OFFICIAL GENERAL FREE AGENCY/TRADE THREAD (No Kawhi, But Lakers Sign Green, Cook, KCP, Caruso, Cousins, Dudley, Daniels, McGee & Bradley)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:44 pm    Post subject:

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The Lakers' defense collapsed without Lonzo. Collapsed. Literally the next game and for the rest of the season. Lonzo is worth more than Kuz because he's a fantastic defender and passer and doesn't need the ball to make a difference. Kuz needs to increase his offensive efficiency or else he's nothing more than a volume scorer. Yeah, he's cheap, but at the point that he needs to get paid, he may be another JC, just as a forward.


Zo can be a DPOY in a couple of seasons, his defense is that good. I agree about Kuz, he’s my least favorite to keep out of the young 3.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:45 pm    Post subject:

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Regardless of the Nets, if Jimmy Butler wants to be in LA I can see him taking a deal starting at 27M with AD here. LA would concede a 4th year player option to get it done. Darren Collison for the room exception

D.Collison
J.Butler
L.James
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A.Davis

J.Hart, L.Stephenson, M.Wagner, R.Lopez, I.Bonga, Caruso


I like the way you think let's take Stephenson off and do that
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:46 pm    Post subject:

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I hope we get AD without giving up BI.


That’s not gonna happen
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:46 pm    Post subject:

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It feels like if Jerry West were in the FO, he would threaten to quit if this trade is made.


Yeah, One of those things..
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:46 pm    Post subject:

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It feels like if Jerry West were in the FO, he would threaten to quit if this trade is made.


Eddie Jones for Glen Rice, JR Reid and BJ Armstrong

NVE for Tony Battie and Tyronn Lue


Both under Jerry West...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:49 pm    Post subject:

Is Woj on the Pelicans payroll?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:50 pm    Post subject:

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Here's the real question

When AD arrives who wears #23?


Bonga
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:50 pm    Post subject:

fansincemagic wrote:
Regardless of the Nets, if Jimmy Butler wants to be in LA I can see him taking a deal starting at 27M with AD here. LA would concede a 4th year player option to get it done. Darren Collison for the room exception

D.Collison
J.Butler
L.James
K.Kuzma
A.Davis

J.Hart, L.Stephenson, M.Wagner, R.Lopez, I.Bonga, Caruso


Since that team lacks shooting, I could see our FO being interested.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:50 pm    Post subject:

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After seeing what Boston is supposedly offering (which really isn't that much), I'd be more inclined to offer

Choose (only) 2 of: BI, Lonzo, Kuz, Hart
Add in a couple of: Mo, Bonga, etc our 2nd tier players
And either #4 or a 1st rounder in 2020 or 2021 (which will probably be lower than #4 of course)


I have been away from computer most of day...just seen headlines on phone....what is Boston rumored to be offering?

it's reportedly
Either Brown or Tatum and some picks
however, their (celts) picks are:
2019: #14 (via Sacramento Kings), #20, #22
2020: Memphis Grizzlies (Top-6 protected), their own pick

reports are that the Pels are trying to shop our #4 pick because they don't like who's available.
but, the above Celts picks are much much worse.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:50 pm    Post subject:

forgot elden campbell went with steady eddie...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:50 pm    Post subject:

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Kuz being safe gotta lot of people upset for some reason lol.

People opposed to the trade have said that they don't mind the trade, they just don't wanna trade away everyone. Now that word is out that we might be able to keep a few players then those people have pivoted to having a problem with which players we're keeping.

Some here just really don't want this trade and they're losing their minds about it.


Spot on.


Not one bit, what's with you guys and making (bleep) up.

We're upset because Ingram and Lonzo> Kuzma.

In terms of both being a player and being a prospect. Kuzma isn't as good as the other two, we want the better players. Y'all live in fantasy land


So does the trading partner who's offering you a MUCH better player. I like both BI and Zo and would hate to trade them, but it's the price of doing business.


The Pelicans really aren't offering anything. They're trying to salvage value on an asset they would otherwise lose for nothing. The Lakers are the ones doing them a favor, not the other way around.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:50 pm    Post subject:

trablos wrote:
Quoting Bard here..

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2019-20 Player

$37,436,858......LeBron James (1)

$32,700,000......Leonard (2)
$27,093,019......Davis (3)

$2,063,520........Moritz Wagner (4)
$1,974,600........Kyle Kuzma (5)


$897,158...........Minimum Salary (6)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (7)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (8)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (9)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (10)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (11)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (12)

$0.....................Lonzo Ball
$0.....................Brandon Ingram
$0.....................Josh Hart
$0.....................Bonga

$4,990,000.........Luol Deng [stretch waiver charge]
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That is roughly $3.5 million over a $109 million salary cap.

Obviously we will be over the cap once the dust settle's, but isn't that the point of waiting to execute the trade until we actually sign a 30% guy? If we are just at/under the cap after signing a max, are we still allowed to send out the 21m to acquire AD putting us over the cap?

Edit: Sorry, just saw your explanation above that clears it up.


I think you can sign your own free agents and go over the cap.....cant you
so kcp, rondo, lance and macgee can be resigned at a descent rate
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:51 pm    Post subject:

PG.Beverly
SG.Hart
SF.Lebron
PF.Kuzma
C.Davis



10m more to spend
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:51 pm    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
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The Lakers' defense collapsed without Lonzo. Collapsed. Literally the next game and for the rest of the season. Lonzo is worth more than Kuz because he's a fantastic defender and passer and doesn't need the ball to make a difference. Kuz needs to increase his offensive efficiency or else he's nothing more than a volume scorer. Yeah, he's cheap, but at the point that he needs to get paid, he may be another JC, just as a forward.


