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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:52 am    Post subject: Question for Salary Cap Experts: Can Lakers agree to a trade BEFORE signing a free agent?

Example:

1. On June 20 (Draft Night), the Lakers draft Garland with #4.

2. Lakers and Pelicans agree to a trade. Trade is Ball, Ingram, Garland and Kuzma for AD. Trade can not be made official until 30 days after Garland is signed.

3. Garland signs on June 21st. Trade not official until July 21st.

My question is, how much cap space do we have to work with when free agency starts? Do we use the salary cap numbers before or after the trade? If we use the salary cap numbers before the trade, we basically end up with enough cap space to sign a max free agent. At that point, we would have to trim a little bit more salary, between Wagner, Hart and Bonga. Having AD joining in a pending trade could benefit us in negotiating with free agents.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:08 am    Post subject:

They would use salary numbers for the 2019-2020 season. The trade can be made today using 2018-2019 salary numbers as long as no potential FAs are involved.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:18 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
They would use salary numbers for the 2019-2020 season. The trade can be made today using 2018-2019 salary numbers as long as no potential FAs are involved.


Wait, but didn't the trade deadline already pass and the season hasn't ended yet?

You sure they can make a trade today?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Question for Salary Cap Experts: Can Lakers agree to a trade BEFORE signing a free agent?

scoobs wrote:
Example:

1. On June 20 (Draft Night), the Lakers draft Garland with #4.

2. Lakers and Pelicans agree to a trade. Trade is Ball, Ingram, Garland and Kuzma for AD. Trade can not be made official until 30 days after Garland is signed.

3. Garland signs on June 21st. Trade not official until July 21st.

My question is, how much cap space do we have to work with when free agency starts? Do we use the salary cap numbers before or after the trade? If we use the salary cap numbers before the trade, we basically end up with enough cap space to sign a max free agent. At that point, we would have to trim a little bit more salary, between Wagner, Hart and Bonga. Having AD joining in a pending trade could benefit us in negotiating with free agents.


My guess is anything that's not official doesn't affect anything.

I don't think there are such things as unofficial trades affecting the salary cap.

So on July 21st, the trade's got to meet the trade requirements, not on June 20 (Draft night).

Again, just a guess.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:42 am    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
They would use salary numbers for the 2019-2020 season. The trade can be made today using 2018-2019 salary numbers as long as no potential FAs are involved.


Wait, but didn't the trade deadline already pass and the season hasn't ended yet?

You sure they can make a trade today?


Once your season ends (eliminated from playoffs) you can start trading again.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:50 am    Post subject:

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venturalakersfan wrote:
They would use salary numbers for the 2019-2020 season. The trade can be made today using 2018-2019 salary numbers as long as no potential FAs are involved.


Wait, but didn't the trade deadline already pass and the season hasn't ended yet?

You sure they can make a trade today?


I’m pretty sure that teams out of the playoffs can make trades as long as FAs or options aren’t involved. Didn’t Brooklyn and Atlanta just do that?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:59 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
They would use salary numbers for the 2019-2020 season. The trade can be made today using 2018-2019 salary numbers as long as no potential FAs are involved.


Wait, but didn't the trade deadline already pass and the season hasn't ended yet?

You sure they can make a trade today?


I’m pretty sure that teams out of the playoffs can make trades as long as FAs or options aren’t involved. Didn’t Brooklyn and Atlanta just do that?


A source confirmed the deal to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the trade cannot become official until July 6.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:00 am    Post subject:

k1ngph1l wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
They would use salary numbers for the 2019-2020 season. The trade can be made today using 2018-2019 salary numbers as long as no potential FAs are involved.


Wait, but didn't the trade deadline already pass and the season hasn't ended yet?

You sure they can make a trade today?


Once your season ends (eliminated from playoffs) you can start trading again.


You might be right. It seems an odd rule that half the league can trade and other other half can't.

Edit: Yeah, you're right.

