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The Juggernaut
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| PlantedTanks wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | | Those same advanced stats that these Zubac defenders use are the same stats that showed Ingram was an awful player last year. Use your eyes, Zubac is a bum. Magic and Pelinka guaranteeing his contract doesn't mean he doesn't suck, it means they thought he would get better and improve and they were wrong or they thought he sucked less than Thomas Bryant. |
So when do we use stats as part of the process? When it is convenient to fit your narrative?
He was sick for a good part of training camp yet came back to play fairly well for the most part according to Dancing Berry's game analysis. Does DB's eyes deceive him? Do we trust DB? For the most part I do.
The season has not even started and you proclaim he is has not improved? Interesting.
Sucked less than Thomas Byrant or they thought he was better than Thomas Bryant. Semantics.
I am realistic. Don't expect an all-star and not necessarily a starter but he can be a rotation player with a positive impact on the court.
Btw I trust my eyes more than any other here. However I don't dismiss facts or never change my opinion when a solid argument is made. Use your eyes is not a solid argument.
I was asked by a poster to show the analytics. Well I did yet it is dismissed and that poster conveniently disregards the numbers in his follow up post because he cannot refute the numbers.
So back to my first questions. When do we use stats as part of the process? When it fits your narrative? |
When you watch Zu play are you impressed? Do you think what you see from him on the court is reflected by those numbers? Using those stats to prove Zu is a good player is foolish. He played like 9 MPG and less than 45 games.
You have yet to reply to my criticisms of Zu's actual on court play. Simply posting up numbers doesn't provide the context of his play. |
Just off the top of my head.
My eyes tell me he has more effective post moves than most young centers in the game. Not as good a J Okafor but pretty damn good.
He is a very good mid-range shooter also reflected by his FT%.
He is a good rebounder since his 1st year and is a good not great rim protector.
He has trouble defending on switches as most centers and power forwards do. Will body up defending in the post and as he gets stronger (only 21) will continue to improve in this area.
Will not be a good 3pt shooter as his shot is flat but it works mid-range.
Very effective on pick and pops with his mid-range and as has been mentioned by others in PNR.
Not a fast runner but surely faster than Brook Lopez and similar to other centers like him (Gortat, Gasol, Adams).
Average to below average vertical but has a good wing span.
Yes numbers don't give the full context but neither just stating what your eyes tell you. Are you going to dismiss all the numbers? Stats + my eyes (see above) tells me he has potential to be a solid rotation player given his age and being an Intl. |
Only thing I agree with you on is he's a solid PnR roll man and rebounder. Other than that we will have to agree to disagree. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:51 am Post subject: |
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This is a lot of energy for our backup big boy boy Zu.
AND I LOVE IT!
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PlantedTanks
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | This is a lot of energy for our backup big boy boy Zu.
AND I LOVE IT! |
That says a lot coming from one of the most informative and surely entertaining posters on this board. |
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LakersRGolden
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it's about to get real as the other teams ratchet up the minutes for their starting centers and we can't do the same with McGee.
It's put up or shut up & sit down time for Zu and the midgets. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| PlantedTanks wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | This is a lot of energy for our backup big boy boy Zu.
AND I LOVE IT! |
That says a lot coming from one of the most informative and surely entertaining posters on this board. |
I'm enjoying your Zu takes. Much appreciated!
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Tonight might be the last straw. 
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Tonight might be the last straw. |
Rough time to get minutes, but in year three, can't get five fouls in five minutes.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The camel's back is... |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely humiliating minutes. He's not an NBA player.
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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10.22.18.
R.I.P.
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rak617
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| I used to think Pau is soft at times when he played for Lakers. But wow.....this guy is ultra soft |
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GonzagaAlum
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Enjoy a nice career in europe Zu
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | 10.22.18.
R.I.P. |
Yea, just doesn't look like NBA material. |
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Fracture
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| He's done. |
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dcarter4kobe
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Big Zu fan but yeah his days might be numbered. Williams should be our back up 5
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Chad09
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | 10.22.18.
R.I.P. |
😂 |
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LakerLand247
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Zu is done. Luckily there's a yogurt land in every city. |
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LonzoLegend2
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Bring back BYNUM!!! CUT ZU ASAP!! |
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Capt.Skyhook
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| It's time to cut ties with Zu. Nice kid but he proved for the upteenth time he is not an NBA player. He's not even capable of spot minutes. |
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markjay
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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I have been one of Zu's biggest fan, but I guess I was wrong. Who knows, he may turn into an NBA player in a few years, but the Lakers don't have time to wait. It looks like they should have re-signed BroLo or Randle.
I'm guessing now that their plan is to trade for AD at the end of the season. Do you think Ingram+Kuzma+two firsts gets it done? I'd hate to give up Hart or Lonzo. |
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PRLakeShow
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| He's done, unfortunately. Just not an NBA player, at least not an NBA player in today's league. I would waive him tonight and start looking for someone who can actually contribute. |
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Hydro21
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Should of let Zu go and kept Thomas Bryant . |
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Judah
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Williams has small ball five potential, but the Lakers still need a five with traditional size. It's always been clear that Zubac is not the answer, though. We didn't even need tonight's game for confirmation. But they should probably keep him until they've zeroed in on a guy who they believe can play that roll for them. Williams' time with the team will be limited anyways since he's on a two-way deal.
I actually do think Bynum is worth exploring. What do they have to lose?
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El Seano
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Love Zu but I think his door is rapidly closing. 3rd year player shouldn't get 5 fouls in 4 minutes. I think his best case scenario is sticking around until December and being a throw in with a larger trade. |
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panamaniac
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Zu what a let down bro. Was on his corner all this time. Might be time to move on tho. |
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