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slavavov Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:47 pm Post subject: NYC area jail loses power doing "polar vortex", officials neglect to respond despite freezing cold conditions inside cells |
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The MDC Brooklyn jail lost power during the "polar vortex", and conditions inside its cells became freezing cold and inhumane. What did officials do to address it? Nothing, until state officials intervened.
That's just the beginning of the alleged abuse that some say has been going on at this center for years.
Quote: | Horrifying videos posted to Twitter showed MDC Brooklyn inmates banging on cell windows and using their reading lights to send makeshift S.O.S. signals to the outside world. The detainees were shouting that they had no heat as the so-called Polar Vortex whipped icy cold air across the city. |
Quote: | Conditions at the facility last week were “inhumane” and amounted to “a humanitarian crisis,” the Federal Defenders Of New York alleged in a lawsuit against the Federal Bureau of Prisons and MDC Brooklyn Warden Herman Quay filed on Monday. The suit alleged that inmates’ right to legal counsel had been violated by their inability to contact their attorneys, and it accused officials of making false statements about what was happening inside. In response to the lawsuit, a federal judge in Brooklyn ordered MDC Brooklyn to allow lawyers to visit their detained clients.
The warden had said in a statement Feb. 1 that “inmates have not been confined to their cells” and that “heat is in the high 60s and low 70s.”
But Federal Defenders of New York’s attorney-in-chief Deirdre von Dornum visited the facility later that day and discovered the jail was “very cold” and that vents were actually blowing cold air into one unit within the facility. Some cells were in total darkness, she said. |
Quote: | The Bureau of Prisons, which operates MDC Brooklyn, said the power outage didn’t impact the heating system. But inmates, their lawyers and local politicians who toured the facility last week said it was brutally cold inside. |
Reminds me of an article I read in the New Yorker about Riker's Island.
Someone once said that you can judge how civilized a place is by how they treat people in jail. This is a reminder that we're almost as bad as a place like Russia or Iran in that regard.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mdc-brooklyn-conditions_us_5c59bb62e4b00187b5556cdf _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Time: The Kalief Browder Story
2017TV-MA Docuseries
This series traces the tragic case of Kalief Browder, a Bronx teen who spent three horrific years in jail, despite never being convicted of a crime.
RIKERS
NY
Racism
Crimes against humanity
UN should investigate the United States
This kid should have had enough CASH COMPENSATION that a GED would never matter.. yet he was locked up and abused and probably left with nothing when they released him... He killed himself!
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyregion/kalief-browder-held-at-rikers-island-for-3-years-without-trial-commits-suicide.html
Quote: | Kalief Browder, Held at Rikers Island for 3 Years Without Trial, Commits Suicide
By Michael Schwirtz and Michael Winerip
June 8, 2015
Kalief Browder was sent to Rikers Island when he was 16 years old, accused of stealing a backpack. Though he never stood trial or was found guilty of any crime, he spent three years at the New York City jail complex, nearly two of them in solitary confinement.
In October 2014, after he was written about in The New Yorker, his case became a symbol of what many saw as a broken criminal justice system. Mayor Bill de Blasio cited the article this spring when he announced an effort to clear the backlogs in state courts and reduce the inmate population at Rikers.
For a while, it appeared Mr. Browder was putting his life back together: He earned a high school equivalency diploma and started community college. But he continued to struggle with life after Rikers.
On Saturday, he committed suicide at his parents’ home in the Bronx. |
Quote: | Kalief spent over 1,000 days at the prison — known for its brutal conditions for young men and women — and 800 of those days were in solitary confinement. He appeared in court over 30 times before his case was ultimately dismissed.
Heyward, who was fired from Rikers for selling drugs, sneaking contraband into the jail, and pimping out female officers — crimes he served two years in prison for — appears along with other current and former Rikers COs in a new documentary, TIME: The Kalief Browder Story, which premieres on Spike TV on March 1. |
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mikehayes/kalief-browder-settlement-on-hold |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:58 am Post subject: Re: NYC area jail loses power doing "polar vortex", officials neglect to respond despite freezing cold conditions inside cells |
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slavavov wrote: |
Someone once said that you can judge how civilized a place is by how they treat people in jail. This is a reminder that we're almost as bad as a place like Russia or Iran in that regard.
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And every day citizens wake up and say (bleep) it
Politicians wake up and say (bleep) it
Humans are creepy species if you really take a step back
How can any Governor of a state wake up and go to bed knowing people are innocent and being abused in his or her states prison system?
How can the humans who locked up Kalief Browder for three years NOT OWN MIRRORS..
Imagine the way we humans are probably treating the stolen children locked in the infant internment camps.. there were already accusations of FORCED DRUGGINGS .. putting the children on pills all day to babysit them etc.. traumatized because their parent disappeared and now drugged by the pigs in charge of caring for them
Even as (bleep) as George Bush was he created A Thousand Points of Light
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_points_of_light
Gee and I read on the page that Trump mocked it.. amazing..
Quote: | U.S. President Donald Trump mocked the phrase at a rally in Montana on July 5, 2018, asking "What does that mean? I know one thing: Make America Great Again we understand. Putting America first we understand. Thousand points of light, I never quite got that one. What the hell is that? Has anyone ever figured that one out? It was put out by a Republican wasn't it." [5][6][7] |
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:51 am Post subject: |
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I work at a county psych ward. Sometimes during the night it gets pretty damn cold in our units. We've let maintenance know about the situation but they just respond with heating and air-conditioning is controlled by the main facility (elsewhere). So, we give as many patients as many blankets as we can (we eventually run out). There's literally nothing else we can do other than tell patients, "sorry we're working on it." All we can do is follow the chain of command. We (staff) know its not fair, but nothing can be done. We (staff) just look at each other and move on. Either maintenance isn't taking us serious or the main facility isn't.
