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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:04 am    Post subject:

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Svi has taken 5 shots and people keep calling him the Machine

Sasha shot 1451 shots and though he ultimately was a disappointment... he did shoot 44% one year and 37% for his career.

It's too early to predict if Svi will match his Kansas form but he shot 44.4% from three for the team with 2nd most difficult schedule, and was the highest of any regular in division 1.

To extrapolate that he will become Sasha after 5 shots is completely ludicrous

For one thing, even if all he did was become Sasha... it would still be a 37% career shooter, which is someone we could use... but his college career foreshadows the numbers of someone like Ray Allen, Steph, or Korver.

44.4% against the 2nd hardest schedule in division 1 isn't a fluke.
At worst, I think he will be a good sub off the bench.

It's baffling that some of you want to reject him after 5 shots when we are literally starving for service from three.


I don't believe he will get the consistent minutes this season to find his rhythm and develop consistency with his 3 pt shot. If anything wait till further in the season when minutes possibly open due to injuries, resting players or trades occur.


I agree with your assessment, but I'm confused by lack of scientific method by some who believe Lance will become a bonafide star after 900 shots shooting 30% from three and Svi will become a bust after 5 shots.

Obviously Lance has played well, and displays some entertaining street ball moves, but statistics don't bear out long term success.

I'm not saying Svi will definitely become great, but statistically speaking the potential is there and should be explored.

Again so many confuse swagger and flair for actual skill.

Drives me nuts.


I guess the one positive factor to consider with improvement in Lance's 3 pt shot is he supposedly changed his shooting stroke over the summer. I haven't done a before/after comparison but so far the stats are in his favor.

I have not read all the comments but no not a star.

In regards to Svi and his 5 attempts I believe he will be fine after he settles in.

I don't heavily consider college credentials/stats but more on their skill set (shooting form, athleticism, handles, other factors) and Svi is average to above average in this respect with possible elite shooting and that for me is an NBA player. Just 21 and still developing.

2 caveats.
I am a Zu supporter so take my analysis with a grain of salt lol.

I believe I was the first to mention in the draft thread we should consider drafting Bonga even at 25. Saw the talent in the little video that was available. Felt similar to how you feel after summer league with all the negative comments. But look now. Just got to be patient.

Likewise I am patient on Zu but Luke may never give him the opportunity to show whether he belongs or not. A lot of bashing for 7 minutes of play so far.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:38 am    Post subject:

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Svi has taken 5 shots and people keep calling him the Machine

Sasha shot 1451 shots and though he ultimately was a disappointment... he did shoot 44% one year and 37% for his career.

It's too early to predict if Svi will match his Kansas form but he shot 44.4% from three for the team with 2nd most difficult schedule, and was the highest of any regular in division 1.

To extrapolate that he will become Sasha after 5 shots is completely ludicrous

For one thing, even if all he did was become Sasha... it would still be a 37% career shooter, which is someone we could use... but his college career foreshadows the numbers of someone like Ray Allen, Steph, or Korver.

44.4% against the 2nd hardest schedule in division 1 isn't a fluke.
At worst, I think he will be a good sub off the bench.

It's baffling that some of you want to reject him after 5 shots when we are literally starving for service from three.


I don't believe he will get the consistent minutes this season to find his rhythm and develop consistency with his 3 pt shot. If anything wait till further in the season when minutes possibly open due to injuries, resting players or trades occur.


I agree with your assessment, but I'm confused by lack of scientific method by some who believe Lance will become a bonafide star after 900 shots shooting 30% from three and Svi will become a bust after 5 shots.

Obviously Lance has played well, and displays some entertaining street ball moves, but statistics don't bear out long term success.

I'm not saying Svi will definitely become great, but statistically speaking the potential is there and should be explored.

Again so many confuse swagger and flair for actual skill.

Drives me nuts.


I guess the one positive factor to consider with improvement in Lance's 3 pt shot is he supposedly changed his shooting stroke over the summer. I haven't done a before/after comparison but so far the stats are in his favor.

