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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 1:26 am    Post subject:

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2020-21 LAKERS SALARY

Bron-40M

Kawhi-33

Cap-109M

36M left for AD and rest.


Are you counting the 8.4 million for 9 minimum holds (933k each) and Luol Deng's 5 million stretch?

SOmeone's about to get Bard up his ass


there's a loophole on the min holds right?


Not aware of the loophole.

I just ran the numbers on Shamsports capulator. Renounced every player. Just Kawhi (34 mil) and Lebron (39) and Deng (5) on the books. 9 min holds gives us 25.8 mil in cap space. A little over 8 short of AD's max.

Oof, having to fill the roster with 9 vet mins. There's a team that can't afford any injuries.



A cap hold called an "incomplete roster charge" if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). This charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player fewer than 12. For example, if there are 11 players included in team salary, then an amount equal to the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary5; if the roster is completely empty, then 12 times the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary. This charge only applies during the offseason.




$4,990,000.......Deng (stretch waiver charge)

$39,219,565.....LeBron James (1)
$34,335,000.....2019 30% Max (2)

$34,800,000.....Davis (3)

$954,773..........(4)
$954,773..........(5)
$954,773..........(6)
$954,773..........(7)
$954,773..........(8)
$954,773..........(9)
$954,773..........(10)
$954,773..........(11)
$954,773..........(12)
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$121,937,522
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 1:41 am    Post subject:

Deeks hasn't updated his numbers on the Capulator for the 2020-21 salary cap and that keeps the minimum salary charge on the low side.


NBA cap projection lowered for 2020-21 season

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The NBA has informed teams that its updated projected salary cap and tax level remain unchanged for next season and is $2 million lower for the 2020-21 season, Shams Charania of The Athletic tweets.

The league projects a cap of $109 million for next season and a $132 million threshold when the luxury tax kicks in. Its projection for the 2020-21 season is a $116 million salary cap and a $141 million tax level.

The stable projection for the 2019-20 season means that budgets set for free agency don’t have to be altered. The teams projected to have the most cap space to pursue free agents include the Knicks, Clippers, Nets, Mavericks, Hawks, Pacers, Lakers, Kings and 76ers.

The salary cap this season is $101,869,000 with a luxury-tax threshold of $123,733,000.



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The NBA has informed its teams of updated projected salary cap and tax level that is unchanged in 2019-20 ($109M/$132M) — and $2M lower in 2020-21 ($116M/$141M), sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 1:50 am    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
2020-21 LAKERS SALARY

Bron-40M

Kawhi-33

Cap-109M

36M left for AD and rest.


Are you counting the 8.4 million for 9 minimum holds (933k each) and Luol Deng's 5 million stretch?

SOmeone's about to get Bard up his ass


there's a loophole on the min holds right?


Not aware of the loophole.

I just ran the numbers on Shamsports capulator. Renounced every player. Just Kawhi (34 mil) and Lebron (39) and Deng (5) on the books. 9 min holds gives us 25.8 mil in cap space. A little over 8 short of AD's max.

Oof, having to fill the roster with 9 vet mins. There's a team that can't afford any injuries.



A cap hold called an "incomplete roster charge" if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). This charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player fewer than 12. For example, if there are 11 players included in team salary, then an amount equal to the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary5; if the roster is completely empty, then 12 times the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary. This charge only applies during the offseason.




$4,990,000.......Deng (stretch waiver charge)

$39,219,565.....LeBron James (1)
$34,335,000.....2019 30% Max (2)

$34,800,000.....Davis (3)

$954,773..........(4)
$954,773..........(5)
$954,773..........(6)
$954,773..........(7)
$954,773..........(8)
$954,773..........(9)
$954,773..........(10)
$954,773..........(11)
$954,773..........(12)
_____________
$121,937,522


So that leaves us about 6 million short of AD's max?

Good thing the "Cap Expert" Pelinka stretched Deng for no reason.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 1:56 am    Post subject:

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The AD ship has long since sailed.

The best bet for us is to sign a marquee free agent and roll the dice with it.

