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I have come to terms with the DLO trade. Lets be honest our franchise has different expectations and we should put things in perspective

is he going to be a good player? possible multiple All-Stars maybe?
is he going to be a hall of fame or championship level PG, who knows

theres are a lot of good players, all stars league wide

Lets not forget he plays in the East

I imagine DLO to have a Mike Conley type of career, which is good, but will he ever be a starting level champion?

Lets be honest if he were in the west he wouldn't be an all star. Look at Demar Derozen. Mike Conley on the Nets would be a multi-time all star,
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I have come to terms with the DLO trade. Lets be honest our franchise has different expectations and we should put things in perspective

is he going to be a good player? possible multiple All-Stars maybe?
is he going to be a hall of fame or championship level PG, who knows

theres are a lot of good players, all stars league wide

Lets not forget he plays in the East

I imagine DLO to have a Mike Conley type of career, which is good, but will he ever be a starting level champion?

Lets be honest if he were in the west he wouldn't be an all star. Look at Demar Derozen. Mike Conley on the Nets would be a multi-time all star,


So this applies to guys like BI/Lonzo.

Unlike them, he's been able to make an all star team, even if as an injury reserve.
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I have come to terms with the DLO trade. Lets be honest our franchise has different expectations and we should put things in perspective

is he going to be a good player? possible multiple All-Stars maybe?
is he going to be a hall of fame or championship level PG, who knows

theres are a lot of good players, all stars league wide

Lets not forget he plays in the East

I imagine DLO to have a Mike Conley type of career, which is good, but will he ever be a starting level champion?

Lets be honest if he were in the west he wouldn't be an all star. Look at Demar Derozen. Mike Conley on the Nets would be a multi-time all star,


So based on your criteria, who on the Lakers can be a starting level champion?

Also just for perspective, look at what Conley and Derozan were doing at age 22-23. Dlo will be 23 in a week.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:19 pm    Post subject:

This (bleep) is comical at this point.
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BlackStarMamba wrote:
I have come to terms with the DLO trade. Lets be honest our franchise has different expectations and we should put things in perspective

is he going to be a good player? possible multiple All-Stars maybe?
is he going to be a hall of fame or championship level PG, who knows

theres are a lot of good players, all stars league wide

Lets not forget he plays in the East

I imagine DLO to have a Mike Conley type of career, which is good, but will he ever be a starting level champion?

Lets be honest if he were in the west he wouldn't be an all star. Look at Demar Derozen. Mike Conley on the Nets would be a multi-time all star,


Denial much?
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BlackStarMamba wrote:
I have come to terms with the DLO trade. Lets be honest our franchise has different expectations and we should put things in perspective

is he going to be a good player? possible multiple All-Stars maybe?
is he going to be a hall of fame or championship level PG, who knows

theres are a lot of good players, all stars league wide

Lets not forget he plays in the East

I imagine DLO to have a Mike Conley type of career, which is good, but will he ever be a starting level champion?

Lets be honest if he were in the west he wouldn't be an all star. Look at Demar Derozen. Mike Conley on the Nets would be a multi-time all star,


Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:35 pm    Post subject:

D'angelo compares very favorably to some of his player comps in their age 22 seasons (Harden, Lillard, Conley, Kyrie, etc...)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 am    Post subject:

If Russell didn't have history here and were a UFA for some reason, what price would make you balk? I feel like if he doesn't have another jump then his next contract will be an overpay.

There's no reason to think he won't have a jump necessarily, but I wonder what people would be OK paying him given it's an uncertainty.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:18 am    Post subject:

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If Russell didn't have history here and were a UFA for some reason, what price would make you balk? I feel like if he doesn't have another jump then his next contract will be an overpay.

There's no reason to think he won't have a jump necessarily, but I wonder what people would be OK paying him given it's an uncertainty.


It looks like a lock that he will be a 25 ppg player now so you dont balk at anything IMO.
He is not quite a max player yet but given his age and development I'd say its a pretty safe bet to make.
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If Russell didn't have history here and were a UFA for some reason, what price would make you balk? I feel like if he doesn't have another jump then his next contract will be an overpay.

There's no reason to think he won't have a jump necessarily, but I wonder what people would be OK paying him given it's an uncertainty.

I'd still be wary that this recent shooting improvement is a blip so I'd want him on a sub-max deal to hedge my bets. The Victor Oladipo deal would be my goal in signing DLo this summer.
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I have come to terms with the DLO trade. Lets be honest our franchise has different expectations and we should put things in perspective

is he going to be a good player? possible multiple All-Stars maybe?
is he going to be a hall of fame or championship level PG, who knows

theres are a lot of good players, all stars league wide

Lets not forget he plays in the East

I imagine DLO to have a Mike Conley type of career, which is good, but will he ever be a starting level champion?

