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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:22 pm    Post subject:

durden-tyler wrote:
That's what's happening for most teams, not only the Lakers...
Give the ball to the best player and see what happens...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:24 pm    Post subject:

Yup. And some teams happen to have 3 of the best shooters of ALL TIME on the same team.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject:

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Every team goes ISO ball late in games because you’re trying to create as efficient a shot as possible and limit turnovers.


ISO is not working for the Lakers.

Here are the numbers and link to the stats:

https://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/?sort=PPP&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=TeamNameAbbreviation*E*Lal

Code:

Player      ISOpg  PPP   TOFreq   Percentile
Ball        0.3    2.50  0.0%     
Rondo       1.0    1.00  0.0%
Stephenson  1.9    1.00  6.7%     60.0
Ingram      1.5    1.00  30.0%    30.6
James       3.8    0.60  10.0%    14.5
KCP         0.1    0.00  0.0%
McGee       0.3    0.00  25.0%
Kuzma       0.5    0.00  25.0%
Hart        0.4    0.00  0.0%


ISOpg = isolations per game
PPP = points per possession
TOfreq = turnover frequency
percentile = Synergy rank requires min plays to be ranked

Lakers need a half-court offense that isn't all ISO. Luke? Anyone?

EDIT: sorry the link truncates the filter for just team LAL at the end


Dang fam!
Lonzo needs to ISO more.


Lonzo iso's so little so his PPP is not realistic are out of whack, My point though is Lebron doing ISO has resulted in terrible offensive efficiency (amongst the league worst) for the Lakers


Yea. I was joking about Lonzo iso'ing. If they don't have a percentile, you pretty much know the frequency is too low to qualify.

And yes. Lebron iso'ing has been horrendous. He's been settling for jumpers. But I'm not worrying much till the 2nd half of the season.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject:

It worked when we had Kobe, but Lebron shooting an ugly 30' to be the hero just isn't going to work. Drive and create instead. Run a P&R, go to the hoop and get a foul. Any of those are better options but I'm thinking Lebron desires to win over the fans with hero-ball in late game situations.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject:

lakersfan8 wrote:
That was what happened when we had Kobe too.

Selective memory. Nothing to see here
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:09 pm    Post subject:

I didn't mind the iso. I'm just concerned that LeBron was settling for contested 3 pointers instead of driving to the lane for a foul/kick out. There was that one play where he kicked it out to Kuz which was nice, but those 3s puzzle me.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:18 pm    Post subject:

Mamba Mentality wrote:
I didn't mind the iso. I'm just concerned that LeBron was settling for contested 3 pointers instead of driving to the lane for a foul/kick out. There was that one play where he kicked it out to Kuz which was nice, but those 3s puzzle me.


Yeah, I guess it isn't necessarily the iso but the fact he's taking those Kobe shots. Those are BAD shots. And just lazy, IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject:

Cranjis thinks the Lakers should run these but I still like Lebron in the low post with an entry pass.

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Oh dear god please no. Run a split cut. Run a weak side flare screen. Run a staggered screen away w/a slipping screener. Run a rip into a STS action for a flare. Don’t run this.Cranjis McBasketball added,
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Put him at the high post and this list of options can double

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The play starts out decently enough but I don't like how it ends with basically an iso post up and 4 other guys standing around on edges

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That’s how a lot of the triangle ends up. Iso in the low or high post. There’s some motion with the offense, but little screening action
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:31 pm    Post subject:

We should be running Bron to the high post and run split cuts, flares, and other actions off of that. It's his bread and butter and WAY better than what Luke's been having them do
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject:

Mamba Mentality wrote:
I didn't mind the iso. I'm just concerned that LeBron was settling for contested 3 pointers instead of driving to the lane for a foul/kick out. There was that one play where he kicked it out to Kuz which was nice, but those 3s puzzle me.


THIS^^^

I was like drive to the basket you are a big athletic man.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:12 pm    Post subject:

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I didn't mind the iso. I'm just concerned that LeBron was settling for contested 3 pointers instead of driving to the lane for a foul/kick out. There was that one play where he kicked it out to Kuz which was nice, but those 3s puzzle me.


THIS^^^

I was like drive to the basket you are a big athletic man.


Sadly, he's always been afraid to go to the line late in games. So strange that someone in their 16th season is so fearful. I remember how terrible Shaq was at the line but at least he wasn't scared. Made em when it counted
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:58 am    Post subject:

Mamba Mentality wrote:
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I didn't mind the iso. I'm just concerned that LeBron was settling for contested 3 pointers instead of driving to the lane for a foul/kick out. There was that one play where he kicked it out to Kuz which was nice, but those 3s puzzle me.


THIS^^^

I was like drive to the basket you are a big athletic man.


Sadly, he's always been afraid to go to the line late in games. So strange that someone in their 16th season is so fearful. I remember how terrible Shaq was at the line but at least he wasn't scared. Made em when it counted


Shaq liked to say he made them when it counted didn't he.
But I find it humorous--the times Phil would take him out towards the end of games

Re: LeBron, not sure why he settles. Maybe there is something to him not wanting to be fouled?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:06 am    Post subject:

Mamba Mentality wrote:
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Mamba Mentality wrote:
I didn't mind the iso. I'm just concerned that LeBron was settling for contested 3 pointers instead of driving to the lane for a foul/kick out. There was that one play where he kicked it out to Kuz which was nice, but those 3s puzzle me.


THIS^^^

I was like drive to the basket you are a big athletic man.


Sadly, he's always been afraid to go to the line late in games. So strange that someone in their 16th season is so fearful. I remember how terrible Shaq was at the line but at least he wasn't scared. Made em when it counted


I don’t think it is entirely fear, if any at all.

I think the reason is that he is gassed from the pace. We saw the same thing with Kobe in his later years settling for more long jumpers than taking it to the rack.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:26 am    Post subject:

Mamba Mentality wrote:
I didn't mind the iso. I'm just concerned that LeBron was settling for contested 3 pointers instead of driving to the lane for a foul/kick out. There was that one play where he kicked it out to Kuz which was nice, but those 3s puzzle me.


Lebron really isn’t exerting himself much on either end of the court.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:24 am    Post subject:

I guess Luke is developing LeBron’s ability in closing game. LeBron has been great for first 47 minutes in his career and he needed teammate like Wade or Irving to close out games. I think Luke wants to improve his one on one skills especially in closing minutes.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:31 am    Post subject:

There will be so many 25+ppg scoring/closing options next summer.

KD, KL, Jimmy, even Kemba. I think LBJ flourishes next to a top scorer (Kyrie/Wade are examples).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:38 am    Post subject:

It would be great if by end of this season:

Ball could become a good defender and put full court pressure on opposite PG as well as push up tempo on the other end.

Ingram could become a player who could break the opposite defense as well in half court game.

Kuzma could become our second best scorer beside LeBron.

LeBron could develop Kobe like or Durant like one on one skills to close out games.

Rando could lead our second unit to become one of the best bench mob ever.

McGee, Hart and Chandler are all meet/beyond the expectations
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