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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 8:32 am    Post subject:

kfkilla wrote:
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As of today, and I say this with not really delving TOO deep into the prospects, my preference for us at #4:

1. Garland
2. Culver
3. Hunter
4. Trade for 8/10 (unlikely).


Same, but I still think I want to trade for 8/10 #1.

but that dips into the Max salary space


Yes I know. But I'm not the guy that even wants to maximize LeBron's tenure with the Lakers anymore. Every decision is based around the cap and it has hurt the Lakers for years.


The cap game is lazy management. Building a team by having max slots is literally what ANYONE on this board could do. If your not mentally handicapped and if you can add and subtract. Congratulations you can figure out how to save money to make an offer. Talent evaluators have to be able to find diamonds in the rough. Take chances on players, draft well, find those hidden gems that are not getting many minutes. If making 5M dollars a year or whatever a GM makes is being able to add and subtract and call super star agents once a year then sign me up! The Lakers need to ditch this idea. And I don’t mean ditch it the same way Mitch and Jim did. They tried this max slot nonesense for a few years and threw their hands up and gave the money to Mozgov and Deng. Lack of creativity is mind blowing.


The Clippers are doing it in the way the Lakers did in the mid 90s. And they're better at it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:08 am    Post subject:

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.499 TS% for Cam? Woof.

Is there any good NBA player that scored that inefficiently his freshman year?


Incredibly hard to find. I remember someone posted it on twitter, and they had very short NBA careers.


Caris Levert?

But he only played 10 or so mpg.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:13 am    Post subject:

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I am fine with Garland. I think he is a CJ McCollum at worse


Mo Williams is a good, realistic, achievable comp.


Feel Jeff Teague is a more appropriate comp.

Mo really benefited from playing with Lebron where he was able to be a shot maker.

Garland can be a better shot creator than Mo Williams
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:16 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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As of today, and I say this with not really delving TOO deep into the prospects, my preference for us at #4:

1. Garland
2. Culver
3. Hunter
4. Trade for 8/10 (unlikely).


Same, but I still think I want to trade for 8/10 #1.


This FO will never make that trade. A trade like this requires a vision and our FO doesn't have one.

I'd love to get KPJ with 8 / 10.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:18 am    Post subject:

As I continue to watch tape on these draftees, the 2 that stand out continue to be Garland and Culver. If we stay at 4, one of these two would be grand.

Personally i would like to trade to 8 and 10. Pick up Goga or Clarke as a big and then take a real hard look at a possible sleeper in 5 star recruit Darius Bazley. i know, he is currently being looked at in the 2nd round, BUT that's what a sleeper is guys. 2nd rounder with lottery talent. He looks like a real steal to me. The old Manu, Tony Parker, Draymond Green type of steal/sleeper
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:25 am    Post subject:

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Draft cannot get here soon enough.

When can you start scheduling guys for workouts?


I would not concern myself with these workouts that we do for show....already promised Garland or Reddish
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:33 am    Post subject:

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.499 TS% for Cam? Woof.

Is there any good NBA player that scored that inefficiently his freshman year?


Incredibly hard to find. I remember someone posted it on twitter, and they had very short NBA careers.


Caris Levert?

But he only played 10 or so mpg.


Oh no. My son can play at a high level.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:35 am    Post subject:

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I am fine with Garland. I think he is a CJ McCollum at worse


Mo Williams is a good, realistic, achievable comp.


Feel Jeff Teague is a more appropriate comp.

Mo really benefited from playing with Lebron where he was able to be a shot maker.

Garland can be a better shot creator than Mo Williams


I don't like the Teague comparison because he has more speed than short range quickness.

Also, Mo Williams had better statistical output years. Started in MIL before CLE.

