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AirTupac Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah i'm impressed |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | chantruong wrote: | Can we say Kuz is already better than Kevin Love from last year? |
All star Kevin love who had a .614 TS% and 18.6% Reb rate?
Not yet. |
Better #3 guy, Love or Bosh? _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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PauPau Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | epak wrote: | chantruong wrote: | Can we say Kuz is already better than Kevin Love from last year? |
All star Kevin love who had a .614 TS% and 18.6% Reb rate?
Not yet. |
Better #3 guy, Love or Bosh? |
Circumstantial.
I do think Kuz can be a better #3 than either while still not being better than either of those players individually.
At the end of the day, it is a team sport. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | epak wrote: | chantruong wrote: | Can we say Kuz is already better than Kevin Love from last year? |
All star Kevin love who had a .614 TS% and 18.6% Reb rate?
Not yet. |
Better #3 guy, Love or Bosh? |
Oh crap.
That's a good question.
I'm not sure. Worthy? |
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The Juggernaut Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | epak wrote: | chantruong wrote: | Can we say Kuz is already better than Kevin Love from last year? |
All star Kevin love who had a .614 TS% and 18.6% Reb rate?
Not yet. |
Better #3 guy, Love or Bosh? |
Oh crap.
That's a good question.
I'm not sure. Worthy? |
Worthy definitely but out of Love & Bosh, I'll take Bosh because of his defense. |
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saetarubia Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Kuz was asked about his recent streak. Mentioned BI being out and having the ball more as one of the reasons.
https://twitter.com/SpectrumSN/status/1073120140785401857
He was asked the same after Miami game and said he gets more plays now though said he's joking right after. _________________ Showtime 2.0 |
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RichD Star Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:40 am Post subject: |
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Where would Kuz be drafted if draft was today? |
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PauPau Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Need this kid to have a good game in some way.
If his shot is not falling he's gonna have to play like he did v Dallas @ Staples.
His presence needs to be felt especially because BI is out. |
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myunibrodavis Rookie
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Since he started passing more
21.7/7.7/3.7 on 60.7TS and 1.6 turnovers a game with good defense is fantastic.
Random arbritary cutoff stats wise, there have been 26 seasons where a player has scored over 20 a game, over 3 assists a game, on less than 2 turnovers. 16 seasons where the player shot above a 57% TS (hes shooting 57.7% since not playing center btw)
(I made the numbers a bit lower because obviously its a 9 game stretch and its gonna go down. Above 60TS it goes down to 4 seasons, 3 by reggie miller and 1 by kiki vandeweghe. In the 26 sample only kawhi averaged over 7 rebounds. No one matched him everywhere)
Obviously he isnt at the level of most of the guys on the list, and being with lebron has helped with his effeciency, but i think its important to note how good he could be. He is a fantastic scorer, has a deadly floater and around the rim game (like the non restricted area part).
But it’s his second year.
Furthermore, defensively, the main problem is a lack of experience and a lack of strength, but he’s been very solid on that end as of late
When he gets stronger over the course of the next 1-2 offseasons he will probably become a guy that can switch 1-5 on D and more experience on that end. Offensively hes kinda told everyone to not put a label on him but the sky's the limit. A player like him is going to benifit alot offensively from being stronger, one of his weaknesses is he gets forced off of his spots alot. His skillset and fluidity allows him to overcome this but bulk wont hurt, esp cuz it seems to be bulk that helps his movement and athleticism, not bulk slowing him down.
A guy that can average 20/6/3 on 57 TS and less than 2 turnovers a game and solid defense is already a stupidly good second option, even if Lebrun helps his efficiency a ton. (He’s averaged 17.4/6.2/2.2 on 1.8 turnovers a game and 57.7 TS since Tyson came and he hasn’t been forced to play center)
There aren’t a lot of players who produce efficient offense like that while playing solid defense. There are probably less who did it in the beginning of their second year
As for if he’s better than Kevin Love, Kevin might be a bit better on offense but defensively he’s such a liability it doesent matter |
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Annihilator Star Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:44 am Post subject: |
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myunibrodavis wrote: | Since he started passing more
21.7/7.7/3.7 on 60.7TS and 1.6 turnovers a game with good defense is fantastic.
