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Worst post-Phil coach?
Mike Brown
11%
 11%  [ 12 ]
Mike D'Antoni
15%
 15%  [ 16 ]
Byron Scott
64%
 64%  [ 65 ]
Luke Walton
7%
 7%  [ 8 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:26 pm    Post subject:

I would put Mr. Potato Head ahead of MDA, then Walton, then Scott.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:33 pm    Post subject:

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MDA.

Right coach, wrong time period and definitely the wrong personnel.

Ironic b/c Pau bristled at launching 3s and now he does that without hesitation.


Pau wasn't the only big man who didn't like MDA. And Kobe pretty much abandoned MDA's "system" to get us into the playoffs.

Not to mention how MDA literally played Kobe till he tore his achilles. People give Thibs (bleep) for running people into the ground. As far as I'm concerned MDA broke Kobe.

But he would've been a great coach for DLO.


You can believe that, or you can believe everyone in the organization or Kobe himself. Kobe broke Kobe.

He’s said it himself.

Pau also was stuck in the championship days. I don’t blame him, but things quickly changed.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:34 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
MDA
Luke
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Byron


thats how I rank it
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:43 pm    Post subject:

Mike Brown was pretty bad. That Priceton offense experience was one of the worst stretches of basketball I've ever seen, culminating with him getting the DEATH STARE from Kobe.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:59 pm    Post subject:

Can only coach so much, its up to the front office to get the right personnel. Give luke last yrs team with randle+ lopez we’d be beasting in the playoffs right now
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:01 pm    Post subject:

Byron was unbelievably bad. He had an unfortunate situation where the best thing for the team to do was showcase Kobe for ratings and get as many losses as possible. Byron was amazing at both of these but I think he really believed he was coaching them to victory and tanked by accident.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:02 pm    Post subject:

akk7 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
MDA.

Right coach, wrong time period and definitely the wrong personnel.

Ironic b/c Pau bristled at launching 3s and now he does that without hesitation.


Pau wasn't the only big man who didn't like MDA. And Kobe pretty much abandoned MDA's "system" to get us into the playoffs.

Not to mention how MDA literally played Kobe till he tore his achilles. People give Thibs (bleep) for running people into the ground. As far as I'm concerned MDA broke Kobe.

But he would've been a great coach for DLO.


You can believe that, or you can believe everyone in the organization or Kobe himself. Kobe broke Kobe.

He’s said it himself.

Pau also was stuck in the championship days. I don’t blame him, but things quickly changed.


Remembering this situation is painful for me.
Ya, we could've won the chip that year if Kobe stayed healthy. He was a superhuman who willed an incohesive team to wins. A god amongst men.
7 game death march leading to achilles tear:

3/30/2013 - 47 minutes Win 19 pts, 14 assists, 9 Rebounds, 2 steals
4/2/2013- 47 minutes Win 23 pts, 11 assists, 11 Rebounds, 4 steals, 2 blocks
4/5/2013- 42 minutes Win 24 pts, 9 assists, 5 Rebounds, 2 steals
4/7/2013- 47 minutes Loss 25 pts, 10 assists, 7 Rebounds,
4/9/2013- 41 minutes Win 30 pts, 6 assists, 6 Rebounds, 5 steals, 1 block
4/10/2013- 48 minutes Win 47 pts, 5 assists, 8 Rebounds, 3 steals, 4 blocks
4/12/2013- 45 minutes Win 34 pts, 4 assists, 5 Rebounds

Traditional stats could've easily been even higher. The ability was there on Kobe's part. But keep in mind, he was trying to keep Nash, Pau, and Dwight involved with steady usage.

(bleep) MDA for running him those minutes, Those are playoff minutes. Figure out a way to win regular season games without destroying the best SG of all time not named Jordan.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:05 pm    Post subject:

If our next coach does the same thing with Lebron. I will call him out the same way too.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:06 pm    Post subject:

Bickerstaff
D'Antoni
Mike Brown
Luke Walton
Del Harris
Phil Jackson from Jeanie's hotel room with a remote watching the game on TV
Derek Fisher
Magic Johnson
Byron Scott
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:08 pm    Post subject:

I'm just hoping that all of them are not better than the next
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:28 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
akk7 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
MDA.

Right coach, wrong time period and definitely the wrong personnel.

Ironic b/c Pau bristled at launching 3s and now he does that without hesitation.


Pau wasn't the only big man who didn't like MDA. And Kobe pretty much abandoned MDA's "system" to get us into the playoffs.

Not to mention how MDA literally played Kobe till he tore his achilles. People give Thibs (bleep) for running people into the ground. As far as I'm concerned MDA broke Kobe.

