be within weeks of the seasons start.


hm. Total ft & 3pt points made / total possible. Could get ugly.....



It is possible that the going gets tough. During the preseason, there is probably a limited amount of defensive scheming by teams. If the three point shooting continues to be poor in the regular season, then defenses will adjust and sag which will clog the interior.


It’s tough to clog the interior if we beat you down the floor.



Overall, the improvementv versus the 2017 - 18 regular season haven't been that great.

Overall rank in ().

.............2018 - 19 Preseason......2017 - 18 Regular Season
PPG.............111.2 (#15)..................108.1 (#11)
Pace............113.6 (#3)....................100.97 (#3)
Off Rtg.........97.7 (#26)...................105.9 (#23)
Def Rtg.......101.6 (#16)...................107.2 (#13)
Net Rtg.........-3.9 (#24)....................-1.3 (#21)
EFG %..........50.2 (#16)....................51.7 (#16)
TS %...........55.2 (#15 tied)...............54.8 (#19 overall)



The sample size for the preseason is small when compared to the 82 games of the regular season. Some teams play international teams and some don't. Some teams go and play at the home turf of other teams and others not so much. Some teams are playing their starters quite a bit and others give quite a few minutes to bench players.


Overall, they need to improve in relation to other teams if they want to comfortably make the playoffs. Hanging around the middle in most of the team stats tends to make a team borderline for making the playoffs.


LeBron has played 4/10 halves and Lonzo has played 2/10. Those stats don’t matter much to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:16 pm    Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
29.6% so far. Down from 34.5% last season. LeBron is keeping the % from plummeting.


Yikes.

How many attempts per game this preseason compared to last year regular season?


2018 - 19 Preseason

23.0 attempts per game

The only teams with lower attempts per game are

Bejing Ducks
San Antonio Spurs
Haifa Maccabi
Shanghai Sharks


The teams with lower 3 point percentages (made)

Memphis
Chicago
Detroit
Phoenix
Washington

Perth Wildcats
Bejing Ducks
Brooklyn Nets
Boston Celtics

New Zealand Breakers
Melbourne United


2017 - 18 Regular Season

Last season, 29.1 attempts per game and 34.5% made.

percentage-wise, we have to be the worst or close to it for ft% and 3pt%. Even if not in the preseason, it will be within weeks of the seasons start.


hm. Total ft & 3pt points made / total possible. Could get ugly.....



It is possible that the going gets tough. During the preseason, there is probably a limited amount of defensive scheming by teams. If the three point shooting continues to be poor in the regular season, then defenses will adjust and sag which will clog the interior.


It’s tough to clog the interior if we beat you down the floor.



Overall, the improvementv versus the 2017 - 18 regular season haven't been that great.

Overall rank in ().

.............2018 - 19 Preseason......2017 - 18 Regular Season
PPG.............111.2 (#15)..................108.1 (#11)
Pace............113.6 (#3)....................100.97 (#3)
Off Rtg.........97.7 (#26)...................105.9 (#23)
Def Rtg.......101.6 (#16)...................107.2 (#13)
Net Rtg.........-3.9 (#24)....................-1.3 (#21)
EFG %..........50.2 (#16)....................51.7 (#16)
TS %...........55.2 (#15 tied)...............54.8 (#19 overall)



The sample size for the preseason is small when compared to the 82 games of the regular season. Some teams play international teams and some don't. Some teams go and play at the home turf of other teams and others not so much. Some teams are playing their starters quite a bit and others give quite a few minutes to bench players.


Overall, they need to improve in relation to other teams if they want to comfortably make the playoffs. Hanging around the middle in most of the team stats tends to make a team borderline for making the playoffs.


LeBron has played 4/10 halves and Lonzo has played 2/10. Those stats don’t matter much to me.


We will have better 3 ball shooting percentage. With Lebron out there, he create so much attention that will result with open 3 ball everywhere. Most of our guys are better in catch and shoot situations anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:20 pm    Post subject:

Through 5 pre-season games, this is a huge problem. 29th in 3pt attempts, 23rd in percentage.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:22 pm    Post subject:

CRoost wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
29.6% so far. Down from 34.5% last season. LeBron is keeping the % from plummeting.


Yikes.

How many attempts per game this preseason compared to last year regular season?


2018 - 19 Preseason

23.0 attempts per game

The only teams with lower attempts per game are

Bejing Ducks
San Antonio Spurs
Haifa Maccabi
Shanghai Sharks


The teams with lower 3 point percentages (made)

Memphis
Chicago
Detroit
Phoenix
Washington

Perth Wildcats
Bejing Ducks
Brooklyn Nets
Boston Celtics

New Zealand Breakers
Melbourne United


2017 - 18 Regular Season

Last season, 29.1 attempts per game and 34.5% made.

percentage-wise, we have to be the worst or close to it for ft% and 3pt%. Even if not in the preseason, it will be within weeks of the seasons start.


hm. Total ft & 3pt points made / total possible. Could get ugly.....