Lets be honest if he were in the west he wouldn't be an all star. Look at Demar Derozen. Mike Conley on the Nets would be a multi-time all star,


Look at Butler. West All Star last season and best player on Minny. 3rd best on Philly and not even an All Star.

And Conley can easily be a starter on a championship team. Let's not forget how well he played against Spurs in playoffs couple of seasons ago. KL being KL won that round for Spurs. He'd just need KD/Bron type generational talent and another all star like it's the trend nowadays. Kevin Love was a 3rd option on a championship team without being a consistent performer in finals.

Anyways, DLO is not similar to Conley. I can easily see DLO having multiple seasons scoring 25 and averaging 7 assists in his prime. Conley is 14.7 pts career scorer and averaged 20 points in a season once. So it's a pointless comparison. Conley averaged 13.7 in his 4th season(9, 10.9, 12 in his first three), DLO 20+ in his fourth. He was averaging 13+ as a rookie itself. Conley career assist average is 5.7 as well so not like his scoring average is down due to playmaking. Conley was underrated(until he got the overrated deal), but DLO's potential and production this season at 22 is on another level offensively compared to Conley even in the majority of his prime years.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:14 am    Post subject:

We crapped the bed on this one.

No doubt Magic sided with Byron over this, and the Swaggy thing was the final bullet they used to get rid of him.

Oh well.
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BlackStarMamba wrote:
I have come to terms with the DLO trade. Lets be honest our franchise has different expectations and we should put things in perspective

is he going to be a good player? possible multiple All-Stars maybe?
is he going to be a hall of fame or championship level PG, who knows

theres are a lot of good players, all stars league wide

Lets not forget he plays in the East

I imagine DLO to have a Mike Conley type of career, which is good, but will he ever be a starting level champion?

Lets be honest if he were in the west he wouldn't be an all star. Look at Demar Derozen. Mike Conley on the Nets would be a multi-time all star,


Look at Butler. West All Star last season and best player on Minny. 3rd best on Philly and not even an All Star.

And Conley can easily be a starter on a championship team. Let's not forget how well he played against Spurs in playoffs couple of seasons ago. KL being KL won that round for Spurs. He'd just need KD/Bron type generational talent and another all star like it's the trend nowadays. Kevin Love was a 3rd option on a championship team without being a consistent performer in finals.

Anyways, DLO is not similar to Conley. I can easily see DLO having multiple seasons scoring 25 and averaging 7 assists in his prime. Conley is 14.7 pts career scorer and averaged 20 points in a season once. So it's a pointless comparison. Conley averaged 13.7 in his 4th season(9, 10.9, 12 in his first three), DLO 20+ in his fourth. He was averaging 13+ as a rookie itself. Conley career assist average is 5.7 as well so not like his scoring average is down due to playmaking. Conley was underrated(until he got the overrated deal), but DLO's potential and production this season at 22 is on another level offensively compared to Conley even in the majority of his prime years.

Not to mention that Mike Conley may go down as the best player to never make an All-Star team.
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We crapped the bed on this one.

No doubt Magic sided with Byron over this, and the Swaggy thing was the final bullet they used to get rid of him.

Oh well.

The long-term implications for this front office are what's concerning.

Notice how we don't hear anything about conditioning anymore now that Lebron and the vets are here. But when Magic and Pelinka took over that was all we heard about to the point of LG.com analyzing leaked images of players' voluntary workouts like they were the damn Zapruder film. Think that might've been a pretense to target the young guys Maginka wanted to get rid of?
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We crapped the bed on this one.

No doubt Magic sided with Byron over this, and the Swaggy thing was the final bullet they used to get rid of him.

Oh well.

The long-term implications for this front office are what's concerning.

Notice how we don't hear anything about conditioning anymore now that Lebron and the vets are here. But when Magic and Pelinka took over that was all we heard about to the point of LG.com analyzing leaked images of players' voluntary workouts like they were the damn Zapruder film. Think that might've been a pretense to target the young guys Maginka wanted to get rid of?


That 7% body fat thing reeked of "I have nothing else."
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
We crapped the bed on this one.

No doubt Magic sided with Byron over this, and the Swaggy thing was the final bullet they used to get rid of him.

Oh well.

The long-term implications for this front office are what's concerning.

Notice how we don't hear anything about conditioning anymore now that Lebron and the vets are here. But when Magic and Pelinka took over that was all we heard about to the point of LG.com analyzing leaked images of players' voluntary workouts like they were the damn Zapruder film. Think that might've been a pretense to target the young guys Maginka wanted to get rid of?


