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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Team Needs |
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BlackStarMamba wrote: | Shooting Coach
Defense Coach
3 point Shooters
Rebounders
what else? |
Congratulations! You win an award for being the 100th fan to start a new thread declaring the team needs improvement in its defense, shooting and rebounding.
We will not hand out another award until someone starts the 200th thread on this same topic, which shouldn't happened for at least another couple of hours.
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Nobody Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Rebounding and defense. |
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LuciusAllen Star Player
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sonic the laker wrote: | Team needs cohesion, which takes time... |
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aFFie Starting Rotation
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Raptors are 6-1 with Kawhi's performance. Seemingly they didn't need that much time. |
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Startrout Star Player
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Rome wasn’t build in a day. |
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aFFie wrote: | Raptors are 6-1 with Kawhi's performance. Seemingly they didn't need that much time. |
Toronto is actually playing worse than last year. They are ranked 6th on offense and 11th on defense, compared to 2nd/5th last year when their record was 59-23 (third best in the league). They started the season with a really easy schedule, which is why their current winning percentage is higher. |
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BlackStarMamba Star Player
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bandiger wrote: | Where can we find a athletic hustle/defense guy like Nance? I miss that. Maginka really dropped the ball here. If you want to be the "anti-GSW/Rockets" get better defensive players |
Johnathan Williams fits the mold, no? _________________ I got Nothing interesting to put here |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Less Rondo or better yet, no Rondo.
A Front Office that realizes it is 2018 and 1988. |
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Staccatos Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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And get a coaching coach. Bring someone in to mentor Luke cuz he ain't figuring it out on his own. |
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bandiger Franchise Player
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BlackStarMamba wrote: | bandiger wrote: | Where can we find a athletic hustle/defense guy like Nance? I miss that. Maginka really dropped the ball here. If you want to be the "anti-GSW/Rockets" get better defensive players |
Johnathan Williams fits the mold, no? |
Yeah plays like Nance was doing at the 5 too. This team really needs a legit center |
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Again what I've said about Luke.
Whenever it comes to the "Phil disciples" the ones that miss the point always fall short as NBA Coaches.
Kerr understood it, and thats why he replicated it.
Phil Jackson came into a situation Doug Collins had built and implemented what he did with it as well as his philosophies and other things. BUT Phil also surrounded himself with the proper staff and he had Tex Winter working with him on the all important X's and O's as well as integrating a proper offense and allowing Phil to focus on the 'coaching' while surrounded by people that understood other things better and letting them do their thing. While Phil, because of that, could focus on and maximize his.
Kurt Rambis didn't do that.. he just assumed "triangle wins" and he failed.
The New York Knicks went with the same "triangle wins" approach, and they failed.
Now what did Steve Kerr do? He walked into a situation in Golden State that Mark Jackson had built, but implemented what he did with it as well as his philosophies and other things. BUT Kerr also surrounded himself with the proper staff and he had Alvin Gentry working with him and implementing D'Antoni's Suns offense into what the Warriors did, where Kerr also added some of the triangle and Phil's philosophies in addition to it, but let Gentry handle that aspect of the offense. He also brought in Ron Adams. Kerr has surrounded himself with the people that understand things better than he does, and thus allows him to focus on the coaching and the mental/philosophical aspect of it. This allowed him to maximize talent and not get overwhelmed by too many things he didn't have as strong a grip on.
When Luke was thrust into the same situation with the Warriors, he thrived as well, again, all he had to do was focus on the coaching, but the offense was already taken care of, Ron Adams had already the other stuff taken care of, and all Luke had to do was manage the personalities and let things flow, and only make 'slight' implementations and ideas. THAT is why he succeeded. He was in a Kerr/Phil-like situation, though it was not by his own choosing, and THAT is the major flaw.
Because once Luke got here, and was tasked with building from the ground up, he didn't surround himself like Phil and Kerr did, he surrounded himself with besties, Arizona alum, and yes men. He puts himself in charge of everything from a basketball and on the court perspective, and tries to balance doing everything else. He's taking the Kurt Rambis approach, and he is failing and holding this team back, because of it.
Those little things that Phil and Kerr did, both walking into an already solid situation are why they succeeded, and the staff was a big reason for it, because it allowed them to focus on their strengths.
Luke tries to coach as if his strengths are everywhere, when they are not, his strengths are what Kerr's and Phil's were, in terms of a coaching style, the problem is, in addition to that he also assumes he doesn't need to surround himself with the proper coaching staff or X"s and O's guys because he thinks he can handle it. Kerr and Phil were both smart enough to know they wouldn't have, and that is why they thrived, and Luke and the other Phil disciples that have gone down that path, have failed.
If Luke never figures that out, he won't be much longer for this team, and for good reason. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Lakeshow323 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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A coach who has a clue on what he's doing. |
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cthroatgtr Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Perimeter shooting is obvious, but not as bad as it would appear. What the team is missing most is inside muscle. They are getting killed on the glass teams just move them around.