I have not read all the comments but no not a star.

In regards to Svi and his 5 attempts I believe he will be fine after he settles in.

I don't heavily consider college credentials/stats but more on their skill set (shooting form, athleticism, handles, other factors) and Svi is average to above average in this respect with possible elite shooting and that for me is an NBA player. Just 21 and still developing.

2 caveats.
I am a Zu supporter so take my analysis with a grain of salt lol.

I believe I was the first to mention in the draft thread we should consider drafting Bonga even at 25. Saw the talent in the little video that was available. Felt similar to how you feel after summer league with all the negative comments. But look now. Just got to be patient.

Likewise I am patient on Zu but Luke may never give him the opportunity to show whether he belongs or not. A lot of bashing for 7 minutes of play so far.


I think Lance has been good, and I can see how other players in the league respect him. He seems like a very skilled street ball player who can dominate most in a one on one pickup game. I just don't know after 8 years if he can sustain this quality of play after only doing so for maybe one or two seasons in the past. My point isn't to put down Lance, but more to wonder why people believe he will maintain this efficiency when no history supports this, yet have quit on Svi after 5 shots.

I also believed in Zu as a rookie... but have become very concerned after watching the preseason and even his bad game against Aldridge.

I see that he has some moves, he has size, and he can block a little.

But what concerns me is the lack of progress. With Svi even though he's been terrible as a shooter... he hasn't ruined the team in the limited minutes he's been out on the floor... he's worked hard and made a few nice passes. Zu has been a complete liability defensively, much worse than Williams which shouldn't happen at this point.

I would continue to give Zu minutes in garbage time but I'm not optimistic unless he goes through some Rocky Balboa physical transformation.

If someone worked on his conditioning and strength... maybe he can become an NBA player... but I'm not sure why this hasn't already taken place.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:34 am    Post subject:

He should be over KCP and Lance.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:39 am    Post subject:

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He should be over KCP and Lance.


He has proven he can stay in front of his man on defense, and is a smart passer.

His shooting is only a matter of time.

Luke needs to keep having the courage to put him in, and Svi needs the courage to stop choking.

We have the solution to our 3 point woes, only the NBA doesn't know it yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:22 am    Post subject:

His defense has looked solid.. But for a "shooter" he really has not shot well.. IF he wants any minutes he needs to be a deadeye shooter that we can count on to hit the open shot
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:39 am    Post subject:

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His defense has looked solid.. But for a "shooter" he really has not shot well.. IF he wants any minutes he needs to be a deadeye shooter that we can count on to hit the open shot


He's shot 7 shots from 3.

Klay shot less than 20% on his first 36 shots over 7 games then went on to have his record setting game.

Shooters must keep shooting.

It's pointless to let someone like Lance keep shooting because he will most likely regress to his 30% mean from three.

Svi on the other hand will likely become a 40% shooter.

Luke to his credit has tried to sneak Svi in the lineup as much as possible and Svi has choked shooting wise. At least he's seemed to control his turnovers and has proven not to be a liability on defense and made some clever passes.

Luke must let Svi keep shooting. I'm hoping we get some blowout games (in our favor) so Luke can let him play.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:57 pm    Post subject:

Bench Stephenson and play Mykhailiuk. Mykhailiuk lacks experience, sure, but he’s probably already the better defender, and he is most definitely the much better shooter.