It is possible that the going gets tough. During the preseason, there is probably a limited amount of defensive scheming by teams. If the three point shooting continues to be poor in the regular season, then defenses will adjust and sag which will clog the interior.


It’s tough to clog the interior if we beat you down the floor.



Overall, the improvementv versus the 2017 - 18 regular season haven't been that great.

Overall rank in ().

.............2018 - 19 Preseason......2017 - 18 Regular Season
PPG.............111.2 (#15)..................108.1 (#11)
Pace............113.6 (#3)....................100.97 (#3)
Off Rtg.........97.7 (#26)...................105.9 (#23)
Def Rtg.......101.6 (#16)...................107.2 (#13)
Net Rtg.........-3.9 (#24)....................-1.3 (#21)
EFG %..........50.2 (#16)....................51.7 (#16)
TS %...........55.2 (#15 tied)...............54.8 (#19 overall)



The sample size for the preseason is small when compared to the 82 games of the regular season. Some teams play international teams and some don't. Some teams go and play at the home turf of other teams and others not so much. Some teams are playing their starters quite a bit and others give quite a few minutes to bench players.


Overall, they need to improve in relation to other teams if they want to comfortably make the playoffs. Hanging around the middle in most of the team stats tends to make a team borderline for making the playoffs.


LeBron has played 4/10 halves and Lonzo has played 2/10. Those stats don’t matter much to me.


We will have better 3 ball shooting percentage. With Lebron out there, he create so much attention that will result with open 3 ball everywhere. Most of our guys are better in catch and shoot situations anyway.


True although the more important thing IMO is the amount of easy buckets we’ll get in transition
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject:

Again, a very real chance that both the three-point and free throw percentages will be even worse than they were last year.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:52 pm    Post subject:

DLo woulda fit well on this team tbh.. he wouldn't be the main go to guy & his role would've be simplified for the better
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:28 pm    Post subject:

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DLo woulda fit well on this team tbh.. he wouldn't be the main go to guy & his role would've be simplified for the better


Nope dude was horrible.

BI is the second scorer he will be fine
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DLo woulda fit well on this team tbh.. he wouldn't be the main go to guy & his role would've be simplified for the better

If he could stay healthy, I could see it. His defense looks improved, though it's only preseason.
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DA1 wrote:
DLo woulda fit well on this team tbh.. he wouldn't be the main go to guy & his role would've be simplified for the better


Nah . He’s too slow for our pace. He can spread the floor but he will be liability defensively.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:43 pm    Post subject:

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Through 5 pre-season games, this is a huge problem. 29th in 3pt attempts, 23rd in percentage.

It's preseason. Not saying it won't be an issue during the regular season, but it's preseason.

Walton literally scrapped the base offense he used for the first four preseason games for the fifth game. It's preseason.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:00 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The Lebrons wrote:
Through 5 pre-season games, this is a huge problem. 29th in 3pt attempts, 23rd in percentage.

It's preseason. Not saying it won't be an issue during the regular season, but it's preseason.

Walton literally scrapped the base offense he used for the first four preseason games for the fifth game. It's preseason.


Not to mention we stayed right there with the Warriors and in the first half they were def. putting the effort in. They could still obviously play better but considering we were still right there with shooting the 3 as horrible as we did showed flashes of the potential this team has.

My view is still about the same as it was before the pre-season started. I think by the time the playoffs roll around the only team I see this team having extreme troubles with is the Warriors.

I also dont think some people realize just how much better this team will be when at least one of Lebron, Ball and Rondo will be on the floor at all times. This is going to help tremendously getting guys in there right spots which can do nothing but help shooting percentages.

I understand people being concerned to a certain point but this is a team that is nearly all new players not to mention Lebron has only been playing a single half each game. This about as good of a stretch as you can get where stats mean absolutely nothing. There is going to be some major growing pains along the way for sure but no reason to freak out at this point.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:02 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The Lebrons wrote:
Through 5 pre-season games, this is a huge problem. 29th in 3pt attempts, 23rd in percentage.

It's preseason. Not saying it won't be an issue during the regular season, but it's preseason.

Walton literally scrapped the base offense he used for the first four preseason games for the fifth game. It's preseason.


You guys overreacting to small sample size preseason stats is hilarious, the Raptors won 59 games last year, now go ahead, tell me about all the great shooters they had...
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hype wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The Lebrons wrote:
Through 5 pre-season games, this is a huge problem. 29th in 3pt attempts, 23rd in percentage.