LeBron, Kuz, BI, Lonzo, FA TBD, +#4 pick should be enough for us to contend.

We have the cap space.

The #4 pick should be packaged in a trade for a dead eye shooter to spread the floor and open things up for BI/LBJ.



Joe Harris will be making $7.67 million next season which will be fairly close to the $7 million that the #4 will make. Considering that Brooklyn signed him as a FA, getting the #4 for Harris would be a good return for them.

I don't see the Lakers trading the #4 for Harris, but a player of that type fits the specs of being a good shooter and has a salary similar to that of the #4.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:02 am    Post subject:

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Good thing the "Cap Expert" Pelinka stretched Deng for no reason.

Do you really believe Pelinka should have known to maintain cap-space for three max FAs (2 x 7-9 year max FAs, and 1 x 10+ year max FA)... at a time when we only just got our first max FA since Kobe... when not a single person knew that AD was going to push to get out of NO the way he did... we knew that every other team would rather poke their own eyes out than trade a max worthy FA to us... when we weren't planning to be in the lottery, having signed LeBron, so our pick should have been a lot lower and cost a lot less... and when his boss, Magic, planned to go after two max FAs total, not three? Call me crazy if you will, but I don't think that's a stick to beat Pelinka with (or Magic).


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:33 am    Post subject:

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Bard207 wrote:

$4,990,000.......Deng (stretch waiver charge)

$39,219,565.....LeBron James (1)
$34,335,000.....2019 30% Max (2)

$34,800,000.....Davis (3)

$954,773..........(4)
$954,773..........(5)
$954,773..........(6)
$954,773..........(7)
$954,773..........(8)
$954,773..........(9)
$954,773..........(10)
$954,773..........(11)
$954,773..........(12)
_____________
$121,937,522


So that leaves us about 6 million short of AD's max?

Good thing the "Cap Expert" Pelinka stretched Deng for no reason.



LeBron, 2019 Max, Davis, room exception plus an army of minimum salary players would be a high risk strategy.


Since they lucked into the #4, they would have had a shot at packaging Deng and #4 for a later first round pick.


Boston has multiple first round picks and could redirect Deng to a third team. (#14, #20, #22)

Brooklyn has an extra first and could try to work a deal to redirect Deng to a third team if they didn't want his contract in their cap space. (#17, #27, #31)

San Antonio has an extra first and could try to work a deal to redirect Deng to a third team if they didn't want his contract in their cap space. (#19 and #29).

Atlanta has #8, #10, #35, #41 and #44. They also have some extra future picks to work with.


Overall, they would have had options to at least lower and maybe even completely dump the amount of unwanted/bad salary.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:40 am    Post subject:

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It really would make sense for the Pelicans to agree to a trade with a team on Draft night, so that they know who they are picking if a trade includes draft picks this year. As far as the Lakers are concerned, the threat of holding the cap space open for Davis next year could still exist on Draft night, even if I loathe the idea of us doing that again. I think other teams will be willing to make a play for him as a one-year rental, but I think he's said he would only re-sign in L.A. or New York. (I truly think Boston won't be a part of this in the end.) If push comes to shove, I think we can outbid the Knicks, as the difference between the #3 pick and the #4 pick this year is pretty negligible. And while the Clippers could be a threat, I question whether or not they even want to be that aggressive for Davis.

I suppose I'd take "the field" as the favorite to get AD if I were a betting man, but I think we have a realistic shot. I guess it's also possible that the Knicks will feel totally desperate, will offer everything, and we just don't feel like it's worth it to give up the "Godfather offer."



They already announced their intentions for AD.

They want to keep him.


And he said he still wants to be traded
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:51 am    Post subject:

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Good thing the "Cap Expert" Pelinka stretched Deng for no reason.

Do you really believe Pelinka should have known to maintain cap-space for three max FAs (2 x 7-9 year max FAs, and 1 x 10+ year max FA)... at a time when we only just got our first max FA since Kobe... when not a single person knew that AD was going to push to get out of NO the way he did... we knew that every other team would rather poke their own eyes out than trade a max worthy FA to us... when we weren't planning to be in the lottery, having signed LeBron, so our pick should have been a lot lower and cost a lot less... and when his boss, Magic, planned to go after two max FAs total, not three? Call me crazy if you will, but I don't think that's a stick to beat Pelinka with (or Magic).