We all love Stephenson for energy and theatrics, but it’s time to be practical with these lineups. Stephenson doesn’t fit in a lineup with Rondo, Mykhailiuk does.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:19 am    Post subject:

Svi is quietly becoming one of my favorite players. Love how that while being known as a 3 point specialist he is still able to ball if his shot is not falling by putting the ball on the floor and getting into the paint for the score or smart pass. And then his defense has been underrated... does a decent job keeping players in front of him and makes the effort to contest jumpshots
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo Ball Tweaks Ankle
“We felt last year when (Lonzo) got hurt, we were searching for that guy, we finally put Brandon at point guard and that kind of helped us get going again,” said Walton. “This year, we have options to go to if he is out, or if later in the season if other people get hurt, we have guys who we’re very confident can play that point guard position for us. From Brandon, to LeBron (James), to Lance (Stephenson), even Svi (Mykhailiuk), I mean Svi played point guard for his (Ukrainian) national team. We have a lot of guys we feel confident with.”

https://www.nba.com/lakers/news/181109-lonzo-ball-tweaks-ankle
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:50 pm    Post subject:

Svi, the rondo injury might he a blessing in disguise for you.
Time to bring that practice time 3 ball to regular games.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:28 am    Post subject:

He will get some playing time during this period. Hopefully he will play better this time
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:21 pm    Post subject:

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He will get some playing time during this period. Hopefully he will play better this time


Is he assigned to South Bay again? They play tonight and tomorrow, so hopefully if he is he can use those two games to get his confidence going. He had a pretty ugly first game for South Bay in his first run with them, only starting to heat up in the second half, but there was still a lot of pressure on him since Lebron and some of the other Lakers were there watching. I feel like if he can just see the ball go through the hoop for him consistently in a real game, even a GLeague one, it would get him going and give him the confidence to knock down shots like he was in SL.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject:

In the limited minutes played, Svi hasn’t looked good. He should never dribble and his 3’s are bricking. I’ll chalk that up to nerves and being a rookie though. He was great in Summer League.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject:

If they aren't going to play him he should be getting reps on the SBL rather than rotting on the bench with us.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:29 pm    Post subject:

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If they aren't going to play him he should be getting reps on the SBL rather than rotting on the bench with us.


If it was last year I would agree, but I think sitting on the bench with all the vets could be as valuable. A few SBL games will help but I want him primarily with the real team.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:37 pm    Post subject:

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In the limited minutes played, Svi hasn’t looked good. He should never dribble and his 3’s are bricking. I’ll chalk that up to nerves and being a rookie though. He was great in Summer League.


And in limited minutes, Lance has looked good.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:21 pm    Post subject:

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If they aren't going to play him he should be getting reps on the SBL rather than rotting on the bench with us.


If it was last year I would agree, but I think sitting on the bench with all the vets could be as valuable. A few SBL games will help but I want him primarily with the real team.


I don’t think there is much stopping the Lakers from sending him to the GLeague whenever they want and having him come back to the main team for real games, so long as the games don’t fall on the same night, of course. I remember the team doing something similar with other players in the past.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:19 pm    Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:
MJST wrote:
If they aren't going to play him he should be getting reps on the SBL rather than rotting on the bench with us.


If it was last year I would agree, but I think sitting on the bench with all the vets could be as valuable. A few SBL games will help but I want him primarily with the real team.


If he can’t stroke it in real game by trade deadline then he will ride the pine this season. I have faith with this dude though. Form looks good but release is a little slow. Need to stroke it a little faster especially with that short wingspan.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:33 am    Post subject:

new to the thread. quick questions

is Svi part timer on the gleague?

if no why not?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:34 am    Post subject:

ChickenBeckerman wrote:
new to the thread. quick questions

is Svi part timer on the gleague?

if no why not?


Svi has played in at least one G league game, so he is splitting time between both teams.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject:

RCS926 wrote:
ChickenBeckerman wrote:
new to the thread. quick questions

is Svi part timer on the gleague?

if no why not?


Svi has played in at least one G league game, so he is splitting time between both teams.


Good to hear. Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject:

He should get more minutes next game
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:04 am    Post subject:

As soon as kuzma misses a second three in a game it's time to take him out and put in someone like svi. The lineups are way way way too static
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:05 am    Post subject:

Chronicle wrote:
As soon as kuzma misses a second three in a game it's time to take him out and put in someone like svi. The lineups are way way way too static


Agree
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