View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
ChefLinda Moderator
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 24113 Location: Boston
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
Per MSNBC: Congressman Jerry Nadler said it was only a brief letter. Will be releasing shortly. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ChefLinda Moderator
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 24113 Location: Boston
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:40 am Post subject: |
|
|
Pete Williams saying per letter that Mueller report lays out evidence on both sides but comes to no conclusions. The report neither clears him nor concludes he was guilty.
What a crock. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Omar Little Moderator
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90299 Location: Formerly Known As 24
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
Let me guess: Barr is going to hide behind “it is justice department policy not to discuss people who are investigated but not charged”. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Wilt LG Contributor
Joined: 29 Dec 2002 Posts: 13711
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’ _________________ ¡Hala Madrid! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ChefLinda Moderator
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 24113 Location: Boston
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
In other words, it's all up to voters in 2020. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ribeye Franchise Player
Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 12612
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
Omar Little wrote: | Let me guess: Barr is going to hide behind “it is justice department policy not to discuss people who are investigated but not charged”. |
Which, if accuracy were ever important to Republicans, should say, “it is justice department policy, unless it is about Hillary Clinton or Muller/Justice Dept/FBI information we want, not to discuss people who are investigated but not charged”. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
Last edited by ribeye on Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:45 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
The Lebrons Star Player
Joined: 30 Mar 2009 Posts: 4778
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
Important to note this is Barr's summary. Everyone reporting on this letter as if it's the report. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ChefLinda Moderator
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 24113 Location: Boston
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
Stonewalling and Gaslighting 101. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Wilt LG Contributor
Joined: 29 Dec 2002 Posts: 13711
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
Mueller couldn't make a definitive conclusion on obstruction, leaving it up to Barr and Rosenstein. And they decided Trump didn't.
There you go. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ChefLinda Moderator
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 24113 Location: Boston
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: | Ken Dilanian -at- KenDilanianNBC
Pete Williams: Mueller did not draw a conclusion about whether Trump obstructed Justice; instead he laid out the evidence on both sides. Does NOT exonerate Trump.
|
Remember yesterday when people on the Joy Reid show were speculating Barr would stonewall and people were aghast that Democrats would lower themselves to conspiracy theories? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
VicXLakers Franchise Player
Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 11823
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=619
On Wednesday, Committee Will Hold Open Interview with Felix Sater
On Thursday, Committee Will Hold Hearing – “Putin’s Playbook: The Kremlin’s Use of Oligarchs, Money and Intelligence in 2016 and Beyond”
Washington, DC – Next week, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence will hold two public events as part of its investigation into Russian influence during and after the 2016 election campaign. On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 9:30 a.m. the Committee will hold an open interview with Felix Sater about his business ventures with the Trump Organization and the potential Trump Tower Moscow deal.
On Thursday, March 28, 2019, at 9 a.m., the Committee will hold a hearing titled “Putin’s Playbook: The Kremlin’s Use of Oligarchs, Money and Intelligence in 2016 and Beyond.” Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, former CIA Chief of Russian Operations Steven Hall, and CSIS senior vice president and author of the Kremlin Playbook Heather Conley will testify in open session.
Full details will be forthcoming. Seats will be available for credentialed media on a first-come, first-serve basis; one per outlet.
Details:
Open Interview: Felix Sater
What: Full Committee open interview of Felix Sater
When: Wednesday, March 27, 2019; 9:30 am
Where: 2154 Rayburn House Office Building
Open Hearing: “Putin’s Playbook: The Kremlin’s Use of Oligarchs, Money and Intelligence in 2016 and Beyond”
What: Full Committee open hearing
When: Thursday, March 28, 2019; 9:00 am
Where: 2175 Rayburn House Office Building
### |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ChefLinda Moderator
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 24113 Location: Boston
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: | David Corn @ DavidCornDC
Mueller: Trump cannot be exonerated of obstruction of justice.