Yes. A good GM should be looking 2-3 years ahead. This is a front office obsessed with putting 2 or 3 max players together. It's the only kind of "team-building" they can think of. Why did they trade Dangelo Russell so soon? CAP SPACE. It's all these idiots know. They should have known 5 million in 2020 would leave them short of 3 max players.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:25 am    Post subject:

Davis will be traded during or before the draft.

The Pelicans WILL trade with the Lakers. Why? Because the Lakers, easily, have the best package.

If the Lakers try to get the Pelicans to wait on a trade until the Lakers sign their free agent, the Pelicans will take the Knicks offer. Why? Because there is no way the Pelicans will help the Lakers get both Davis and Leonard. The Pelicans will give the Lakers Davis for a steep price, but they won't allow themselves to assist the Lakers in finessing their way to acquire multiple top players.

If the Lakers want Davis, they'll have to strike at or before the draft.

Trade for Davis now, hope that a top free agent comes to play with both Davis and James, and hope that whichever free agent is interested will be willing to take 2 million or so under the max. A bit of a tall task, I suppose, but not beyond the realm of possibility.

Fact is, once you get Davis (and you have to get him right now), the draw for free agents instantly becomes championships. Leonard could choose to either play with Siakim and Lowry or James and Davis.

You get Davis now, I think the Lakers would have a legit chance at Leonard.

Ingram, Garland (#4), Ball (or #7), and Hart

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Davis

PG - James - Stephenson (min)
SG - Caruso - Curry (room)
C - Davis - Chandler (min)
PF - Wagner - Kuzma
SF - Leonard - Troy Daniels (min)


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:29 am    Post subject:

Hopefully Griffin thinks that the Knicks offer of something like:

Knox, Robinson, filler, #3 drafted, 2020 1st, 2021 Dallas first is a better haul.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:37 am    Post subject:

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Hopefully Griffin thinks that the Knicks offer of something like:

Knox, Robinson, filler, #3 drafted, 2020 1st, 2021 Dallas first is a better haul.

They only take that offer if the Lakers try to stall.

But you and I both know the Lakers' offer is better.

It's alot to give up if you're the Lakers, but acquiring Davis is the ONLY way to get another top guy to come. Leonard ain't coming here for just James. That won’t sell him on rings. James and Davis will, so it's worth giving up on Ingram and Ball, IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 3:53 am    Post subject:

To get Davis it's probably going to take the #4 pick, Ingram, Kuz, and a future 1st round unprotected pick. That's a better package than what NY has.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:01 am    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
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Good thing the "Cap Expert" Pelinka stretched Deng for no reason.

Do you really believe Pelinka should have known to maintain cap-space for three max FAs (2 x 7-9 year max FAs, and 1 x 10+ year max FA)... at a time when we only just got our first max FA since Kobe... when not a single person knew that AD was going to push to get out of NO the way he did... we knew that every other team would rather poke their own eyes out than trade a max worthy FA to us... when we weren't planning to be in the lottery, having signed LeBron, so our pick should have been a lot lower and cost a lot less... and when his boss, Magic, planned to go after two max FAs total, not three? Call me crazy if you will, but I don't think that's a stick to beat Pelinka with (or Magic).


Yes. A good GM should be looking 2-3 years ahead. This is a front office obsessed with putting 2 or 3 max players together. It's the only kind of "team-building" they can think of. Why did they trade Dangelo Russell so soon? CAP SPACE. It's all these idiots know. They should have known 5 million in 2020 would leave them short of 3 max players.


We dont need AD..what we need to do with the pick is trade it for

#4+linda+kurt Rambis+ A Lurking Phil Jackson for just One "D"ecent GM...
Can we do this trade? Pleeeeeease!
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:05 am    Post subject:

Purp 32 wrote:
To get Davis it's probably going to take the #4 pick, Ingram, Kuz, and a future 1st round unprotected pick. That's a better package than what NY has.


