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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Magic/Rob are not doing anything different than Jerry West with the clippers

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Jerry never built thru the draft as a los angeles GM. and he aint doing it now with the clippers.


Though Jerry West didn't build around Sidney Moncrief, it didn't hurt when there was this kid out of Michigan St named Earvin and then some guy they got for Don Ford, a few years later who wore #42.
. it has been this way. since the lakers started winning.

we usually draft a star, and sign a star.

the 80's lakers had the fortune of lucking up and drafting more than one star. magic and james. but we still signed cap as a FA.

we already know... Signed Shaq, drafted kobe.
eddie jones...gone, nick the quick +basically D-Lo...gone, elden campbell....gone.

already had Kobe, traded for Gasol and odom.

drafted bynum(who ended up with terrible knees, had to get rid of him before everyone else knew it). we got dwight. Traded for cp3(nixed deal).

You see the pattern?^^^

We only build around the youth if the youth = a superstar or two. not a star, a superstar. james is a hall of famer, we already know what magic is.

kobe is a hall of famer and a goat candidate. obviously you build around that young guy.


was DLO looking like a hall of famer? NO. Byron wanted him, so byron saw something special in him. for all the clowing of bscott, he has been around some of the best pg's in the nba.(played with Magic, coached jason kidd, cp3, and kyrie irving.) he probably would know if someone has the talent. But he wasnt satisifed with Dlo's average doe work ethic. it wasnt bad. it just wasnt superstar work ethic. Is he putting in that kind of time with the nets or is he still just rolling off of his talent and average joe work ethic? i dont know.m So if Dlo aint a hall of famer for whatever reason and he's not a superstar. then you can't build around him. is BI a hall famer/superstar in the making? Maybe. how about lonzo? maybe, how about kuz? perhaps.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Magic/Rob are not doing anything different than Jerry West with the clippers

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and I would add, the 2 superstars at minimum plan was derived here while jerry west was our GM.

So you're mad because magic and rob are pretty much doing the same thing.

Jerry never built thru the draft as a los angeles GM. and he aint doing it now with the clippers. He's clearing cap space for max players. Thats right ladies and gentlemen, the same exact thing we have done. the difference with that team is, they had stars over their recently that they moved to clear space, get extra funds, make deals etc. we didnt. we started in the rears with a mos and deng contract hanging over rob's and magic's head like a dark cloud. The clippers were already in late april (it was spring time for them already). the clouds are just now starting to clear for us. its Late Feb.

If any of you laker fans are trying to or wishing for a Team that has lebron and a bunch of solid kids or solid role players but no other superstar. then you are wishing for a forever 4th to 7th seed in the west that will not get to the WCF's, and will not think about beating gstate. If thats what you want. so be it. but if not. then please stop asking for an solid team vs going for the big boys.


Nick Van Excel
Vlade Divac
Elden Campbell
Eddie Jones
Anthony Peeler
George Lynch
Derek Fisher

All drafted ... then eventually traded, but we were built through the draft. Were they superstars? No. But they were solid and we only missed playoffs once after Magic retired. They became nice pawns later to land bigger pieces that helped us win championships.

Plus they were fun to watch.

they were not pawns, except for vlade for the kobe pick.

we dont need a vlade for kobe pick because we jsut ran thru enough #2 picks. lol

if bynum would not have had horrible knees. he was our next superstar thru the draft. if the cp3 deal went thru, he was our next for sure FA signing. so if push came to shove and kobe got hurt like he did. and we decided cp3 aint the one. then we could flip him or lose him for nothing on purpose to have that max cap space for another star player.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Magic/Rob are not doing anything different than Jerry West with the clippers

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and I would add, the 2 superstars at minimum plan was derived here while jerry west was our GM.

So you're mad because magic and rob are pretty much doing the same thing.

Jerry never built thru the draft as a los angeles GM. and he aint doing it now with the clippers. .



Jerry gathered talent through all three methods: trading, free agents, and drafting. None of the channels was really more important than the others.

I really don't see many similarities between Magic and Jerry when it comes to strategy and building teams.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:29 am    Post subject:

This is a funny thread to compare the 2. Disrespectful to the great Jerry who isn't only legendary on the court, the logo, but also a legendary exect. Jerry West got a young, full of potential, active big, who can benefit their team in Zu for nothing. Rob and Magic gave them a young, full of potential, active big, who was really beneficial to the team in Zu for nothing. Let that sink in because that's pretty much how similar they are.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:07 am    Post subject:

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The Clippers filled their roster with solid vets while the Lakers wasted cap space on their vets. That and the whole playoff thing.