I imagine staff at this jail notified the appropriate people about the power outage and they were probably responded with "working on it." |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:47 am Post subject: |
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**^^Politics before people |
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:34 am Post subject: |
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^^^ money above everything |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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We live in a country conditioned to be "law and order" and to discount the rights and value of "perps". There's a reason juries keep acquitting cops, and prosecutor, not defense, is the step to bigger public office. The entirety of society is aligned against you as a suspect unless you are wealthy. White being a great second quality of innocence. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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BadGuy Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Inhumane? Have they seen the toilets? This news should surprise no one. |
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slavavov Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | We live in a country conditioned to be "law and order" and to discount the rights and value of "perps". There's a reason juries keep acquitting cops, and prosecutor, not defense, is the step to bigger public office. The entirety of society is aligned against you as a suspect unless you are wealthy. White being a great second quality of innocence. |
I wonder if that mentality can be traced to Christian doctrine (I'm not an expert on the bible), since our founding fathers were strict puritans who founded our nation partly because they wanted religious freedom from the Church of England.
If you want the criminal justice system to work and prevent offenders from committing more crimes, you must rehabilitate them. That means making conditions humane, not feeding them s***, giving them high quality medical care, giving them access to all kinds of vocational and educational programs, personal development/self-help programs and things like that.
Our politicians (in both parties) have this mentality of "lock them up and throw away the key, to hell with them, they deserve nothing, they've given up their right to be treated like human beings". I'm sure if they were questioned about this mindset, they would justify it by quoting the bible or scripture. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Society has to change their minds about offenders also.
Kids go to prison with few skills and are forced into gangs to survive
Then they get out and are forced to work at McDonalds or Wal-Mart because of Convict label.
So either prison trains them to overcome that or they come back
For profit prisons
For profit public service
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There is very little Jesus Christ in American Christianity! |
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slavavov Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Society has to change their minds about offenders also.
Kids go to prison with few skills and are forced into gangs to survive
Then they get out and are forced to work at McDonalds or Wal-Mart because of Convict label.
So either prison trains them to overcome that or they come back
For profit prisons
For profit public service
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There is very little Jesus Christ in American Christianity! |
The idea that many people have about Jesus Christ definitely seems like a mutated one.
Would Jesus let good people who made one really bad mistake, or even stupid people who have made multiple mistakes and are all in jail or prison be mistreated like this? Or would he have shown them compassion and tried to heal them and show them the light?
I'm not religious myself, but many of these self-proclaimed evangelicals seem like fake Christians to me.
The actual Christian thing to do would be to show kindness and empathy, even to so-called "bad people". _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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slavavov wrote: | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Society has to change their minds about offenders also.
Kids go to prison with few skills and are forced into gangs to survive
Then they get out and are forced to work at McDonalds or Wal-Mart because of Convict label.
So either prison trains them to overcome that or they come back
For profit prisons
For profit public service
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There is very little Jesus Christ in American Christianity! |
The idea that many people have about Jesus Christ definitely seems like a mutated one.
Would Jesus let good people who made one really bad mistake, or even stupid people who have made multiple mistakes and are all in jail or prison be mistreated like this? Or would he have shown them compassion and tried to heal them and show them the light?
I'm not religious myself, but many of these self-proclaimed evangelicals seem like fake Christians to me.
The actual Christian thing to do would be to show kindness and empathy, even to so-called "bad people". | you are correct. even if you are not religious per se. there is no positive result when you treat them like wild animals, because you wouldnt even treat your pets like this. Well there is one positive result. they will come back and spend more time in there. creating more jobs for the prisons raking in more doe for the for profit prisons, getting other possible democratic voters to no longer be able to vote or at best wont be able to vote for a term when they are in jail. but it surely doesnt benefit the people in there nor does it benefit society as a whole to treat them like this. |
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splashmtn Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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xxsicrokerxx wrote: | I work at a county psych ward. Sometimes during the night it gets pretty damn cold in our units. We've let maintenance know about the situation but they just respond with heating and air-conditioning is controlled by the main facility (elsewhere). So, we give as many patients as many blankets as we can (we eventually run out). There's literally nothing else we can do other than tell patients, "sorry we're working on it." All we can do is follow the chain of command. We (staff) know its not fair, but nothing can be done. We (staff) just look at each other and move on. Either maintenance isn't taking us serious or the main facility isn't.
I imagine staff at this jail notified the appropriate people about the power outage and they were probably responded with "working on it." | when you say you can't do anything about it after you have given out the last cover. are you sure about that?
The same way this was brought to light, so should your jobs situation. Look at it like this. What if you mom or daughter etc were in there instead of these strangers? I bet you would email, call, walk into the office of...anyone you thought would listen. and if all else failed, you would tell the news media and expose whoever needs to be exposed to get off their a... and do something. |
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | We live in a country conditioned to be "law and order" and to discount the rights and value of "perps". There's a reason juries keep acquitting cops, and prosecutor, not defense, is the step to bigger public office. The entirety of society is aligned against you as a suspect unless you are wealthy. White being a great second quality of innocence. |
This kind of mentality is ingrained within the 13th amendment. |
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