It's preseason. Not saying it won't be an issue during the regular season, but it's preseason.

Walton literally scrapped the base offense he used for the first four preseason games for the fifth game. It's preseason.


Not to mention we stayed right there with the Warriors and in the first half they were def. putting the effort in. They could still obviously play better but considering we were still right there with shooting the 3 as horrible as we did showed flashes of the potential this team has.

My view is still about the same as it was before the pre-season started. I think by the time the playoffs roll around the only team I see this team having extreme troubles with is the Warriors.

I also dont think some people realize just how much better this team will be when at least one of Lebron, Ball and Rondo will be on the floor at all times. This is going to help tremendously getting guys in there right spots which can do nothing but help shooting percentages.

I understand people being concerned to a certain point but this is a team that is nearly all new players not to mention Lebron has only been playing a single half each game. This about as good of a stretch as you can get where stats mean absolutely nothing. There is going to be some major growing pains along the way for sure but no reason to freak out at this point.

Magic seems to be building Showtime 2.0, which could seem trite on its face, but there's a comparative advantage to be had in running teams into the ground and creating advantages through passing just as the Warriors have distorted the league through generational shooting. The Lakers are going to win a good amount of games by trading 2s for 3s because they're going to get more 2s in the paint than several teams combined due to pace and passing. I admire the strategy.

Will it work in the playoffs? We'll have to see. But I would love to see the Lakers speed up the playoffs rather than watch games devolve into constant isos on switches. As for specific Western Conference matchups, the Lakers may have a bigger issue with rebounding and interior defense than perimeter shooting this season. The Rockets and Warriors without Boogie are less capable of exploiting the Lakers interior weakness and could present more manageable matchups than the Jazz or Nuggets in a playoff series.

And the Lakers are in year one of a two year build. I hope they break through early on the back of Lebron's brilliance and the youth taking a big collective jump, but they do have time and the resources to make necessary course corrections and build a championship contender by October 2019 around Lebron. Mo matter who they add through free agency, the draft, or via trades, hopefully the front office can truly build Showtime 2.0.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:12 pm    Post subject:

I see Kuz, Hart and Bease as the only real hopes for good 3 pt shooting this year.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:32 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
hype wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The Lebrons wrote:
Through 5 pre-season games, this is a huge problem. 29th in 3pt attempts, 23rd in percentage.

It's preseason. Not saying it won't be an issue during the regular season, but it's preseason.

Walton literally scrapped the base offense he used for the first four preseason games for the fifth game. It's preseason.


Not to mention we stayed right there with the Warriors and in the first half they were def. putting the effort in. They could still obviously play better but considering we were still right there with shooting the 3 as horrible as we did showed flashes of the potential this team has.

My view is still about the same as it was before the pre-season started. I think by the time the playoffs roll around the only team I see this team having extreme troubles with is the Warriors.

I also dont think some people realize just how much better this team will be when at least one of Lebron, Ball and Rondo will be on the floor at all times. This is going to help tremendously getting guys in there right spots which can do nothing but help shooting percentages.

I understand people being concerned to a certain point but this is a team that is nearly all new players not to mention Lebron has only been playing a single half each game. This about as good of a stretch as you can get where stats mean absolutely nothing. There is going to be some major growing pains along the way for sure but no reason to freak out at this point.

Magic seems to be building Showtime 2.0, which could seem trite on its face, but there's a comparative advantage to be had in running teams into the ground and creating advantages through passing just as the Warriors have distorted the league through generational shooting. The Lakers are going to win a good amount of games by trading 2s for 3s because they're going to get more 2s in the paint than several teams combined due to pace and passing. I admire the strategy.

Will it work in the playoffs? We'll have to see. But I would love to see the Lakers speed up the playoffs rather than watch games devolve into constant isos on switches. As for specific Western Conference matchups, the Lakers may have a bigger issue with rebounding and interior defense than perimeter shooting this season. The Rockets and Warriors without Boogie are less capable of exploiting the Lakers interior weakness and could present more manageable matchups than the Jazz or Nuggets in a playoff series.

And the Lakers are in year one of a two year build. I hope they break through early on the back of Lebron's brilliance and the youth taking a big collective jump, but they do have time and the resources to make necessary course corrections and build a championship contender by October 2019 around Lebron. Mo matter who they add through free agency, the draft, or via trades, hopefully the front office can truly build Showtime 2.0.

This is the most sensible take I've seen based on the info available. Most of the predictions about this team sound delusional to me otherwise. HIstorically, run and gun teams tend to lose eventually. And to teams like the Warriors. See, the problem is that it's not like the Warriors can't adjust to our style. But we don't have the talent to adjust to their style, should our preference not work. They are stacked with talent. They can take one of those amazing shooters and have him rebound or play defense. You can't take a good defender and ask him to all of a sudden hit threes like klay. That's the advantage. There's a reason why there might be 5 olympians from the warriors. That's crazy. That's more selective that all star starters.