Its not all bad. Though a terrible 2-4 record their point differential is minuscule teams with worst have better records. To me that bodes well long term they are close, just losing the close games. Could easily be 4-2 instead of 2-4. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Team Needs |
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activeverb wrote: | BlackStarMamba wrote: | Shooting Coach
Defense Coach
3 point Shooters
Rebounders
what else? |
Congratulations! You win an award for being the 100th fan to start a new thread declaring the team needs improvement in its defense, shooting and rebounding.
We will not hand out another award until someone starts the 200th thread on this same topic, which shouldn't happened for at least another couple of hours.
Only one award per household, please. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Only thing the team needs is defense. |
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Staccatos Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:31 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Because once Luke got here, and was tasked with building from the ground up, he didn't surround himself like Phil and Kerr did, he surrounded himself with besties, Arizona alum, and yes men. He puts himself in charge of everything from a basketball and on the court perspective, and tries to balance doing everything else. He's taking the Kurt Rambis approach, and he is failing and holding this team back, because of it.
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Absolutely need changes on this coaching staff and the sooner the better.
If your ship is leaking, you don't wait until everything is underwater. |
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:18 am Post subject: |
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To win |
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noahp45 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Team Needs |
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activeverb wrote: | BlackStarMamba wrote: | Shooting Coach
Defense Coach
3 point Shooters
Rebounders
what else? |
Congratulations! You win an award for being the 100th fan to start a new thread declaring the team needs improvement in its defense, shooting and rebounding.
We will not hand out another award until someone starts the 200th thread on this same topic, which shouldn't happened for at least another couple of hours.
Only one award per household, please. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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1 full season.
1 Max FA signing. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
https://lakersdraft.substack.com/
I am not an economic advisor nor do I advise economic strategies or plans. |
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splashmtn Star Player
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MJST wrote: | Again what I've said about Luke.
Whenever it comes to the "Phil disciples" the ones that miss the point always fall short as NBA Coaches.
Kerr understood it, and thats why he replicated it.
Phil Jackson came into a situation Doug Collins had built and implemented what he did with it as well as his philosophies and other things. BUT Phil also surrounded himself with the proper staff and he had Tex Winter working with him on the all important X's and O's as well as integrating a proper offense and allowing Phil to focus on the 'coaching' while surrounded by people that understood other things better and letting them do their thing. While Phil, because of that, could focus on and maximize his.
Kurt Rambis didn't do that.. he just assumed "triangle wins" and he failed.
The New York Knicks went with the same "triangle wins" approach, and they failed.
Now what did Steve Kerr do? He walked into a situation in Golden State that Mark Jackson had built, but implemented what he did with it as well as his philosophies and other things. BUT Kerr also surrounded himself with the proper staff and he had Alvin Gentry working with him and implementing D'Antoni's Suns offense into what the Warriors did, where Kerr also added some of the triangle and Phil's philosophies in addition to it, but let Gentry handle that aspect of the offense. He also brought in Ron Adams. Kerr has surrounded himself with the people that understand things better than he does, and thus allows him to focus on the coaching and the mental/philosophical aspect of it. This allowed him to maximize talent and not get overwhelmed by too many things he didn't have as strong a grip on.
When Luke was thrust into the same situation with the Warriors, he thrived as well, again, all he had to do was focus on the coaching, but the offense was already taken care of, Ron Adams had already the other stuff taken care of, and all Luke had to do was manage the personalities and let things flow, and only make 'slight' implementations and ideas. THAT is why he succeeded. He was in a Kerr/Phil-like situation, though it was not by his own choosing, and THAT is the major flaw.
Because once Luke got here, and was tasked with building from the ground up, he didn't surround himself like Phil and Kerr did, he surrounded himself with besties, Arizona alum, and yes men. He puts himself in charge of everything from a basketball and on the court perspective, and tries to balance doing everything else. He's taking the Kurt Rambis approach, and he is failing and holding this team back, because of it.
Those little things that Phil and Kerr did, both walking into an already solid situation are why they succeeded, and the staff was a big reason for it, because it allowed them to focus on their strengths.
Luke tries to coach as if his strengths are everywhere, when they are not, his strengths are what Kerr's and Phil's were, in terms of a coaching style, the problem is, in addition to that he also assumes he doesn't need to surround himself with the proper coaching staff or X"s and O's guys because he thinks he can handle it. Kerr and Phil were both smart enough to know they wouldn't have, and that is why they thrived, and Luke and the other Phil disciples that have gone down that path, have failed.
If Luke never figures that out, he won't be much longer for this team, and for good reason. | you do realize non of what you just said has anything to with if we win games with our current roster or not right? You do realize to judge luke on the phil and kerr scale. you need to give luke multiple allstars and multiple hall of famers. once that is done. then you can have this conversation. until then. thats an apples to sushi comparison. |
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Mike@LG wrote: | 1 full season.
1 Max FA signing. | yep, and we're good to go after that. |
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