Just a volume scorer? Jordan Clarkson?

He's got more 30 point games in his rookie season than Clarkson his whole career. I dont think people are actually processing the fact that Kuzma is one of the best player under 25 in the league?

Donovan Mitchell shoots 43% is he a volume scorer? What about Kemba Walker who shoots 42%?

Kuzma is shooting 46% as a sophomore on 6 threes a game. He's only getting better. He's a perfect 3rd/4th scorer for the team.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:51 pm    Post subject:

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You have AD, Lebron, Kuzma, Hart - how would you round out the roster with ~27m and the room exception?

My guess is it will be KCP for ~15m.....


If no 2nd max ...

- Ariza
- Morris Bros
- Rondo
- McGee
- Beverly
- Aminu
- collison
- Lamb
- Green


Are you Magic? This would be the worst possible use of $27m.


You just said bring back KCP for 15m!?! All the players on the above list are better than KCP (minus the Morris Bros.) whatcha smokin’ man?


I don't want KCP for $15m, but Klutch runs the Lakers and we overpaid for him last year.

I wouldn't be shocked if the FO went that route again. Even if they sign him for $8m, it is probably overpaying him.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:52 pm    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:
I hope we get AD without giving up BI.


That’s not gonna happen


BI is gone. If there’s a way to keep 2 of Kuz, Zo and 4 it’s a win...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:52 pm    Post subject:

aprevo15 wrote:
I hope we get AD without giving up BI.


that is the dream...but appears near impossible
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:52 pm    Post subject:

Never, and I mean Never, help the Spurs and their idiot, tampering coach with anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:53 pm    Post subject:

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It feels like if Jerry West were in the FO, he would threaten to quit if this trade is made.


+1.

I used to think you were just cynical but, man, you are on point about most of the recent poor management decisions....

If it really is 3-4 cost controlled players plus first round picks for a player who is telling you he is opting out the next year no matter what that is absolutely insane - REGARDLESS of how good ANY of the players are in the trade.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:53 pm    Post subject:

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It feels like if Jerry West were in the FO, he would threaten to quit if this trade is made.


Eddie Jones for Glen Rice, JR Reid and BJ Armstrong

NVE for Tony Battie and Tyronn Lue


Both under Jerry West...


Van excel for tony Batie and Tyron lue then he flipped Batie for travesty Knight after Boston signed him to that ridiculous seven year contract


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:54 pm    Post subject:

AD needs someone who can get him easy shots. That's Lonzo.


AD doesn't need to have to work too hard on the defensive end...Lonzo helps with that.


Pretty clear who we need to keep. Not gonna happen because other teams know that too.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:54 pm    Post subject:

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It feels like if Jerry West were in the FO, he would threaten to quit if this trade is made.


At this point, I just wonder who we are bidding against. We can't get him for a pittance, sure, but our position seems to be getting stronger by the second.


We are bidding against ourselves, but if we really want to maximize FA, we also need to offer $21.5m in contracts, which requires us to overpay in a way.
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aprevo15 wrote:
I hope we get AD without giving up BI.


That’s not gonna happen


BI is gone. If there’s a way to keep 2 of Kuz, Zo and 4 it’s a win...


what are you basing BI is gone, but there is hope to keep Lonzo? I think Lonzo's contract being higher and under team control longer makes him the most likely moved. BI is probably a close 2nd because of his contract amount.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:54 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:
I hope we get AD without giving up BI.


that is the dream...but appears near impossible


Apparently Lakers prefer Luzma the most because he is cost controlled and at a small salary for two more years to boot. For the same reason, the Pelicand may also value Kuzma regardless of any opinion that BI is the superior talent. From a cap standpoint, because his deal is up this year, BI is the worst asset. That may make him the least tradable too. I'm holding out hope that is the case.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:55 pm    Post subject:

trablos wrote:
Quoting Bard here..

Quote:
2019-20 Player

$37,436,858......LeBron James (1)

$32,700,000......Leonard (2)
$27,093,019......Davis (3)

$2,063,520........Moritz Wagner (4)
$1,974,600........Kyle Kuzma (5)


$897,158...........Minimum Salary (6)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (7)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (8)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (9)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (10)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (11)
$897,158...........Minimum Salary (12)

$0.....................Lonzo Ball
$0.....................Brandon Ingram
$0.....................Josh Hart
$0.....................Bonga

$4,990,000.........Luol Deng [stretch waiver charge]
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$112,538,103


That is roughly $3.5 million over a $109 million salary cap.

Obviously we will be over the cap once the dust settle's, but isn't that the point of waiting to execute the trade until we actually sign a 30% guy? If we are just at/under the cap after signing a max, are we still allowed to send out the 21m to acquire AD putting us over the cap?

Edit: Sorry, just saw your explanation above that clears it up.



Just to expand on it a bit more.


They need to be able to function as a team with cap space so they can sign the 30% max FA. After that is accomplished, then they need to use the trade rules of a team above the salary cap that allows the 125% + $100,000 formula for incoming salary.


Working backwards from the 2019-20 Davis salary to calculate the needed outgoing salary.


$27,093,019 (Davis) - $100,000 = $26,993,019

$26,993,019 / 1.25 = $21,594,415.20 (Needed Outgoing Salary)


The roughly $5.5 million difference between $27,093,019 (Davis) and $21,594,415.20 (Needed Outgoing Salary) would chew into the cap space needed for a 30% max FA if the trade was done first.

So sign the 30% max FA and then do the Davis trade.
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