This can't be stated enough. We let our 7th pick go for literally nothing. We traded Zubac for Muscala. Amateur moves at best
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:04 am    Post subject:

Magic got LeBron and that was well done and very necessary to put the Lakers back on the map. When LeBron got hurt it derailed our season and obviously that's nobody's fault. Injuries are a reality of sports.

That said, Magic and Rob are not even in the conversation with Jerry West at this point in terms of management impact. West was in charge of the front office for four Lakers championship teams in 1985, 87, 88 and 2000, and his cornerstone moves (signing Shaq and turning Vlade Divac into Kobe F Bryant) were responsible for four other Lakers championships in 2001, 2002, 2009 and 2010. West also helped the Grizzlies become a credible NBA franchise, helped mold the Golden State organization, and is now doing good work with the Clippers.

Why the Lakers organization has never corrected its grievous error of allowing him to walk out the door is a fundamental mistake of gargantuan proportions, and has had a lasting negative impact on the entire operation which continues to this day, and likely will into the foreseeable future.

Long story short, "Maginka" has a very long way to go before their names belong in the same sentence as Jerry West in terms of managing an NBA organization. And it's not unreasonable to question whether they ever will.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
The Clippers filled their roster with solid vets while the Lakers wasted cap space on their vets. That and the whole playoff thing.


They filed the roster? Please
Pat Bev from cp3 trade
Lou Williams from cp3 trade and then extended
A Bradley from Griffin trade
T Harris from Griffin trade
Boban from Griffin trade

They signed Gallo when they thought they will have DJ/Blake/Gallo lineup

What vets they signed?


Read your post, you summarized how they added solid vets.


LoL

I thought the same thing... this guy just went ahead and eloquently made your point for you
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Magic/Rob are not doing anything different than Jerry West with the clippers

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and I would add, the 2 superstars at minimum plan was derived here while jerry west was our GM.

So you're mad because magic and rob are pretty much doing the same thing.

Jerry never built thru the draft as a los angeles GM. and he aint doing it now with the clippers. He's clearing cap space for max players. Thats right ladies and gentlemen, the same exact thing we have done. the difference with that team is, they had stars over their recently that they moved to clear space, get extra funds, make deals etc. we didnt. we started in the rears with a mos and deng contract hanging over rob's and magic's head like a dark cloud. The clippers were already in late april (it was spring time for them already). the clouds are just now starting to clear for us. its Late Feb.

If any of you laker fans are trying to or wishing for a Team that has lebron and a bunch of solid kids or solid role players but no other superstar. then you are wishing for a forever 4th to 7th seed in the west that will not get to the WCF's, and will not think about beating gstate. If thats what you want. so be it. but if not. then please stop asking for an solid team vs going for the big boys.

this is true, but this will be hated on too.
our fans right now are tyring to defelct blame anywhere but lebron. including magic.


I agree that our major issue is LeBron but who made 34 year old LeBron the centerpiece of our rebuild?!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: Magic/Rob are not doing anything different than Jerry West with the clippers

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K2 wrote:
splashmtn wrote:


Jerry never built thru the draft as a los angeles GM. and he aint doing it now with the clippers.


Though Jerry West didn't build around Sidney Moncrief, it didn't hurt when there was this kid out of Michigan St named Earvin and then some guy they got for Don Ford, a few years later who wore #42.
. it has been this way. since the lakers started winning.

we usually draft a star, and sign a star.

the 80's lakers had the fortune of lucking up and drafting more than one star. magic and james. but we still signed cap as a FA.

we already know... Signed Shaq, drafted kobe.
eddie jones...gone, nick the quick +basically D-Lo...gone, elden campbell....gone.

already had Kobe, traded for Gasol and odom.

drafted bynum(who ended up with terrible knees, had to get rid of him before everyone else knew it). we got dwight. Traded for cp3(nixed deal).

You see the pattern?^^^

We only build around the youth if the youth = a superstar or two. not a star, a superstar. james is a hall of famer, we already know what magic is.

kobe is a hall of famer and a goat candidate. obviously you build around that young guy.


was DLO looking like a hall of famer? NO. Byron wanted him, so byron saw something special in him. for all the clowing of bscott, he has been around some of the best pg's in the nba.(played with Magic, coached jason kidd, cp3, and kyrie irving.) he probably would know if someone has the talent. But he wasnt satisifed with Dlo's average doe work ethic. it wasnt bad. it just wasnt superstar work ethic. Is he putting in that kind of time with the nets or is he still just rolling off of his talent and average joe work ethic? i dont know.m So if Dlo aint a hall of famer for whatever reason and he's not a superstar. then you can't build around him. is BI a hall famer/superstar in the making? Maybe. how about lonzo? maybe, how about kuz? perhaps.
Zu?NO


Pattern is mostly drafting and trades.
Cap was also a trade.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:02 am    Post subject:

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Magic got LeBron and that was well done and very necessary to put the Lakers back on the map. When LeBron got hurt it derailed our season and obviously that's nobody's fault. Injuries are a reality of sports.