Random arbritary cutoff stats wise, there have been 26 seasons where a player has scored over 20 a game, over 3 assists a game, on less than 2 turnovers. 16 seasons where the player shot above a 57% TS (hes shooting 57.7% since not playing center btw)
(I made the numbers a bit lower because obviously its a 9 game stretch and its gonna go down. Above 60TS it goes down to 4 seasons, 3 by reggie miller and 1 by kiki vandeweghe. In the 26 sample only kawhi averaged over 7 rebounds. No one matched him everywhere)
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As you pointed out, lets hope it continues. Eventually, other teams will focus more on Kuz (but already having to focus on LeBron makes that much harder) and Kuz will need to learn new skills to react to the challenge. _________________ “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:49 am Post subject: |
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The thread title |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:21 am Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | epak wrote: | chantruong wrote: | Can we say Kuz is already better than Kevin Love from last year? |
All star Kevin love who had a .614 TS% and 18.6% Reb rate?
Not yet. |
Better #3 guy, Love or Bosh? |
Bosh. More of a 2 way player. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Eindhoven Star Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:34 am Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | The thread title |
Gold! _________________ .... |
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The Lebrons Star Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Lock up Harden tonight, let's go!!! |
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Eindhoven wrote: | danzag wrote: | The thread title |
Gold! |
_________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:58 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | epak wrote: | chantruong wrote: | Can we say Kuz is already better than Kevin Love from last year? |
All star Kevin love who had a .614 TS% and 18.6% Reb rate?
Not yet. |
Better #3 guy, Love or Bosh? |
Bosh. More of a 2 way player. |
What about Odom |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Thread titles like this is why this cult is the best. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:02 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | epak wrote: | chantruong wrote: | Can we say Kuz is already better than Kevin Love from last year? |
All star Kevin love who had a .614 TS% and 18.6% Reb rate?
Not yet. |
Better #3 guy, Love or Bosh? |
Bosh. More of a 2 way player. |
What about Odom |
I'd still go with Bosh, though Odom I'd take over Love. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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chantruong Star Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:33 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | epak wrote: | chantruong wrote: | Can we say Kuz is already better than Kevin Love from last year? |
All star Kevin love who had a .614 TS% and 18.6% Reb rate?
Not yet. |
Better #3 guy, Love or Bosh? |
Bosh. More of a 2 way player. |
What about Odom |
I'd still go with Bosh, though Odom I'd take over Love. |
I'll take Kuz over all of them. He's got more intangibles you can't see on the stat sheet |
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awntawn Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:41 am Post subject: |
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chantruong wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | epak wrote: | chantruong wrote: | Can we say Kuz is already better than Kevin Love from last year? |
All star Kevin love who had a .614 TS% and 18.6% Reb rate?
Not yet. |
Better #3 guy, Love or Bosh? |
Bosh. More of a 2 way player. |
What about Odom |
I'd still go with Bosh, though Odom I'd take over Love. |
I'll take Kuz over all of them. He's got more intangibles you can't see on the stat sheet |
Lamar Odom was literally a walking intangible |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Kuzma's skills look very tangible to me. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:52 am Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | The thread title |
So good. |
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Yellow Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:54 am Post subject: |
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awntawn wrote: | chantruong wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | epak wrote: | chantruong wrote: | Can we say Kuz is already better than Kevin Love from last year? |
All star Kevin love who had a .614 TS% and 18.6% Reb rate?
Not yet. |
Better #3 guy, Love or Bosh? |
Bosh. More of a 2 way player. |
What about Odom |
I'd still go with Bosh, though Odom I'd take over Love. |
I'll take Kuz over all of them. He's got more intangibles you can't see on the stat sheet |
Lamar Odom was literally a walking intangible |
Well that's impressive |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:03 am Post subject: |
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1. Bosh
2. Odom
3. Love
I think 1/2 did a better job defensively, even if Love is a skilled offensive player. That's why I have those guys over Love. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Cutheon Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:06 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | 1. Bosh
2. Odom
3. Love
I think 1/2 did a better job defensively, even if Love is a skilled offensive player. That's why I have those guys over Love. |
I agree with this yet I still would choose Odom. I'm probably wrong, but it felt like Bosh kind of disappeared in the playoffs, although he did have a GW in the Finals and the tap out to Allen. He was definitely the superior offensive and defensive player, though. |
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