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governator
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | AQuestSupreme wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | AFireInside619 wrote: | | When Lebron comes back he’ll just tell Zo to go stand on the corner and wait for the ball. Imagine if Kyrie came here too? Zo might as well be waiting in the parking lot. |
I think sitting out these games will show LBJ that his young kids have other skills that can be used. |
Lebron is ball dominant. None of that matters. K. Love and Bosh could do more, but he never defferred beyond the second option. That takes the ball out of his hand too much, and he can't control (bleep) if he gives up the ball too much. |
That's a prime LBJ.
This is an older LBJ who has suffered his longest injury, and will be declining (from a high peak).
I don't think he will be playing at the relentless usage/dominance that he did once we get a 2nd max FA to reduce the burden.
I think the kids have shown that they can do more than they were showing early on. |
A lot of people thought that before the season but it never happened. Sometimes a tiger can’t change his stripes (I’m looking at you too Kobe). |
You might be right this time VLF but post-Achilles Kobe knew he didn't have a chance to win the chip once no significant FA signed. post-groin LeBron has a good shot at winning in the next 3 and a half season... so hope hope hope Yinoma is right |
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lakurluv
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Many young talented players make mistakes early in their career when it comes to dealing with their teammates... At some point they mature! Just because you're in your early 20's doesn't mean you've matured yet, especially when so much pressure has been placed on you to be a celebrity and an athlete and to produce.
What Kyrie experienced with LeBron is no different than what Kobe and Shaq experienced or Magic and Kareem or any other mega-star athletes sharing the same Locker room.
It's good to see that Kyrie allowed his maturation to occur and recognize and take ownership of it. In the long run it will make him a better player, on and off the court!
Now...Would I want him in the P&G? That's a No-Brainer! With a player option for next year that would be totally up to Kyrie, but LA has the leverage to build a contending team or another Dynasty!
Picture the idea of having
Kyrie + Hart + Kuzma + LeBron + Davis
I'll take that squad and 3 years of championships right now! Average age on that team is 26.6 and you figure LBJ for 3 more years and the rest for another 7-8 in the P&G and we're all set... Roll Players from there.
Roll Players:
Rondo + Stevenson/Sve + Beasley + Wagner + McGee / Chandler
FO Make the "MAGIC" happen... |
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governator
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| lakurluv wrote: | Many young talented players make mistakes early in their career when it comes to dealing with their teammates... At some point they mature! Just because you're in your early 20's doesn't mean you've matured yet, especially when so much pressure has been placed on you to be a celebrity and an athlete and to produce.
What Kyrie experienced with LeBron is no different than what Kobe and Shaq experienced or Magic and Kareem or any other mega-star athletes sharing the same Locker room.
It's good to see that Kyrie allowed his maturation to occur and recognize and take ownership of it. In the long run it will make him a better player, on and off the court!
Now...Would I want him in the P&G? That's a No-Brainer! With a player option for next year that would be totally up to Kyrie, but LA has the leverage to build a contending team or another Dynasty!
Picture the idea of having
Kyrie + Hart + Kuzma + LeBron + Davis
I'll take that squad and 3 years of championships right now! Average age on that team is 26.6 and you figure LBJ for 3 more years and the rest for another 7-8 in the P&G and we're all set... Roll Players from there.
Roll Players:
Rondo + Stevenson/Sve + Beasley + Wagner + McGee / Chandler
FO Make the "MAGIC" happen... |
37/38 yr old LBJ as a 3rd option would be the best 3rd option in league next to a 30 yr old Klay |
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Darth Los Angeles
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Kyrie is just in his emotions right now. The same ish that bothered him then would still bother him now.
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governator
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| Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | Kyrie is just in his emotions right now. The same ish that bothered him then would still bother him now. |
yeah but he's tasted the mountain top and now he's back in the hills (good hills but not top), add him to this Lakers squad and LBJ-Kyrie plus is better than Kyrie-Horford plus |
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| dxfactor wrote: | Post of the year!! Awesome observations. I never thought about it like that, but you are spot on. Kyrie made that championship happen in Cleveland. He stopped Steph on defense and absolutely mauled him on offense. Give me a guy who is absolutely fearless in the clutch, especially with the kind of skill Kyrie possesses, and I will go to war against anyone knowing "He gat this." The great ones win when it counts the most.
| AQuestSupreme wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Kyrie was always the guy I wanted taking Kobe's mantle... never going to happen now but that doesn't mean I'm not hoping for it |
I hope he never does aswell. Kyrie isn't the guy you want to be the 1st option. You take Kyrie to this team and remove Lebron. Kyrie with this team wont sniff a chip nor PO's for that matter. Elite 2nd option on any team. |
I think there is a poor thought out narrative surrounding Kyrie, and that is that he can't win.