Two Questions : You want to go the Brooklyn Nets route? How did that turn out?
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:32 am    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Hero Ball wrote:
2020-21 LAKERS SALARY

Bron-40M

Kawhi-33

Cap-109M

36M left for AD and rest.


Are you counting the 8.4 million for 9 minimum holds (933k each) and Luol Deng's 5 million stretch?

SOmeone's about to get Bard up his ass


there's a loophole on the min holds right?


Not aware of the loophole.

I just ran the numbers on Shamsports capulator. Renounced every player. Just Kawhi (34 mil) and Lebron (39) and Deng (5) on the books. 9 min holds gives us 25.8 mil in cap space. A little over 8 short of AD's max.

Oof, having to fill the roster with 9 vet mins. There's a team that can't afford any injuries.



A cap hold called an "incomplete roster charge" if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). This charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player fewer than 12. For example, if there are 11 players included in team salary, then an amount equal to the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary5; if the roster is completely empty, then 12 times the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary. This charge only applies during the offseason.


Isn't the offseason traditionally when we're trying to sign free agents?



This year sign Kawhi in the off season.

Next year, we sign AD during the season when the minimum salary charge does not apply and we get cap space by Trading everyone for picks except for Bron and Kawhi.

Picks don't get a cap hold right?

Fill up the roster with ring chasing mofos. Pay the luxury.

Ugly but doable in theory.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:34 am    Post subject:

or if we can sign Kawhi and just forget about AD.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:49 am    Post subject:

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or if we can sign Kawhi and just forget about AD.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:50 am    Post subject:

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or if we can sign Kawhi and just forget about AD.


Too bad we're probably getting neither
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:53 am    Post subject:

You can't renounce players with years left under contract. IF it was the case, we would have renounce Deng last year
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:54 am    Post subject:

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or if we can sign Kawhi and just forget about AD.


Too bad we're probably getting neither
for the pessimist the glass is always half empty.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 4:56 am    Post subject:

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You can't renounce players with years left under contract. IF it was the case, we would have renounce Deng last year


that's why we trade them
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:07 am    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
methdxman wrote:
The AD ship has long since sailed.

The best bet for us is to sign a marquee free agent and roll the dice with it.

LeBron, Kuz, BI, Lonzo, FA TBD, +#4 pick should be enough for us to contend.

We have the cap space.

The #4 pick should be packaged in a trade for a dead eye shooter to spread the floor and open things up for BI/LBJ.



Joe Harris will be making $7.67 million next season which will be fairly close to the $7 million that the #4 will make. Considering that Brooklyn signed him as a FA, getting the #4 for Harris would be a good return for them.

I don't see the Lakers trading the #4 for Harris, but a player of that type fits the specs of being a good shooter and has a salary similar to that of the #4.


Wow. Trading the #4 pick for the likes of Joe Harris would be worse than the Deng/Mosgov fiascos that got the Nets Deangelo Russell in the first place.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:27 am    Post subject:

vakobe wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
methdxman wrote:
The AD ship has long since sailed.

The best bet for us is to sign a marquee free agent and roll the dice with it.

LeBron, Kuz, BI, Lonzo, FA TBD, +#4 pick should be enough for us to contend.

We have the cap space.

The #4 pick should be packaged in a trade for a dead eye shooter to spread the floor and open things up for BI/LBJ.



Joe Harris will be making $7.67 million next season which will be fairly close to the $7 million that the #4 will make. Considering that Brooklyn signed him as a FA, getting the #4 for Harris would be a good return for them.

I don't see the Lakers trading the #4 for Harris, but a player of that type fits the specs of being a good shooter and has a salary similar to that of the #4.


Wow. Trading the #4 pick for the likes of Joe Harris would be worse than the Deng/Mosgov fiascos that got the Nets Deangelo Russell in the first place.


Joe Harris...omg.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:44 am    Post subject:

Joe Harris? That's the only player to come up with? He's not very good.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 5:46 am    Post subject:

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or if we can sign Kawhi and just forget about AD.


Kawhi and shooters is all we need.
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