But he would've been a great coach for DLO.


You can believe that, or you can believe everyone in the organization or Kobe himself. Kobe broke Kobe.

He’s said it himself.

Pau also was stuck in the championship days. I don’t blame him, but things quickly changed.


Remembering this situation is painful for me.
Ya, we could've won the chip that year if Kobe stayed healthy. He was a superhuman who willed an incohesive team to wins. A god amongst men.
7 game death march leading to achilles tear:

3/30/2013 - 47 minutes Win 19 pts, 14 assists, 9 Rebounds, 2 steals
4/2/2013- 47 minutes Win 23 pts, 11 assists, 11 Rebounds, 4 steals, 2 blocks
4/5/2013- 42 minutes Win 24 pts, 9 assists, 5 Rebounds, 2 steals
4/7/2013- 47 minutes Loss 25 pts, 10 assists, 7 Rebounds,
4/9/2013- 41 minutes Win 30 pts, 6 assists, 6 Rebounds, 5 steals, 1 block
4/10/2013- 48 minutes Win 47 pts, 5 assists, 8 Rebounds, 3 steals, 4 blocks
4/12/2013- 45 minutes Win 34 pts, 4 assists, 5 Rebounds

Traditional stats could've easily been even higher. The ability was there on Kobe's part. But keep in mind, he was trying to keep Nash, Pau, and Dwight involved with steady usage.

(bleep) MDA for running him those minutes, Those are playoff minutes. Figure out a way to win regular season games without destroying the best SG of all time not named Jordan.


Kobe didn't want to come out of games.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:23 pm    Post subject:

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Kobe didn't want to come out of games.


Where's the line? Why does Thibs get blamed but not MDA?
And why couldn't MDA find 1 good lineup on the roster to just play even when Kobe sat? He was too stubborn. And we only made the playoffs when Kobe abandoned what MDA wanted to do.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:05 pm    Post subject:

I'll do it in reverse order:

1) Brown was the best. His coaching staff was solid (Messina, Synder). Installed the 4 out 1 in offense his first year which was a HUGE misfit due to Bynum's inability to facilitate out of the post. Had the right idea with the Princeton but the aging team and injuries just worked against him. Princeton probably could have worked had we given it more time, imo.

2) Hate putting Luke here, but he's probably the second best. D'Antoni is a better coach, but Luke didn't run our stars into the ground trying to run the offense through a 40 year old point guard at a pace way too fast for the average age of our team. Luke is a one trick pony like D'Antoni, lots of high pick and roll with shooters spacing the floor. But because of the circumstances, I'll give it to Luke.

3) D'Antoni. See above.

4) Scott. He was obviously brought into tank and appease Kobe, so won't say much here. Just not a good coach and was saved twice by all star PGs (Kidd, Paul).

Big gap between Brown and Luke. Bigger gap between D'Antoni and Scott.

If we had Brown's coaching staff on this team today, I bet most of us would eagerly take it, lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:49 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
akk7 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
MDA.

Right coach, wrong time period and definitely the wrong personnel.

Ironic b/c Pau bristled at launching 3s and now he does that without hesitation.


Pau wasn't the only big man who didn't like MDA. And Kobe pretty much abandoned MDA's "system" to get us into the playoffs.

Not to mention how MDA literally played Kobe till he tore his achilles. People give Thibs (bleep) for running people into the ground. As far as I'm concerned MDA broke Kobe.

But he would've been a great coach for DLO.


You can believe that, or you can believe everyone in the organization or Kobe himself. Kobe broke Kobe.

He’s said it himself.

Pau also was stuck in the championship days. I don’t blame him, but things quickly changed.


Remembering this situation is painful for me.
Ya, we could've won the chip that year if Kobe stayed healthy. He was a superhuman who willed an incohesive team to wins. A god amongst men.
7 game death march leading to achilles tear:

3/30/2013 - 47 minutes Win 19 pts, 14 assists, 9 Rebounds, 2 steals
4/2/2013- 47 minutes Win 23 pts, 11 assists, 11 Rebounds, 4 steals, 2 blocks
4/5/2013- 42 minutes Win 24 pts, 9 assists, 5 Rebounds, 2 steals
4/7/2013- 47 minutes Loss 25 pts, 10 assists, 7 Rebounds,
4/9/2013- 41 minutes Win 30 pts, 6 assists, 6 Rebounds, 5 steals, 1 block
4/10/2013- 48 minutes Win 47 pts, 5 assists, 8 Rebounds, 3 steals, 4 blocks
4/12/2013- 45 minutes Win 34 pts, 4 assists, 5 Rebounds

Traditional stats could've easily been even higher. The ability was there on Kobe's part. But keep in mind, he was trying to keep Nash, Pau, and Dwight involved with steady usage.

