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The Juggernaut
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| governator wrote: | | Van Fleet is D.Fish-esque |
Good comparison |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | It helped that Warriors did KD in, so even if he signed with them he won't be available next year. Warriors aren't invincible anymore. |
We have to catch the Clippers before we worry about the Warriors |
I imagine for fun you go to oncology units and tell all the patients they don't stand a chance. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Van Fleet is D.Fish-esque |
Good comparison |
He didn't get the MVP award but without him they don't win the Larry O'Brien.
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Steve007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Warriors will max Klay and KD and run it back for the next 5 seasons.
Believe it or not, gonna go out on a limb and say that the media is done trashing the Warriors now.
Something very stupid about the media, is they never appreciate greatness till something terrible like this happens. They want to see the "great team humbled" and will spend forever hating upon them when they seem unbeatable, but the moment they look 'human' they start trying to build them up again.
Next season may be a wash for them, but if they re-sign both Klay and KD, there's no reason they won't be in the Finals discussion for 4 of the next 5 seasons. But I get the feeling the media will be done trashing them for it.
Sucks that's how it works and they refused to truly appreciate them for the last 4 years cause they ended LeBron's dynasty potential in the era they deemed that only he should have overwhelming odds in his favor, but that's how it goes sometimes. |
I agree that it's way too early to talk about the end of a dynasty. They'll go on a one year hiatus, and pick right back up where they left off. Even if they don't win anymore chips they'll remain in contention as long as they have Steph and Klay on the same team.
I don't agree with the media take.. they seem to fawn over the Warriors. The only guy that really catches heat from the media on that squad is KD. |
How good is Iguodala going to be in 2 years though? |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Yeah. Warriors will come WAY down to earth now.
Their supporting cast too is getting very old. Iggy will have to play much more now too.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: | | 10scott10 wrote: | | 24ways2die wrote: | | Sucks for Klay torn ACL |
Man, that sucks |
Terrible. As soon as I saw the replay I knew it was a torn ACL. Seen too many football players tear their ACL when their knee twist like that. The west is wide open next season. |
I've spent some time discussing ACL injuries in football players. You know what the real horrible thing is? When they return they're fine with straight line speed but they're cutting and jinking ability will be nowhere nea-
… oh wait Klay's just a catch and shoot player. Nevermind, he'll be back just as strong  |
Football is not basketball.
Bet you didn't know Lowry tore his ACL in College.
So did Baron Davis, and Jamal Crawford some years ago- but those two guys never seemed like twitchy players to me but Lowry?
Seemed fine and twitchy last night to me.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | It helped that Warriors did KD in, so even if he signed with them he won't be available next year. Warriors aren't invincible anymore. |
We have to catch the Clippers before we worry about the Warriors |
I imagine for fun you go to oncology units and tell all the patients they don't stand a chance. |
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Steve007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | It helped that Warriors did KD in, so even if he signed with them he won't be available next year. Warriors aren't invincible anymore. |
We have to catch the Clippers before we worry about the Warriors |
Are you sure the Warriors are still better than the Clippers? The Clippers beat them twice when they still had KD and Klay. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | drae wrote: | | Curry has to be one of the most overrated players in the league. Durant is legit, but Curry … |
Lol. |
I don't think he's overrated as far as his ability and impact, but some guys are just not great big game players. KD is KD, Klay has the "Game 6 Klay" moniker for a reason, and you know Dray and Iggy are going to bring it when you need them to...Steph's just not that same level of dependable, and his history in big games speaks for itself. He's had his moments in the playoffs, no doubt, but I don't think his game and body is built for the biggest stage at the end of season full of wear and tear, and when teams are allowed to get more physical with him |
Overrated is not the word that comes to mind. |
No, I wouldn't say he's mentally soft, either. Part of it is the spectacular aspect to his game is built on making these seemingly impossible shots for normal human beings, and he does it so much during the regular season that it's naturally a letdown when he can't against playoff caliber defense (and that also speaks to his poor decision-making when he takes those "bad" shots in key moments). |
I think he can be physically manhandled. Delladova did that. Lowry and Vanfleet wore him down too. That’s part of what comes with being 6’2 and wispy thin. He’s probably the best shooter all time and a surefire all time great. |
The guy averaged 30.5/5.2/6.0 in just under 42 minutes a game. I'd hardly call that manhandled. Yeah, he didn't replicate his 3-PT shooting, credit the Raptors D and 2/3 of his teammates being out multiple games. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Not really crazy. More like completely arbitrary. I'm sure his numbers in the last 5 minutes of games within 5 or less (or whatever the "clutch" definition is these days) are brilliant. So they have to improvise a bit. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobody wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | drae wrote: | | Curry has to be one of the most overrated players in the league. Durant is legit, but Curry … |
Lol. |
I don't think he's overrated as far as his ability and impact, but some guys are just not great big game players. KD is KD, Klay has the "Game 6 Klay" moniker for a reason, and you know Dray and Iggy are going to bring it when you need them to...Steph's just not that same level of dependable, and his history in big games speaks for itself. He's had his moments in the playoffs, no doubt, but I don't think his game and body is built for the biggest stage at the end of season full of wear and tear, and when teams are allowed to get more physical with him |
Overrated is not the word that comes to mind. |
No, I wouldn't say he's mentally soft, either. Part of it is the spectacular aspect to his game is built on making these seemingly impossible shots for normal human beings, and he does it so much during the regular season that it's naturally a letdown when he can't against playoff caliber defense (and that also speaks to his poor decision-making when he takes those "bad" shots in key moments). |
I think he can be physically manhandled. Delladova did that. Lowry and Vanfleet wore him down too. That’s part of what comes with being 6’2 and wispy thin. He’s probably the best shooter all time and a surefire all time great. |
The guy averaged 30.5/5.2/6.0 in just under 42 minutes a game. I'd hardly call that manhandled. Yeah, he didn't replicate his 3-PT shooting, credit the Raptors D and 2/3 of his teammates being out multiple games. |
No, he's being manhandled. Didn't say he was being rendered feckless.