People forget history really quickly.
How many people know Lebron James missed the playoffs his first two years?
How many people know Steph missed the playoffs his first three years? Now, if you based Steph's career off of his first three season, you'd be laughed off the GRID for predicting he could lead a team to a title, LET ALONE, lead a team to a 73 win season.
Lebron just so happened to show up in Cleveland as Kyrie was growing, so it looks like Kyrie was helpless to win without him - win it takes almost ALL players, no matter HOW GREAT, years to figure out how to win in the NBA.
Kareem missed the playoffs TWICE in his prime.
What I do know is, Kyrie Irving is one of the most skilled players EVER, and is extremely clutch.
What a lot of people do not know is, HEAD TO HEAD IN THE NBA FINAL, Kyrie has averaged more points, and shot better from the field and from three than Steph Curry.
What a lot of people do not know is, for the CAREER, Kyrie has a higher FG and three-point percentage than Steph Curry.
Make of that what you will, but you SURE as hell can't convince me that is a bad place to start in a franchise player.
Kyrie has proven to be able to go to another level when the games mean the most.
If you don't want THAT guy, cool.
Another franchise would GLADLY take him.
He's NOT a great leader, but neither was Kobe. Kobe had to learn, and so does Kyrie. However, give me a player with that much skill, that exciting, and that gutsy in the clutch every time. |
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I guess it didn’t count when the Cavs lost to the Warriors, only when Steph was injured.
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Darth Los Angeles
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| governator wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | Kyrie is just in his emotions right now. The same ish that bothered him then would still bother him now. |
yeah but he's tasted the mountain top and now he's back in the hills (good hills but not top), add him to this Lakers squad and LBJ-Kyrie plus is better than Kyrie-Horford plus |
I agree. I'm only saying that the reasons LeBron pissed him off haven't magically changed. LeBron has no problem sharing the ball; but he sure as hell ain't sharing the glory.
Kyrie saved LeBron's ass with that shot. Not to mention he was giving Steph basketball pornstar action. LeBron believes he's the GOAT on the strength of what Kyrie did. So if one instance of something makes LeBron the GOAT; Kyrie most likely believes that shot places him above reproach when dealing with his young teammates or probably most players for that matter.
Calling LeBron was simply an attempt to pat himself on the back and remind his teammates that he's the elder. He sure as hell didn't do it because LeBron was right.
This has all types of passive aggressive written all over it. No wonder LeBron and Kyrie didn't work. Both are the same emotionally.
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AQuestSupreme
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | dxfactor wrote: | Post of the year!! Awesome observations. I never thought about it like that, but you are spot on. Kyrie made that championship happen in Cleveland. He stopped Steph on defense and absolutely mauled him on offense. Give me a guy who is absolutely fearless in the clutch, especially with the kind of skill Kyrie possesses, and I will go to war against anyone knowing "He gat this." The great ones win when it counts the most.
| AQuestSupreme wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Kyrie was always the guy I wanted taking Kobe's mantle... never going to happen now but that doesn't mean I'm not hoping for it |
I hope he never does aswell. Kyrie isn't the guy you want to be the 1st option. You take Kyrie to this team and remove Lebron. Kyrie with this team wont sniff a chip nor PO's for that matter. Elite 2nd option on any team. |
I think there is a poor thought out narrative surrounding Kyrie, and that is that he can't win.
People forget history really quickly.
How many people know Lebron James missed the playoffs his first two years?
How many people know Steph missed the playoffs his first three years? Now, if you based Steph's career off of his first three season, you'd be laughed off the GRID for predicting he could lead a team to a title, LET ALONE, lead a team to a 73 win season.
Lebron just so happened to show up in Cleveland as Kyrie was growing, so it looks like Kyrie was helpless to win without him - win it takes almost ALL players, no matter HOW GREAT, years to figure out how to win in the NBA.
Kareem missed the playoffs TWICE in his prime.
What I do know is, Kyrie Irving is one of the most skilled players EVER, and is extremely clutch.
What a lot of people do not know is, HEAD TO HEAD IN THE NBA FINAL, Kyrie has averaged more points, and shot better from the field and from three than Steph Curry.
What a lot of people do not know is, for the CAREER, Kyrie has a higher FG and three-point percentage than Steph Curry.