(bleep) MDA for running him those minutes, Those are playoff minutes. Figure out a way to win regular season games without destroying the best SG of all time not named Jordan.


And he had no idea how to use Pau. The “Pau started shooting 3s after MDA” argument is BS. He relegated an almost prime Pau to a spot up corner shooter. Have him shooting 3s is smart, having him as a spot up guy is not. His gimmick system has gotten to a few conference finals and is only successful with a specific roster type with elite talent. A coach needs to be at least somewhat flexible which D’Antoni has proven he is not. He’s an average, possibly slightly above average coach. Best of the guys we’ve had?maybe(although I believe Luke surpasses him with some experience) but that’s not saying much. He’s polarizing because some see his success with a certain roster type and ignore his flaws with other roster types. Meanwhile, others ignore success and focus on his failure as the Lakers coach because he had no idea what to do with that roster.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:32 pm    Post subject:

Byron Scott was the worst, and it isn't even close.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:36 pm    Post subject:

Lucky_Shot wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
MDA
Luke
Brown










Byron


thats how I rank it


This is exactly how I rank them as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:34 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
akk7 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
MDA.

Right coach, wrong time period and definitely the wrong personnel.

Ironic b/c Pau bristled at launching 3s and now he does that without hesitation.


Pau wasn't the only big man who didn't like MDA. And Kobe pretty much abandoned MDA's "system" to get us into the playoffs.

Not to mention how MDA literally played Kobe till he tore his achilles. People give Thibs (bleep) for running people into the ground. As far as I'm concerned MDA broke Kobe.

But he would've been a great coach for DLO.


You can believe that, or you can believe everyone in the organization or Kobe himself. Kobe broke Kobe.

He’s said it himself.

Pau also was stuck in the championship days. I don’t blame him, but things quickly changed.


Remembering this situation is painful for me.
Ya, we could've won the chip that year if Kobe stayed healthy. He was a superhuman who willed an incohesive team to wins. A god amongst men.
7 game death march leading to achilles tear:

3/30/2013 - 47 minutes Win 19 pts, 14 assists, 9 Rebounds, 2 steals
4/2/2013- 47 minutes Win 23 pts, 11 assists, 11 Rebounds, 4 steals, 2 blocks
4/5/2013- 42 minutes Win 24 pts, 9 assists, 5 Rebounds, 2 steals
4/7/2013- 47 minutes Loss 25 pts, 10 assists, 7 Rebounds,
4/9/2013- 41 minutes Win 30 pts, 6 assists, 6 Rebounds, 5 steals, 1 block
4/10/2013- 48 minutes Win 47 pts, 5 assists, 8 Rebounds, 3 steals, 4 blocks
4/12/2013- 45 minutes Win 34 pts, 4 assists, 5 Rebounds

Traditional stats could've easily been even higher. The ability was there on Kobe's part. But keep in mind, he was trying to keep Nash, Pau, and Dwight involved with steady usage.

(bleep) MDA for running him those minutes, Those are playoff minutes. Figure out a way to win regular season games without destroying the best SG of all time not named Jordan.

To be fair to MDA, nothing short of an ICBM from North Korea was going to stop Kobe from staying on the floor during that stretch. He even had to elevate the issue to Mitch because Kobe wouldn't listen.

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Two games and two wins in, D'Antoni knows Bryant's load is adding up. "He has to watch it," D'Antoni says. The Lakers have two days off before they play again, and then they play two games in three days. "We'll have to be careful," D'Antoni adds. "Going forward, we'll try to give him some more time."

"Hopefully," Gasol says, "all those minutes that he's playing won't affect him in a negative way down the road."

How tired Bryant's teammates say he looks after games, well, D'Antoni says this is all news to him.

"I'm not disputing it at all," D'Antoni says today. "I knew it was an abnormal thing, what he was doing. We talked about it. We talked about it every game."

But Bryant didn't budge.

"There was no talking him out of it," D'Antoni says. "I think even at one point, I talked to [Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak] about it. I said, 'Mitch, he can't continue to do this. He's got to come out of the games.' There was no denying him from doing what he wanted to do. We tried. He told me on different occasions, 'Mike, I'll tell you when I'm tired, and I'll tell you when I need to come out.'

"So be it. I didn't think we should get into a wrestling match right there in front of 19,000 people, and that's what it would've taken to get him out of the game, and he just wouldn't come out. It was unbelievable.