Look at the box and 1, the multiple guys he has to get past (remember that reckless behind the back move trying to split Danny Green and KL?). Raptors correctly put everything on him thinking they could wear him down and it did. When you have Lowry, Van Fleet, Green, and an endless horde of guys on Steph he is getting worn down. As a shooter you lose your legs.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Van Fleet is D.Fish-esque |
Good comparison |
VanVleet has a more versatile offensive skillset and a better defender than D-Fish
I love D-Fish but I don't really see the comparison, the NBA today is vastly different than the NBA when Fisher played. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Different player, same mindset.
Fisher isn't taking people off the dribble like VanFleet. But both came up in the clutch time and time again. Happy for VF.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| It's Van Vleet |
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| loslakersss wrote: | | It's Van Vleet |
I don't care what his momma named him. See I don't even know how to spell his name, which makes this Raptors win more cray.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | loslakersss wrote: | | It's Van Vleet |
I don't care what his momma named him. See I don't even know how to spell his name, which makes this Raptors win more cray. |
I blame ABC since JVG and Breen kept saying Fleet. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | It helped that Warriors did KD in, so even if he signed with them he won't be available next year. Warriors aren't invincible anymore. |
We have to catch the Clippers before we worry about the Warriors |
I imagine for fun you go to oncology units and tell all the patients they don't stand a chance. |
savage |
Notice it was an attack on the poster but didn’t try to dispute what was posted. Of course it cannot be disputed.
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| €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | You don’t mess with that. You don’t joke about that. |
I never joked about it before. And it didn't save my grandparents. But to each their own.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | It helped that Warriors did KD in, so even if he signed with them he won't be available next year. Warriors aren't invincible anymore. |
We have to catch the Clippers before we worry about the Warriors |
I imagine for fun you go to oncology units and tell all the patients they don't stand a chance. |
savage |
Notice it was an attack on the poster but didn’t try to dispute what was posted. Of course it cannot be disputed. |
He didnt dispute it because nobody is worried about the Clippers .. If we aren't better then the Clippers (unless they get Kawhi obviously) then we have no chance just like them to win a championship next season anyways.. Should kind of go without saying.. Without a massive signing there is going to be nobody picking the Clippers to win it all next season.. We are already clearly a better team currently constructed if healthy. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | It helped that Warriors did KD in, so even if he signed with them he won't be available next year. Warriors aren't invincible anymore. |
We have to catch the Clippers before we worry about the Warriors |
I imagine for fun you go to oncology units and tell all the patients they don't stand a chance. |
savage |
Notice it was an attack on the poster but didn’t try to dispute what was posted. Of course it cannot be disputed. |
Did you just refer to your own quote in 3rd person? |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Van Fleet is D.Fish-esque |
Good comparison |
Great comparison, I made the same point during the game to my friend who i was watching the game with.
He reminds me a lot of DFish with his scrapiness and ability to hit big 3's in the pressure moments.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | You don’t mess with that. You don’t joke about that. |
I never joked about it before. And it didn't save my grandparents. But to each their own. |
Indeed; to each their own.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| trablos wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | It helped that Warriors did KD in, so even if he signed with them he won't be available next year. Warriors aren't invincible anymore. |
We have to catch the Clippers before we worry about the Warriors |
I imagine for fun you go to oncology units and tell all the patients they don't stand a chance. |
savage |
Notice it was an attack on the poster but didn’t try to dispute what was posted. Of course it cannot be disputed. |
Did you just refer to your own quote in 3rd person? |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | You don’t mess with that. You don’t joke about that. |
you can and should joke about anything |
How very Trumpian. Absolutely, the world is full of self centered asses that can cocoon themselves in their own filth. Who is anyone to judge? Screw societal norms and decency. I’m hijacking here, so I’ll take the rest to private message should you require further discussion.
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