Make of that what you will, but you SURE as hell can't convince me that is a bad place to start in a franchise player.
Kyrie has proven to be able to go to another level when the games mean the most.
If you don't want THAT guy, cool.
Another franchise would GLADLY take him.
He's NOT a great leader, but neither was Kobe. Kobe had to learn, and so does Kyrie. However, give me a player with that much skill, that exciting, and that gutsy in the clutch every time. |
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I guess it didn’t count when the Cavs lost to the Warriors, only when Steph was injured. |
The Warriors had the superior team. That doesn't change what I said.
Steph has won three Finals, and has yet to win a Finals MVP.
Two regular seasons MVPs, and ZERO Finals MVPs?
Part of that has to do with he isn't quite as impactful in the post season as he is in the regular season.
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| AQuestSupreme wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | dxfactor wrote: | Post of the year!! Awesome observations. I never thought about it like that, but you are spot on. Kyrie made that championship happen in Cleveland. He stopped Steph on defense and absolutely mauled him on offense. Give me a guy who is absolutely fearless in the clutch, especially with the kind of skill Kyrie possesses, and I will go to war against anyone knowing "He gat this." The great ones win when it counts the most.
| AQuestSupreme wrote: | | TMG wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Kyrie was always the guy I wanted taking Kobe's mantle... never going to happen now but that doesn't mean I'm not hoping for it |
I hope he never does aswell. Kyrie isn't the guy you want to be the 1st option. You take Kyrie to this team and remove Lebron. Kyrie with this team wont sniff a chip nor PO's for that matter. Elite 2nd option on any team. |
I think there is a poor thought out narrative surrounding Kyrie, and that is that he can't win.
People forget history really quickly.
How many people know Lebron James missed the playoffs his first two years?
How many people know Steph missed the playoffs his first three years? Now, if you based Steph's career off of his first three season, you'd be laughed off the GRID for predicting he could lead a team to a title, LET ALONE, lead a team to a 73 win season.
Lebron just so happened to show up in Cleveland as Kyrie was growing, so it looks like Kyrie was helpless to win without him - win it takes almost ALL players, no matter HOW GREAT, years to figure out how to win in the NBA.
Kareem missed the playoffs TWICE in his prime.
What I do know is, Kyrie Irving is one of the most skilled players EVER, and is extremely clutch.
What a lot of people do not know is, HEAD TO HEAD IN THE NBA FINAL, Kyrie has averaged more points, and shot better from the field and from three than Steph Curry.
What a lot of people do not know is, for the CAREER, Kyrie has a higher FG and three-point percentage than Steph Curry.
Make of that what you will, but you SURE as hell can't convince me that is a bad place to start in a franchise player.
Kyrie has proven to be able to go to another level when the games mean the most.
If you don't want THAT guy, cool.
Another franchise would GLADLY take him.
He's NOT a great leader, but neither was Kobe. Kobe had to learn, and so does Kyrie. However, give me a player with that much skill, that exciting, and that gutsy in the clutch every time. |
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I guess it didn’t count when the Cavs lost to the Warriors, only when Steph was injured. |
The Warriors had the superior team. That doesn't change what I said.
Steph has won three Finals, and has yet to win a Finals MVP.
Two regular seasons MVPs, and ZERO Finals MVPs?
Part of that has to do with he isn't quite as impactful in the post season as he is in the regular season.
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and its usually due to the fact he gets assigned longer/bigger guys to guard him for multiple games. that is not the case during a nba 82 game season. |
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Kyrie wants his own team... and I believe he didn't want to do anything with the baggage surrounding Lebron
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| Kyrie is learning how to carry a team on his shoulder. I think he has the desire to take this challenge. So rejoining LBJ probably is not his top option at least in the short term |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | Kyrie is learning how to carry a team on his shoulder. I think he has the desire to take this challenge. So rejoining LBJ probably is not his top option at least in the short term |
He might change his mind after this season. Instead of re-signing, he can bolt to the Lakers. Then, we just need AD to request a trade to the Lakers, making Ainge's plan to pair Kyrie and AD come true.  |
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Guys are too narrative-worried these days. I could see Kyrie leaving the Celtics (even though it's unlikely), but he would never sign with the Lakers to join LeBron again.
Not that he or LeBron have any beef, just that this would make him look soft and weak beyond repair. He asked for a trade to lead his own team away from LeBron, and at the first opportunity comes back running to him. That'd never happen, and if by any chance it did, he's not the gutsy fearless player you're all arguing about.
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Would love to see Kyrie leave the Celtics. Weakens their horizon tremendously IMO.
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