That said, Magic and Rob are not even in the conversation with Jerry West at this point in terms of management impact. West was in charge of the front office for four Lakers championship teams in 1985, 87, 88 and 2000, and his cornerstone moves (signing Shaq and turning Vlade Divac into Kobe F Bryant) were responsible for four other Lakers championships in 2001, 2002, 2009 and 2010. West also helped the Grizzlies become a credible NBA franchise, helped mold the Golden State organization, and is now doing good work with the Clippers.

Why the Lakers organization has never corrected its grievous error of allowing him to walk out the door is a fundamental mistake of gargantuan proportions, and has had a lasting negative impact on the entire operation which continues to this day, and likely will into the foreseeable future.

Long story short, "Maginka" has a very long way to go before their names belong in the same sentence as Jerry West in terms of managing an NBA organization. And it's not unreasonable to question whether they ever will.


<-- This. Speaking words of wisdom!!!! Unless they have AD already in the bag, I really have had a when Zu was traded for nothing.
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im surprised people need more proof that this thing has failed to launch.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:02 am    Post subject:

Jerry West let go of CP3/Reddick, traded Blake, Deandre, Jamal Crawford and Tobias Harris.

Are on track to make the playoffs and still have room for 2 max deals in the summer.

YEa, same thing....
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:05 am    Post subject:

What? Magic the gawd?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: Magic/Rob are not doing anything different than Jerry West with the clippers

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and I would add, the 2 superstars at minimum plan was derived here while jerry west was our GM.

So you're mad because magic and rob are pretty much doing the same thing.

Jerry never built thru the draft as a los angeles GM. and he aint doing it now with the clippers. He's clearing cap space for max players. Thats right ladies and gentlemen, the same exact thing we have done. the difference with that team is, they had stars over their recently that they moved to clear space, get extra funds, make deals etc. we didnt. we started in the rears with a mos and deng contract hanging over rob's and magic's head like a dark cloud. The clippers were already in late april (it was spring time for them already). the clouds are just now starting to clear for us. its Late Feb.

If any of you laker fans are trying to or wishing for a Team that has lebron and a bunch of solid kids or solid role players but no other superstar. then you are wishing for a forever 4th to 7th seed in the west that will not get to the WCF's, and will not think about beating gstate. If thats what you want. so be it. but if not. then please stop asking for an solid team vs going for the big boys.


I've said the same thing recently, pointing out how most of the young crew from the 90s were traded, including two of them at once to clear money for the superstar. There are very few takers here, tho. It's a lonely POV to have. They gotta deconstruct in order to get the star power they need (3 guys if posible) to actually do some damage. They won't be a serious contender with effin Ingram and Kuzma plus Lonzo and their ferocious defenders know it, too. You can't NOT know that. At least...aaat least one is gonna have to go.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Magic/Rob are not doing anything different than Jerry West with the clippers

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and I would add, the 2 superstars at minimum plan was derived here while jerry west was our GM.

So you're mad because magic and rob are pretty much doing the same thing.

Jerry never built thru the draft as a los angeles GM. and he aint doing it now with the clippers. He's clearing cap space for max players. Thats right ladies and gentlemen, the same exact thing we have done. the difference with that team is, they had stars over their recently that they moved to clear space, get extra funds, make deals etc. we didnt. we started in the rears with a mos and deng contract hanging over rob's and magic's head like a dark cloud. The clippers were already in late april (it was spring time for them already). the clouds are just now starting to clear for us. its Late Feb.

If any of you laker fans are trying to or wishing for a Team that has lebron and a bunch of solid kids or solid role players but no other superstar. then you are wishing for a forever 4th to 7th seed in the west that will not get to the WCF's, and will not think about beating gstate. If thats what you want. so be it. but if not. then please stop asking for an solid team vs going for the big boys.


I've said the same thing recently, pointing out how most of the young crew from the 90s were traded, including two of them at once to clear money for the superstar. There are very few takers here, tho. It's a lonely POV to have. They gotta deconstruct in order to get the star power they need (3 guys if posible) to actually do some damage. They won't be a serious contender with effin Ingram and Kuzma plus Lonzo and their ferocious defenders know it, too. You can't NOT know that. At least...aaat least one is gonna have to go.

why do we spend all this time and effort trying to get supposedly pros to shoot threes and fts at a decent clip? im telling you, go grab andre, go get some LA gym stars, and we weill do damage int he playoffs. there's no need to spend millions for short guys that can shoot who are famous.