And yes, Garland can be a better shot creator than Mo Williams, but this is about what a median outcome looks like.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:38 am    Post subject:

kfkilla wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Mike@LG wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
As of today, and I say this with not really delving TOO deep into the prospects, my preference for us at #4:

1. Garland
2. Culver
3. Hunter
4. Trade for 8/10 (unlikely).


Same, but I still think I want to trade for 8/10 #1.

but that dips into the Max salary space


Yes I know. But I'm not the guy that even wants to maximize LeBron's tenure with the Lakers anymore. Every decision is based around the cap and it has hurt the Lakers for years.


The cap game is lazy management. Building a team by having max slots is literally what ANYONE on this board could do. If your not mentally handicapped and if you can add and subtract. Congratulations you can figure out how to save money to make an offer. Talent evaluators have to be able to find diamonds in the rough. Take chances on players, draft well, find those hidden gems that are not getting many minutes. If making 5M dollars a year or whatever a GM makes is being able to add and subtract and call super star agents once a year then sign me up! The Lakers need to ditch this idea. And I don’t mean ditch it the same way Mitch and Jim did. They tried this max slot nonesense for a few years and threw their hands up and gave the money to Mozgov and Deng. Lack of creativity is mind blowing.

not sure who youre preaching to but Lebron or no Lebron the best way to win now or in the future is by loading up on elite players. It is no coincidence that the conference finals has all 5 of the top 5 best players in the NBA right now:
Giannis
Kawhi
KD
Steph
Harden

If you have a legit chance at players like Kawhi or Kyrie you have to go all out and pursue those leads which obviously starts by having the cap room to sign to them.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:45 am    Post subject:

Sign me up for the trade down option!
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:50 am    Post subject:

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Wander if we can get a 2ND round pick and draft Carsen Edwards?

Dude can be our JJ redick


You saw his shooting percentages right?


Yes...but I also saw him shoot in the Tournament. He was hitting shots from curry range. Make him our6 man he will light up the league
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:51 am    Post subject:

still do not understand why we are putting off workouts.....came across a google doc linked on twitter with a full page of workouts and scheduled workouts for the Celtics
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:52 am    Post subject:

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Wander if we can get a 2ND round pick and draft Carsen Edwards?

Dude can be our JJ redick


You saw his shooting percentages right?


Yes...but I also saw him shoot in the Tournament. He was hitting shots from curry range. Make him our6 man he will light up the league


Just like Trey Burke, right?
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:53 am    Post subject:

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Wander if we can get a 2ND round pick and draft Carsen Edwards?

Dude can be our JJ redick


You saw his shooting percentages right?


Yes...but I also saw him shoot in the Tournament. He was hitting shots from curry range. Make him our6 man he will light up the league


Carsen's efficiency clearly dropped this year from last because he went from being the best offensive player on a good offensive team last year to basically the entire offense this year.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:55 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
noahp45 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Wander if we can get a 2ND round pick and draft Carsen Edwards?

Dude can be our JJ redick


You saw his shooting percentages right?


Yes...but I also saw him shoot in the Tournament. He was hitting shots from curry range. Make him our6 man he will light up the league


Just like Trey Burke, right?


No I was thinking a Prime Culver or a prime JJ.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:57 am    Post subject:

noahp45 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
noahp45 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Wander if we can get a 2ND round pick and draft Carsen Edwards?

Dude can be our JJ redick


You saw his shooting percentages right?


Yes...but I also saw him shoot in the Tournament. He was hitting shots from curry range. Make him our6 man he will light up the league


Just like Trey Burke, right?


No I was thinking a Prime Culver or a prime JJ.


A second round pick for Carsen Edwards is ideal.

But saying he's a JJ Redick just isn't a fair comparison.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:20 am    Post subject:

@Mike@LG You wasn't sure the last time I asked but have you decided between Goga vs. Hayes?

You know my preference I believe.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:29 am    Post subject:

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@Mike@LG You wasn't sure the last time I asked but have you decided between Goga vs. Hayes?

You know my preference I believe.


Goga. I don't know enough about Jaxson's intangibles. I just know he's still growing into his own body and I would expect him to be a better player, eventually.