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NBA Offseason Trade Restrictions
May 22nd 2018 at 12:54pm CST by Luke Adams

While the NBA’s offseason trade market generally doesn’t officially swing into gear until after the NBA Finals end, teams can technically begin making deals after they’re eliminated from the playoffs. That means all 26 clubs that aren’t taking part in the Conference Finals are eligible to make trades now, if they so choose.

As teams weigh potential summer trades, they’ll have to take into account a few groups of players whose trade eligibility – or lack thereof – may impact possible deals. While most players under contract through the summer are eligible to be moved, there are some exceptions. Here are the players who can’t be dealt for part or all of the offseason due to various trade rules:

Pending free agents
Players whose contracts will expire on June 30 can’t be traded prior to that date. Beginning in July, they can be moved in sign-and-trade deals, but those are rare. Once a 2018 free agent officially signs a new contract, he is ineligible to be traded until at least December 15, and perhaps even later than that if he meets certain criteria.

Player with options
Players who have team or player options for 2018/19 can’t be traded before those option decisions are made. In other words, a club can’t acquire a player with a team option in June, then decline that option before the end of the month as a way to create cap room.

However, a player who has an option year for ’18/19 on his contract technically can be traded, either before or after the new league year begins on July 1. As part of the deal though, his option would need to be exercised. That’s what happened last year with Chris Paul, for instance, when he was sent from Los Angeles to Houston.

So if the Clippers want to trade DeAndre Jordan this summer, they’d have to rely on him exercising his player option for next season. If he turns down that option, he can’t be moved prior to June 30, and could only be moved in a sign-and-trade in July, significantly reducing the odds of a deal.

Recently signed players
The NBA’s Collective Bargaining Agreement doesn’t allow a team to trade a player within three months of signing him. So a player who signed with a team on February 23 still isn’t eligible to be dealt, as of today. Here are the players who signed multiyear contracts near the end of the 2017/18 season and aren’t yet eligible to be traded, along with dates representing the end of their three-month windows:

Players who received Designated Veteran Extensions
Rookie scale extensions and standard veteran extensions impose some trade restrictions on players, but the Designated Veteran Extension takes those restrictions to another level by preventing its recipients from being traded for one full calendar year. That means anyone who signs such a deal this summer – say, Kawhi Leonard – wouldn’t be able to be traded for 12 months.

Waiver claims

This restriction doesn’t apply to anyone yet, but players who are claimed off waivers during the offseason can’t be traded until the 30th day of the following season. That means a team claiming a player off waivers this summer won’t be eligible to trade that player until mid-November.

Recently signed draftees
Recently drafted players are often dealt on draft night before they’ve officially signed their first NBA contracts, since there are no restrictions limiting a team’s ability to trade a player’s draft rights. However, once the player officially signs his rookie contract, he can’t be moved for a full month (30 days).

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/05/nba-offseason-trade-restrictions.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:40 pm    Post subject:

https://mobile.twitter.com/LarryCoon/status/1140335681517916160 I asked thai same question on June 7th. It would of been nice if Larry Coon would of responded to the question back then, given the fact that he is a salary cap expert and moderator on this forum. Has he gone Hollywood and not good enough for LG anymore or what? Whatever the case, it sounds like Laker management may be exploring this idea and I'm glad that they are.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:14 pm    Post subject:

scoobs wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LarryCoon/status/1140335681517916160 I asked thai same question on June 7th. It would of been nice if Larry Coon would of responded to the question back then, given the fact that he is a salary cap expert and moderator on this forum. Has he gone Hollywood and not good enough for LG anymore or what? Whatever the case, it sounds like Laker management may be exploring this idea and I'm glad that they are.


I'll answer that question on my TV show tonight.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:25 pm    Post subject:

LarryCoon wrote:
scoobs wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LarryCoon/status/1140335681517916160 I asked thai same question on June 7th. It would of been nice if Larry Coon would of responded to the question back then, given the fact that he is a salary cap expert and moderator on this forum. Has he gone Hollywood and not good enough for LG anymore or what? Whatever the case, it sounds like Laker management may be exploring this idea and I'm glad that they are.


I'll answer that question on my TV show tonight.
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