[edit] just want to say, the only reason this is a bad idea is because of the union, for those who think its silly.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:02 pm    Post subject:

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Jerry West let go of CP3/Reddick, traded Blake, Deandre, Jamal Crawford and Tobias Harris.

Are on track to make the playoffs and still have room for 2 max deals in the summer.

YEa, same thing....

He wasn't working for the Clips when they lost CP3 and Reddick. I'm not entirely sure what point you were trying to make.
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In 2019 the clippers are a better run organization than the lakers from top to bottom.

It’s sad but true.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject:

trablos wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Jerry West let go of CP3/Reddick, traded Blake, Deandre, Jamal Crawford and Tobias Harris.

Are on track to make the playoffs and still have room for 2 max deals in the summer.

YEa, same thing....

He wasn't working for the Clips when they lost CP3 and Reddick. I'm not entirely sure what point you were trying to make.

I don't know either the train of thought, but the point is the Clippers are in way different position than we are with the amount of star power and success they have had recently. It's better to have that, than to be stuck with some of the guys we currently have.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:51 pm    Post subject:

hcbball wrote:
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Kobesystem wrote:
Jerry West let go of CP3/Reddick, traded Blake, Deandre, Jamal Crawford and Tobias Harris.

Are on track to make the playoffs and still have room for 2 max deals in the summer.

YEa, same thing....

He wasn't working for the Clips when they lost CP3 and Reddick. I'm not entirely sure what point you were trying to make.

I don't know either the train of thought, but the point is the Clippers are in way different position than we are with the amount of star power and success they have had recently. It's better to have that, than to be stuck with some of the guys we currently have.

As of right now the Lakers are "stuck with" LeBron and guys on rookie contracts with everyone else on a one year deal. The guys we see the most complaints about will be gone after this season and we'll see if Magic and Pelinka can do a better job and learn from their mistakes.

The Clippers have no stars(which they obviously want to change this offseason) and their previous era ended in failure. We'll see what they can pull off.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:20 am    Post subject:

Practice wrote:
hcbball wrote:
trablos wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Jerry West let go of CP3/Reddick, traded Blake, Deandre, Jamal Crawford and Tobias Harris.

Are on track to make the playoffs and still have room for 2 max deals in the summer.

YEa, same thing....

He wasn't working for the Clips when they lost CP3 and Reddick. I'm not entirely sure what point you were trying to make.

I don't know either the train of thought, but the point is the Clippers are in way different position than we are with the amount of star power and success they have had recently. It's better to have that, than to be stuck with some of the guys we currently have.

As of right now the Lakers are "stuck with" LeBron and guys on rookie contracts with everyone else on a one year deal. The guys we see the most complaints about will be gone after this season and we'll see if Magic and Pelinka can do a better job and learn from their mistakes.

The Clippers have no stars(which they obviously want to change this offseason) and their previous era ended in failure. We'll see what they can pull off.


West was signed in June of 2017. Cp3 officially signed with the Rockets in the end of June 2017. JJ Reddick was signed by the 76ers in JUly of 2017.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:32 pm    Post subject:

Kobesystem wrote:
Practice wrote:
hcbball wrote:
trablos wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Jerry West let go of CP3/Reddick, traded Blake, Deandre, Jamal Crawford and Tobias Harris.

Are on track to make the playoffs and still have room for 2 max deals in the summer.

YEa, same thing....

He wasn't working for the Clips when they lost CP3 and Reddick. I'm not entirely sure what point you were trying to make.

I don't know either the train of thought, but the point is the Clippers are in way different position than we are with the amount of star power and success they have had recently. It's better to have that, than to be stuck with some of the guys we currently have.

As of right now the Lakers are "stuck with" LeBron and guys on rookie contracts with everyone else on a one year deal. The guys we see the most complaints about will be gone after this season and we'll see if Magic and Pelinka can do a better job and learn from their mistakes.

The Clippers have no stars(which they obviously want to change this offseason) and their previous era ended in failure. We'll see what they can pull off.


West was signed in June of 2017. Cp3 officially signed with the Rockets in the end of June 2017. JJ Reddick was signed by the 76ers in JUly of 2017.

You are correct, my mistake.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:39 am    Post subject:

22 wrote:
In 2019 the clippers are a better run organization than the lakers from top to bottom.

It’s sad but true.


Agreed, it's 100% true, and 100% sad.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:31 am    Post subject:

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The Clippers filled their roster with solid vets while the Lakers wasted cap space on their vets. That and the whole playoff thing.


This can't be stated enough. We let our 7th pick go for literally nothing. We traded Zubac for Muscala. Amateur moves at best


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