But Goga, I know that guy's rate of improvement and his skillset of the past 2-3 years.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:33 am    Post subject:

audioaxes wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
As of today, and I say this with not really delving TOO deep into the prospects, my preference for us at #4:

1. Garland
2. Culver
3. Hunter
4. Trade for 8/10 (unlikely).


Same, but I still think I want to trade for 8/10 #1.

but that dips into the Max salary space


Couldnt we trade Wagner for a future draft pick to free up the required space? I would much rather have 8 & 10 than 4 and Wagner.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:36 am    Post subject:

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Couldnt we trade Wagner for a future draft pick to free up the required space? I would much rather have 8 & 10 than 4 and Wagner.


I would trade Wagner for a high 2nd Round pick in this draft
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:41 am    Post subject:

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Couldnt we trade Wagner for a future draft pick to free up the required space? I would much rather have 8 & 10 than 4 and Wagner.


I would trade Wagner for a high 2nd Round pick in this draft


The benefit of that is the non guaranteed contract of the 2nd rounder. Wagner has a cap # of $2,063,520 and the 2nd rounder wouldnt even have a guaranteed contract. Bonga only made $1M last year.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:43 am    Post subject:

Wagner will make more than Kuzma and Hart next year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/cap/2019/
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:43 am    Post subject:

I still like Garland as my #1 option.
Followed by trading down, then Hunter, Culver/Cam.
Despite the cons to Garland, he has an NBA ready shot.
I'm sure most saw the vid posted recently where he said his fav team was the Lakers. In that, he took 25 NBA 3's (granted, just messing around, no one guarding him etc), and he hit 22 out of 25. Just looks like a machine, effortless and automatic.
I remember watching similar vid of Simmons/Ingram a few years ago, and NEITHER could hit a 3 to save their life.
So I see the shooting as NBA ready.
The next question is, can he get a shot off? No one knows for sure, but I see elite handles and change of speed/direction. At Vandy he got it off at will (does not necessarily mean he will be able to in the NBA). I still think the potential is there.
Third,, I think he could work well WITH Zo. His catch and shoot ops were very limited, but the one's he had he made, so I feel he can work with or without Lonzo. Being able to fill the shooting void and the backup PG role makes him a fit IMO.
Lastly, his father being an NBA player. I know there are examples both ways, but usually I see these guys understanding the discipline and mental toughness needed.
So for me, he is still my #1 option.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 11:10 am    Post subject:

The top-12 of this draft is shaping up to be a lot stronger than originally thought.

I don't see an obvious star after #1, but there are enough high-upside players in the top-10 that someone will put it all together and become another star.

I can easily see 4-5 all-stars from the top-12 in this draft, just can't confidently say who they will be.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 11:28 am    Post subject:

My thoughts on Garland vs. Reddish or essentially PG vs. Wing (SG, SF).

Looking back in history I cannot recall a championship team being led by a ball dominant PG. Westbrook OKC, Lillard Trailblazers and Kyrie Celtics reinforce this thought. While some may point to Curry I have always maintained that while he has PG skills his primary function and role is as a scoring wing.

In regards to Garland I am not concerned about his PG skills but more so in his ability to become a high level scorer. I have not seen confirmed measurements on his height/weight/wingspan/standing reach but with his handles, body control and shooting skills he has the necessary skill set to become one. He also doesn't need to be ball dominant to be an effective scorer.

Reddish better fits the profile of the dominant wings (MJ, Kobe, LBJ, Durant, KL) except he is a level down athletically. He has great measurables and has the prerequisite handles and body control of a dominant wing but his shooting will need to develop to compensate for the negative athleticism.

It has been noted by many Reddish's poor scoring in the paint. He most likely was able to dominate in high school without learning how to score against similar or better athletes. I believe this is a learned skill that is similar to how BI has progressed.

If Reddish exhibited higher athleticism and shot better this year I would give him serious consideration at 4 but with too many if's about him I feel Garland is the better pick.

I do have one caveat, I would give Goga serious consideration at 4 if he proves in workouts his shooting skill and athleticism.
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