"Obviously, it's not ideal, and you don't want that, and you wouldn't play players like that, but again, there was no denying him from doing that. He even said, hey, if other coach didn't take him out, he's not letting me take him out. It is what it is."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/15186931/last-true-days-kobe-bryant
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:57 am    Post subject:

If only Kobe had staged the mutiny earlier, maybe the Lakers aren't scrambling to make the playoffs in the first place.

If only MDA had realized:
Dwight Howard =/= Amar'e Stoudemire
Pau Gasol =/= Shawn Marion
Metta World Peace =/= Quentin Richardson
Kobe Bryant =/= Joe Johnson
all are vastly different players.

And of course, 2013 Steve Nash with nerve damage <<< MVP Nash
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:10 am    Post subject:

MDA
Luke
Brown
Byron.

MDA because at least he was in the PO with the team.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:10 pm    Post subject:

Last, last, last, and last.

How many more damn years are we going to miss the playoffs? Too many changes and not enough true teamwork.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:27 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
MDA
Luke
Brown










Byron




THIS!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:05 pm    Post subject:

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No offense meant, but isn't this like trying to figure out which awful disease you want to perish from?


The worst kind of disease to die from probably involves diarrhea, so whoever is at the bottom of the list is the coaching equivalent to dysentery.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:25 pm    Post subject:

Byron Scott was the worst. He was a Pat Riley clone who lacked the self-awareness that good leaders have, refused to have an open line of communication with his players, made us play a 1990s-style walk it upcourt style of ball and refused to define a role for a pathetic, broken down Kobe.

Mike Brown was the second worst. Great, warm and empathetic guy who I'd like to have a beer with, but as a coach he lacked a backbone, not to mention offensive skill or imagination. I also feel like he was overrated as a defensive mind.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:30 pm    Post subject:

trablos wrote:
kikanga wrote:
akk7 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
MDA.

Right coach, wrong time period and definitely the wrong personnel.

Ironic b/c Pau bristled at launching 3s and now he does that without hesitation.


Pau wasn't the only big man who didn't like MDA. And Kobe pretty much abandoned MDA's "system" to get us into the playoffs.

Not to mention how MDA literally played Kobe till he tore his achilles. People give Thibs (bleep) for running people into the ground. As far as I'm concerned MDA broke Kobe.

But he would've been a great coach for DLO.


You can believe that, or you can believe everyone in the organization or Kobe himself. Kobe broke Kobe.

He’s said it himself.

Pau also was stuck in the championship days. I don’t blame him, but things quickly changed.


Remembering this situation is painful for me.
Ya, we could've won the chip that year if Kobe stayed healthy. He was a superhuman who willed an incohesive team to wins. A god amongst men.
7 game death march leading to achilles tear:

3/30/2013 - 47 minutes Win 19 pts, 14 assists, 9 Rebounds, 2 steals
4/2/2013- 47 minutes Win 23 pts, 11 assists, 11 Rebounds, 4 steals, 2 blocks
4/5/2013- 42 minutes Win 24 pts, 9 assists, 5 Rebounds, 2 steals
4/7/2013- 47 minutes Loss 25 pts, 10 assists, 7 Rebounds,
4/9/2013- 41 minutes Win 30 pts, 6 assists, 6 Rebounds, 5 steals, 1 block
4/10/2013- 48 minutes Win 47 pts, 5 assists, 8 Rebounds, 3 steals, 4 blocks
4/12/2013- 45 minutes Win 34 pts, 4 assists, 5 Rebounds

Traditional stats could've easily been even higher. The ability was there on Kobe's part. But keep in mind, he was trying to keep Nash, Pau, and Dwight involved with steady usage.

(bleep) MDA for running him those minutes, Those are playoff minutes. Figure out a way to win regular season games without destroying the best SG of all time not named Jordan.

To be fair to MDA, nothing short of an ICBM from North Korea was going to stop Kobe from staying on the floor during that stretch. He even had to elevate the issue to Mitch because Kobe wouldn't listen.


In the 2010-11 season, Phil got Kobe to play just 33 minutes, which was much less than he was used to playing, because his knee was messed up. Phil also got Kobe to sit out practice, which actually ended up hurting the team.

I think the problem here was that Kobe didn't respect MDA as much as Phil (totally understandable), and when you combine that with our situation when it came to trying the make the playoffs, that's why Kobe wouldn't sit out any stretch of games back then. It wasn't Kobe as much as it was the fact that we hired a coach he maybe didn't approve of instead of hiring a coach in Phil that he had a great relationship with and was the right coach for that particular team.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:54 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
MDA
Luke
Brown










Byron


Yup.
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