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drae Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Doncic went off against the Rockets today but Ingram locked him down the two times the Lakers played the Mavs. Ingram was locking down DeRozan before Aldridge took him out of the game. Ingram's defense is still important to the Lakers. |
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JamaalWilkes Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Even money he is high AF right now. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:50 am Post subject: Re: I hope Ingram Has Been Watching... |
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Megaton wrote: | Watching this offense has been great with Kuzma and Hart next to Lebron. Guys who don’t need to dribble and dribble and dribble, and can just as effectively score, especially from deep.
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Yeah almost like how Ingram was looking last year off ball playing his natural position, and like he could do right now except with defense if we had that same starting lineup we've had except with him in Kuzma's place. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Ingram has different skill set. The only players who can operate offense other than LBJ are Ingram, Ball, Rondo and Stephenson. Among them, Ingram has the best offensive skill. He has already improved before the injury. |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:41 am Post subject: |
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BI just watching Kobe mixtapes and thinking "i can do that" after every highlight. |
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mookielala Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Andre2K wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Andre2K wrote: | Good to see we are in agreement there, now its up to the coach to put the best line-up on the floor to optimize all our players talents, but lets not act like he's been a detriment to the team because that's far from the case. |
we are 13-7 in game with Ingram....3-3 in games without him. Kid is 21 years old....stack his numbers up against last years All Star team when they were 21 years old....the ones that were even in the league at the time. This kid is the one young guy on the team that is clearly ahead of the curve, and people come out in droves to bash him. |
For the life of me, its something I'll never understand. Good thing his teammates, front office and coaches appreciate him, I guess that's all that matters. |
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TheBlackMamba Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:20 am Post subject: |
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It's been a few days since he said it, and I'm still baffled as to how he could think 'the mid-range game has been good to him this season' (paraphrasing) |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:28 am Post subject: |
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CantStopJM wrote: | I've seen this story before... Nunez will sit Ingram out for at least a month if we're lucky.
MRI on Thursday, results on Saturday. Only team that does this BS. |
Lol like this is Marco Nunez's call. Ingram will come back when he trusts his ankle enough. If the team wants to sit him longer, that will be Magic's call, not Marco's.
Agree the small-business mindset (and budget) we apply to the medical, coaching, analytics, training staff (basically anything not constrained by the cap and where you'd think the most valuable franchise in the NBA would try to gain an advantage) is depressing. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Andre2K wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Andre2K wrote: | Good to see we are in agreement there, now its up to the coach to put the best line-up on the floor to optimize all our players talents, but lets not act like he's been a detriment to the team because that's far from the case. |
we are 13-7 in game with Ingram....3-3 in games without him. Kid is 21 years old....stack his numbers up against last years All Star team when they were 21 years old....the ones that were even in the league at the time. This kid is the one young guy on the team that is clearly ahead of the curve, and people come out in droves to bash him. |
For the life of me, its something I'll never understand. Good thing his teammates, front office and coaches appreciate him, I guess that's all that matters. |
They'll appreciate him when he's on another team and no longer able to be scapegoated by them. We've seen this story before. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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h2omike Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Ingram is something of a project, and to be effective, he needs to play with shooters, to utilize his heavy isolation game. Since we have the great LBJ, BI is playing out of position at SG, since he is not a shooter. His defense is great, and is long and young, so barring a trade we hold on to him till the end of his rookie deal to see if he can improve or show he is worth a big payday.
Short term, I think he would be most effective on a second unit, playing with KCP or Hart, and if Svi and Wagner come along as shooters, that might be the type of lineup that would really help BI.
Long term if the Lakers are not keeping him, would be someplace like Brooklyn, playing with DLO. Maybe some really defensive type team like Minneapolis or Indy. He might be like Randle, where he needs to be paired with someone like AD who can shoot and draw double teams.
For Brandon to thrive with the Lakers and LBJ, at the very least he needs to play like Hart off the ball, otherwise, he is best on the second team. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:39 am Post subject: |
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h2omike wrote: | Ingram is something of a project, and to be effective, he needs to play with shooters, to utilize his heavy isolation game. Since we have the great LBJ, BI is playing out of position at SG, since he is not a shooter. His defense is great, and is long and young, so barring a trade we hold on to him till the end of his rookie deal to see if he can improve or show he is worth a big payday.
Short term, I think he would be most effective on a second unit, playing with KCP or Hart, and if Svi and Wagner come along as shooters, that might be the type of lineup that would really help BI.
Long term if the Lakers are not keeping him, would be someplace like Brooklyn, playing with DLO. Maybe some really defensive type team like Minneapolis or Indy. He might be like Randle, where he needs to be paired with someone like AD who can shoot and draw double teams.
For Brandon to thrive with the Lakers and LBJ, at the very least he needs to play like Hart off the ball, otherwise, he is best on the second team. |
The problem is, thanks to Magic's summer of trying to reinvent the wheel, we have two or three other guys who would be best off the bench for the same reason in Ball and Rondo (Stephenson, if he's still in the rotation). They almost have to start one just so it's not playmaker overload. Ball is probably still the best candidate because he rebounds and set screens well, but I think it hurts his development being used this way. |
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BlackStarMamba Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Josh Hart is a better perimeter catch and shoot player than Ingram or kuz. He needs to be in the starting line up.
So Kuz or Ingram needs to go to the bench
I think Ingram should come off the bench and give it a try
But that likely won't hapoen, given that he's a former #2 pick and coach doesn't have the balls to do it
Kuz won't come off the bench because he's LeBron's guy _________________ I got Nothing interesting to put here |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Comparison of Ingram and Giannis, Kawhi, George in their 3rd seasons
The advanced sets are the striking difference.