Barr: I exonerate him. |
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
ocho Retired Number
Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 53714
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ChefLinda wrote: | Quote: | Ken Dilanian _at_ KenDilanianNBC
Pete Williams: Mueller did not draw a conclusion about whether Trump obstructed Justice; instead he laid out the evidence on both sides. Does NOT exonerate Trump.
|
Quote: | Peter Daou (@) peterdaou
So #Mueller punts obstruction to Barr, who exonerates Trump. |
Remember yesterday when people on the Joy Reid show were speculating Barr would stonewall and people were aghast that Democrats would lower themselves to conspiracy theories? |
lol that's quite an interpretation. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ribeye Franchise Player
Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 12612
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ocho wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | Quote: | Ken Dilanian @ KenDilanianNBC
Pete Williams: Mueller did not draw a conclusion about whether Trump obstructed Justice; instead he laid out the evidence on both sides. Does NOT exonerate Trump.
|
Remember yesterday when people on the Joy Reid show were speculating Barr would stonewall and people were aghast that Democrats would lower themselves to conspiracy theories? |
lol that's quite an interpretation. |
Pretty close I'd say.
ocho wrote: | This is embarrassing for Democrats Pt2:
Quote: | On MSNBC this morning, Joy Reid talked with her panel about what Attorney General Bill Barr will ultimately do now that he’s reviewing the full Mueller report, even suggesting possible “seeds of a cover-up.”
“The fact that this investigation takes place within the Justice Department, which Donald Trump essentially controls, and that he got rid of the problem, Jeff Sessions, who––the one decent thing that he did was just recuse himself. This guy is not recused. It feels like the seeds of a cover-up are here.” |
|
_________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ocho Retired Number
Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 53714
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ribeye wrote: | ocho wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | Quote: | Ken Dilanian ( a t ) KenDilanianNBC
Pete Williams: Mueller did not draw a conclusion about whether Trump obstructed Justice; instead he laid out the evidence on both sides. Does NOT exonerate Trump.
|
Remember yesterday when people on the Joy Reid show were speculating Barr would stonewall and people were aghast that Democrats would lower themselves to conspiracy theories? |
lol that's quite an interpretation. |
Pretty close I'd say.
ocho wrote: | This is embarrassing for Democrats Pt2:
Quote: | On MSNBC this morning, Joy Reid talked with her panel about what Attorney General Bill Barr will ultimately do now that he’s reviewing the full Mueller report, even suggesting possible “seeds of a cover-up.”
“The fact that this investigation takes place within the Justice Department, which Donald Trump essentially controls, and that he got rid of the problem, Jeff Sessions, who––the one decent thing that he did was just recuse himself. This guy is not recused. It feels like the seeds of a cover-up are here.” |
|
|
I am sure you would, and yet concluding that this investigation was a cover up is ludicrous. It's not a cover up because you don't like the findings. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kikanga Retired Number
Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29150 Location: La La Land
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Tough day for the Dems. 2020 is still salvageable though. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Wilt LG Contributor
Joined: 29 Dec 2002 Posts: 13711
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Something tells me Pelosi knew. Gave the Democrats some cover. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ChefLinda Moderator
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 24113 Location: Boston
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
1) Mueller apparently laid out evidence of obstruction but came to no conclusion using the beyond a reasonable doubt standard needed to indict.
2) Normally the evidence would be turned over to Congress so they could evaluate with an eye towards impeachment, which is not a criminal standard but a political standard.
3) Barr stepped in and cleared Trump of obstruction before evidence was turned over to Congress.
That's called partisan interference. The people on the Joy Reid show were afraid something like this might happen.
We aren't saying this because we don't like the conclusion of the report (we still haven't seen the evidence in the report), we are saying this because Barr interfered like the GOP hack he is, which is why Trump installed him.
