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BigBallerBrand Star Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:55 pm Post subject: How likely is it that both Hart and Kuzma will become better players than Lonzo? |
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Depends. Time will tell.
Hard to say now though no? |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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who knows...they are both likely closer to what they will become than Lonzo based on age....Lonzo just turned 21 years old....Kyle and Josh are 2.5 years older. |
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Harlemlakerfan Star Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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As long as they are wearing a Lakers uniform, I'm cool with them being better than Lonzo. That helps the team and that's the bottom line. |
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hype Star Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I would say Low tbh.. Lonzo tonight was horrible shooting but he still had several fantastic defensive plays neither of those guys could make..
In the end though I could care less and this thread feels more like bait then anything. I just want to see them all succeed and let the cards fall where they fall instead of trying to discredit others along the way. |
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BruceWayne Sixth Man
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Will become?? |
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KobeDunk Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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They already are. Lonzo should go play with his brothers on that bbb USA team |
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dont_be_a_wuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Offensively, ignoring assists, yes. |
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RusselDoeee01 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Ball has star potential. Kuz and Hart likely won’t ever be all stars but very solid role players. |
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Judah Star Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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All three of them are completely different players who play completely different roles, so what would ”better” even look like? The only two things that Kuz and Hart do better than Lonzo is scoring and shooting, but even shooting is somewhat of a question mark. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:11 am Post subject: Re: How likely is it that both Hart and Kuzma will become better players than Lonzo? |
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BigBallerBrand wrote: | When it’s all said and done? |
Too early to predict.
That said, Kuz may have the least upside of the three. He's looking fairly one-dimensional at this point
Hart is probably the easiest guy to get hot and bothered by, but that maybe due a lot to the fact that he's played less than the others so it's easier to project/fantacize what he may become. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Lower floors (due to age/3-4 years college players) but also lower ceilings IMO.
BI/Lonzo are so young that it's too soon to determine what their respective ceilings will be. They're also fundamentally different type of players. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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eddiejonze Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Never, because they are already are who they are because of their age. Lonzo truly has a chance to change/add to his game a bit because he is still raw clay. _________________ Creatures crawl in search of blood, To terrorize y'alls neighborhood. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Not likely. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Add Isaac “The Savior GOAT” Bonga to your question. |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:10 am Post subject: Re: How likely is it that both Hart and Kuzma will become better players than Lonzo? |
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activeverb wrote: | BigBallerBrand wrote: | When it’s all said and done? |
Too early to predict.
That said, Kuz may have the least upside of the three. He's looking fairly one-dimensional at this point
Hart is probably the easiest guy to get hot and bothered by, but that maybe due a lot to the fact that he's played less than the others so it's easier to project/fantacize what he may become. |
Oh, it’s never too early to make a prediction on a message board. The fundamental problem is that collectively we would have a hard time agreeing on what makes one player better than another, unless the difference is substantial.
For example, I can imagine Kuzma becoming a guy who averages 20-25 points, but is not unusually efficient, is not a three point shooter, and contributes nothing else. That is more or less what he is right now. Some people would consider that to be valuable because they put a premium on scoring.
So suppose that Ball becomes a guy who averages 12-14 points with 6-8 assists, 5-6 rebounds, and above average defense. Is hypothetical Ball better or worse than hypothetical Kuzma? Some people would consider hypothetical Ball to be better because they put a premium on non-scoring production.
These are illustrations, not predictions. Just the same, neither illustration is unrealistic. If you could combine them into one player, you’d have an all-star. Their strengths and weaknesses don’t overlap. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:14 am Post subject: |
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I'm starting to think Lonzo won't reach his ceiling until he has a change of scenery. I don't think our roster fits him. He needs to be on a team like Orlando. |
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LakersRGolden Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Hart has a chance if he can straighten out his D outside of the post.
Not sure what would realistically change for Kuzma to put him over the top. |
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PROPHET Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo is what he is, ultimate glue guy. He's not a superstar nor will he ever be. He doesn't have that offensive talent but he can still be impactful. Just wish we didn't select him #2. |
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splashmtn Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:00 am Post subject: Re: How likely is it that both Hart and Kuzma will become better players than Lonzo? |
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BigBallerBrand wrote: | When it’s all said and done? | odds are they wont assuming no injury to any of the 3.
people are just in love with 3's and scoring. if the guy aint doing those two things at a high level they assume the player sucks.
notice how they didnt care Kuz was horrible on defense last year and how bad josh is on defense on the perimeter this year. no one cares. as long as the 3 hits or the points add up. |
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splashmtn Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:01 am Post subject: |
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lonzobryant wrote: | I'm starting to think Lonzo won't reach his ceiling until he has a change of scenery. I don't think our roster fits him. He needs to be on a team like Orlando. | no. he needs to be on a team with some shooters obviously. but he also needs to get longer stints on the floor. he gets in a groove when he's out there for awhile. but if not. he has not figured out how to strike quickly and often within a short time span. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:03 am Post subject: |
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splashmtn wrote: | lonzobryant wrote: | I'm starting to think Lonzo won't reach his ceiling until he has a change of scenery. I don't think our roster fits him. He needs to be on a team like Orlando. | no. he needs to be on a team with some shooters obviously. but he also needs to get longer stints on the floor. he gets in a groove when he's out there for awhile. but if not. he has not figured out how to strike quickly and often within a short time span. |
He needs to be more assertive, run the offense thru him when he gets the ball, kinda like young Rondo with KG/Ray/Pierce |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:30 am Post subject: |
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RusselDoeee01 wrote: | Ball has star potential. Kuz and Hart likely won’t ever be all stars but very solid role players. |
Kuzma's about 3-4 ppg away from being an all star |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:47 am Post subject: |
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I always thought Zo would become a Mini-Lebron. Now I’ll settle for a slightly smaller, faster, non-vocal Draymond Green.
I do think he was playing well last night though. |
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