He doesn't have the athleticism of Giannis, Kawhi, or even George.
Length and some ball-handling is what he has going for him. His defense has been ok against particular matchups. So we are looking a slightly better version of Tayshaun Prince offensively at this point unless his shooting improves. The poor FT shooting is not a great indicator. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:58 am Post subject: |
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It’s funny we have threads like this and also a FA thread wanting KL, KD and AD. Do you really think those players would play off of Lebron and not showcase their iso skills? They would take the ball and expect Lebron to play catch and shoot off of their play creation. Unfortunately I think that our FO lives in that same fantasy world. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Nunez is not a physician. People act like he has power or something. |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:17 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | It’s funny we have threads like this and also a FA thread wanting KL, KD and AD. Do you really think those players would play off of Lebron and not showcase their iso skills? They would take the ball and expect Lebron to play catch and shoot off of their play creation. Unfortunately I think that our FO lives in that same fantasy world. |
Out of those 3, I think KD and AD would have no problem playing with Lebron. AD is a big man, so he'd actually benefit playing next to a creator like Lebron. KD plays off Steph and can score in so many different ways that he'd adjust fine. Kawhi is the one that I think would be the worst fit because he's much more ball dominant. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:56 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | It’s funny we have threads like this and also a FA thread wanting KL, KD and AD. Do you really think those players would play off of Lebron and not showcase their iso skills? They would take the ball and expect Lebron to play catch and shoot off of their play creation. Unfortunately I think that our FO lives in that same fantasy world. |
KD plays with another high usage player and 3 other all NBA players. Playing with LBJ wouldn’t be an issue. I’d argue KD would have a higher usage on the Lakers. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Outspoken Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Now all we gotta do is wait til Kuzma miss games and if they win a game with a line up of Zo/Hart/BI/Bron/McGee we can make a thread that says "I hope Kuzma has been watching" .... |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Outspoken wrote: | Now all we gotta do is wait til Kuzma miss games and if they win a game with a line up of Zo/Hart/BI/Bron/McGee we can make a thread that says "I hope Kuzma has been watching" .... |
Lol |
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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According to BSPN, Ingram's RPM is -2.60, which ranks 396th (out of 447 players in the table). Is this why we've been winning with him being out? _________________ LeGoat! LeMazing! LeGend! |
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daytripper Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLogic wrote: | Comparison of Ingram and Giannis, Kawhi, George in their 3rd seasons
The advanced sets are the striking difference.
He doesn't have the athleticism of Giannis, Kawhi, or even George.
Length and some ball-handling is what he has going for him. His defense has been ok against particular matchups. So we are looking a slightly better version of Tayshaun Prince offensively at this point unless his shooting improves. The poor FT shooting is not a great indicator. |
Exactly.
The advanced stats can show whatever you want but he does not have the athleticism of those guys. He doesn't have Kawhi's hands either (just had to throw that one in there |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | According to BSPN, Ingram's RPM is -2.60, which ranks 396th (out of 447 players in the table). Is this why we've been winning with him being out? |
Ohhh you're trolling. Thought you were being serious for a minute and had some sort of rapid form of amnesia. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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daytripper wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | Comparison of Ingram and Giannis, Kawhi, George in their 3rd seasons
The advanced sets are the striking difference.
He doesn't have the athleticism of Giannis, Kawhi, or even George.
Length and some ball-handling is what he has going for him. His defense has been ok against particular matchups. So we are looking a slightly better version of Tayshaun Prince offensively at this point unless his shooting improves. The poor FT shooting is not a great indicator. |
Exactly.
The advanced stats can show whatever you want but he does not have the athleticism of those guys. He doesn't have Kawhi's hands either (just had to throw that one in there |
which is why he doesn't dunk much in from the halfcourt at the rim..He mentioned in that recent interview with Trudell that he still doesn't "realize" or use all of his length to dunk, instead of lay it up. Ya that's because he can't just hold the ball like a grapefruit like Kawhi and Giannis and extend.... |
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Villain6Activated Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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daytripper wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | Comparison of Ingram and Giannis, Kawhi, George in their 3rd seasons
The advanced sets are the striking difference.
He doesn't have the athleticism of Giannis, Kawhi, or even George.
Length and some ball-handling is what he has going for him. His defense has been ok against particular matchups. So we are looking a slightly better version of Tayshaun Prince offensively at this point unless his shooting improves. The poor FT shooting is not a great indicator. |
Exactly.
The advanced stats can show whatever you want but he does not have the athleticism of those guys. He doesn't have Kawhi's hands either (just had to throw that one in there |
Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart don't have the athleticism of any of those guys either. Whats the point? _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe |
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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1ngr4m wrote: | daytripper wrote: | LakerLogic wrote: | Comparison of Ingram and Giannis, Kawhi, George in their 3rd seasons
The advanced sets are the striking difference.
He doesn't have the athleticism of Giannis, Kawhi, or even George.
Length and some ball-handling is what he has going for him. His defense has been ok against particular matchups. So we are looking a slightly better version of Tayshaun Prince offensively at this point unless his shooting improves. The poor FT shooting is not a great indicator. |
Exactly.
The advanced stats can show whatever you want but he does not have the athleticism of those guys. He doesn't have Kawhi's hands either (just had to throw that one in there |
Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart don't have the athleticism of any of those guys either. Whats the point? |
they gain advantages with their athleticism more than Ingram does..even more than Ingram does with his length. |
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