That 7% body fat thing reeked of "I have nothing else."


I think that was ok to do for the younger guys, gave them a goal for that summer.
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We crapped the bed on this one.

No doubt Magic sided with Byron over this, and the Swaggy thing was the final bullet they used to get rid of him.

Oh well.

The long-term implications for this front office are what's concerning.

Notice how we don't hear anything about conditioning anymore now that Lebron and the vets are here. But when Magic and Pelinka took over that was all we heard about to the point of LG.com analyzing leaked images of players' voluntary workouts like they were the damn Zapruder film. Think that might've been a pretense to target the young guys Maginka wanted to get rid of?


That 7% body fat thing reeked of "I have nothing else."

Agreed. Jesus, was that dumb.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
We crapped the bed on this one.

No doubt Magic sided with Byron over this, and the Swaggy thing was the final bullet they used to get rid of him.

Oh well.

The long-term implications for this front office are what's concerning.

Notice how we don't hear anything about conditioning anymore now that Lebron and the vets are here. But when Magic and Pelinka took over that was all we heard about to the point of LG.com analyzing leaked images of players' voluntary workouts like they were the damn Zapruder film. Think that might've been a pretense to target the young guys Maginka wanted to get rid of?


That 7% body fat thing reeked of "I have nothing else."

Agreed. Jesus, was that dumb.


Oh, it's worse. Our whole ethos last year was:

1. "we're gonna run and run..."
2. "we'll all be under 7% body fat..."
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
We crapped the bed on this one.

No doubt Magic sided with Byron over this, and the Swaggy thing was the final bullet they used to get rid of him.

Oh well.

The long-term implications for this front office are what's concerning.

Notice how we don't hear anything about conditioning anymore now that Lebron and the vets are here. But when Magic and Pelinka took over that was all we heard about to the point of LG.com analyzing leaked images of players' voluntary workouts like they were the damn Zapruder film. Think that might've been a pretense to target the young guys Maginka wanted to get rid of?


That 7% body fat thing reeked of "I have nothing else."

Agreed. Jesus, was that dumb.


Even worse, I think Randle took that to heart too.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
We crapped the bed on this one.

No doubt Magic sided with Byron over this, and the Swaggy thing was the final bullet they used to get rid of him.

Oh well.

The long-term implications for this front office are what's concerning.

Notice how we don't hear anything about conditioning anymore now that Lebron and the vets are here. But when Magic and Pelinka took over that was all we heard about to the point of LG.com analyzing leaked images of players' voluntary workouts like they were the damn Zapruder film. Think that might've been a pretense to target the young guys Maginka wanted to get rid of?


That 7% body fat thing reeked of "I have nothing else."

Agreed. Jesus, was that dumb.


Even worse, I think Randle took that to heart too.


Randle went above and beyond everything they asked of him, and they literally had to be forced to reward him for it.

Just shows how this new FO operates. They give you a brass ring, and when you reach it, you're punished. They're Vince McMahon without the attitude era to fall back on.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
We crapped the bed on this one.

No doubt Magic sided with Byron over this, and the Swaggy thing was the final bullet they used to get rid of him.

Oh well.

The long-term implications for this front office are what's concerning.

Notice how we don't hear anything about conditioning anymore now that Lebron and the vets are here. But when Magic and Pelinka took over that was all we heard about to the point of LG.com analyzing leaked images of players' voluntary workouts like they were the damn Zapruder film. Think that might've been a pretense to target the young guys Maginka wanted to get rid of?


That 7% body fat thing reeked of "I have nothing else."

Agreed. Jesus, was that dumb.


Even worse, I think Randle took that to heart too.


The irony is that Magic played with the rest of the doughboys from the 80s. Not one of the Showtime mafia were even remotely close to 10%. Zero definition.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:24 pm    Post subject:

well lets say we still had DLO... we would be letting him walk to sign a more elite prospect anyway
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:58 pm    Post subject:

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well lets say we still had DLO... we would be letting him walk to sign a more elite prospect anyway


Well, if we get a top FA this summer, Maginka have done a great job. No one said otherwise. If we don't, what's the situation? Offer all the kids and draft picks and hope Pels trade AD to us? Will Bron be happy to punt another season and wait for AD in 2020? Even then, things could change if he's traded elsewhere like what happened with PG 13. This summer will be key due to so many scenarios.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:59 pm    Post subject:

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but will he ever be a starting level champion?


I'm not sure what you mean by "starting level champion."

Is he good enough to be a starter on a ring team and make a major contributor to a ring? Sure.

Is he good enough to be the #1 or #2 guy on a ring team? Probably not.
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