Bottom line: It's either up to Congress or up to the voters in 2020. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ribeye Franchise Player
Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 12612
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ocho wrote: | ribeye wrote: | ocho wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | Quote: | Ken Dilanian -at- KenDilanianNBC
Pete Williams: Mueller did not draw a conclusion about whether Trump obstructed Justice; instead he laid out the evidence on both sides. Does NOT exonerate Trump.
|
Quote: | Peter Daou (@) peterdaou
So #Mueller punts obstruction to Barr, who exonerates Trump. |
Remember yesterday when people on the Joy Reid show were speculating Barr would stonewall and people were aghast that Democrats would lower themselves to conspiracy theories? |
lol that's quite an interpretation. |
Pretty close I'd say.
ocho wrote: | This is embarrassing for Democrats Pt2:
Quote: | On MSNBC this morning, Joy Reid talked with her panel about what Attorney General Bill Barr will ultimately do now that he’s reviewing the full Mueller report, even suggesting possible “seeds of a cover-up.”
“The fact that this investigation takes place within the Justice Department, which Donald Trump essentially controls, and that he got rid of the problem, Jeff Sessions, who––the one decent thing that he did was just recuse himself. This guy is not recused. It feels like the seeds of a cover-up are here.” |
|
|
I am sure you would, and yet concluding that this investigation was a cover up is ludicrous. It's not a cover up because you don't like the findings. |
Not the investigation, the relationships between Trump and his Attorneys General. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
Last edited by ribeye on Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:47 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
VicXLakers Franchise Player
Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 11823
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ocho wrote: | ribeye wrote: | ocho wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | Quote: | Ken Dilanian [AT] KenDilanianNBC
Pete Williams: Mueller did not draw a conclusion about whether Trump obstructed Justice; instead he laid out the evidence on both sides. Does NOT exonerate Trump.
|
Remember yesterday when people on the Joy Reid show were speculating Barr would stonewall and people were aghast that Democrats would lower themselves to conspiracy theories? |
lol that's quite an interpretation. |
Pretty close I'd say.
ocho wrote: | This is embarrassing for Democrats Pt2:
Quote: | On MSNBC this morning, Joy Reid talked with her panel about what Attorney General Bill Barr will ultimately do now that he’s reviewing the full Mueller report, even suggesting possible “seeds of a cover-up.”
“The fact that this investigation takes place within the Justice Department, which Donald Trump essentially controls, and that he got rid of the problem, Jeff Sessions, who––the one decent thing that he did was just recuse himself. This guy is not recused. It feels like the seeds of a cover-up are here.” |
|
|
I am sure you would, and yet concluding that this investigation was a cover up is ludicrous. It's not a cover up because you don't like the findings. |
"While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," |
|
Back to top |
|
|
nickuku Star Player
Joined: 09 Jul 2010 Posts: 7844 Location: Orange County
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Why am I not surprised? Republicans were going to put lipstick on a pig. _________________ Don't let perfect be the enemy of good |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Omar Little Moderator
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90299 Location: Formerly Known As 24
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I’m interested to know in what way Mueller presenter his evidence, and precisely how he declined to prosecute. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
|
Back to top |
|
|
The Lebrons Star Player
Joined: 30 Mar 2009 Posts: 4778
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
We know Congress isn't going to do anything. GOP has been all in and probably to their surprise, to very little consequence other than the mid-terms, which probably weren't as bad as they thought they'd be. See y'all in 2020. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
VicXLakers Franchise Player
Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 11823
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm waiting until the report is released |
|
Back to top |
|
|
VicXLakers Franchise Player
Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 11823
|
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The Lebrons wrote: | We know Congress isn't going to do anything. GOP has been all in and probably to their surprise, to very little consequence other than the mid-terms, which probably weren't as bad as they thought they'd be. See y'all in 2020. |
skipping Wednesday?
On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 9:30 a.m. the Committee will hold an open interview with Felix Sater about his business ventures with the Trump Organization and the potential Trump Tower Moscow deal.
On Thursday, March 28, 2019, at 9 a.m., the Committee will hold hearing titled “Putin’s Playbook: The Kremlin’s Use of Oligarchs, Money and Intelligence in 2016 and Beyond.” Michael McFaul,Steven Hall, and Heather Conley will testify in open session. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|