Magic in the 80s only could do his thing because of all the stars (like the warriors now) around him. If those guys weren't there, he might have ended up just like Pistol Pete or worse (Pete was a scoring machine also). To do the 2.0 version of that is risky, as you say. We'll see if it works. But we just don't have that caliber of offense currently. Another reason why it might work is because the way the league is now, all the players are differently skilled than the 80s.

PS I do not agree on any kind of Lebron brilliance, of course. What have we seen so far? He talked about playing in the post, the few post moves he made were bricks and bad ones at that. He made that buzzer beater, which is basically just a fluke (it was nice). His playmaking has not stood above anyone else's on the team. His defense has been decent; as has almost the entire team. The thing I'm most excited for is seeing him pushing off with that off arm and getting calls in his favor. I like that a LOT. That is what gets us in the FInals.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:44 pm    Post subject:

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Through 5 pre-season games, this is a huge problem. 29th in 3pt attempts, 23rd in percentage.

It's preseason. Not saying it won't be an issue during the regular season, but it's preseason.

Walton literally scrapped the base offense he used for the first four preseason games for the fifth game. It's preseason.


Not to mention we stayed right there with the Warriors and in the first half they were def. putting the effort in. They could still obviously play better but considering we were still right there with shooting the 3 as horrible as we did showed flashes of the potential this team has.

My view is still about the same as it was before the pre-season started. I think by the time the playoffs roll around the only team I see this team having extreme troubles with is the Warriors.

I also dont think some people realize just how much better this team will be when at least one of Lebron, Ball and Rondo will be on the floor at all times. This is going to help tremendously getting guys in there right spots which can do nothing but help shooting percentages.

I understand people being concerned to a certain point but this is a team that is nearly all new players not to mention Lebron has only been playing a single half each game. This about as good of a stretch as you can get where stats mean absolutely nothing. There is going to be some major growing pains along the way for sure but no reason to freak out at this point.

Magic seems to be building Showtime 2.0, which could seem trite on its face, but there's a comparative advantage to be had in running teams into the ground and creating advantages through passing just as the Warriors have distorted the league through generational shooting. The Lakers are going to win a good amount of games by trading 2s for 3s because they're going to get more 2s in the paint than several teams combined due to pace and passing. I admire the strategy.

Will it work in the playoffs? We'll have to see. But I would love to see the Lakers speed up the playoffs rather than watch games devolve into constant isos on switches. As for specific Western Conference matchups, the Lakers may have a bigger issue with rebounding and interior defense than perimeter shooting this season. The Rockets and Warriors without Boogie are less capable of exploiting the Lakers interior weakness and could present more manageable matchups than the Jazz or Nuggets in a playoff series.

And the Lakers are in year one of a two year build. I hope they break through early on the back of Lebron's brilliance and the youth taking a big collective jump, but they do have time and the resources to make necessary course corrections and build a championship contender by October 2019 around Lebron. Mo matter who they add through free agency, the draft, or via trades, hopefully the front office can truly build Showtime 2.0.

This is the most sensible take I've seen based on the info available. Most of the predictions about this team sound delusional to me otherwise. HIstorically, run and gun teams tend to lose eventually. And to teams like the Warriors. See, the problem is that it's not like the Warriors can't adjust to our style. But we don't have the talent to adjust to their style, should our preference not work. They are stacked with talent. They can take one of those amazing shooters and have him rebound or play defense. You can't take a good defender and ask him to all of a sudden hit threes like klay. That's the advantage. There's a reason why there might be 5 olympians from the warriors. That's crazy. That's more selective that all star starters.

Magic in the 80s only could do his thing because of all the stars (like the warriors now) around him. If those guys weren't there, he might have ended up just like Pistol Pete or worse (Pete was a scoring machine also). To do the 2.0 version of that is risky, as you say. We'll see if it works. But we just don't have that caliber of offense currently. Another reason why it might work is because the way the league is now, all the players are differently skilled than the 80s.

PS I do not agree on any kind of Lebron brilliance, of course. What have we seen so far? He talked about playing in the post, the few post moves he made were bricks and bad ones at that. He made that buzzer beater, which is basically just a fluke (it was nice). His playmaking has not stood above anyone else's on the team. His defense has been decent; as has almost the entire team. The thing I'm most excited for is seeing him pushing off with that off arm and getting calls in his favor. I like that a LOT. That is what gets us in the FInals.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:37 pm    Post subject:

^That's not an appropriate response. Attack the post, not the poster.. no matter how frustrated or annoyed you get.
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