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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:33 pm    Post subject: ranking the defense

what are your overall defensive ratings for each player?

simple +, neutral or - ratings

mcgee +
AD +
lebron -
green +
bradley neutral

kuzma -
cousins -
KCP neutral

caruso neutral
daniels neutral
dudley neutral
cook -
rondo -
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:35 pm    Post subject:

davis and caruso

rest is neutral or bad

haven't watched green in recent years so dunno bout him
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:42 pm    Post subject:

I think

Bradley
Kcp
Mcgee
Green
Davis
Dudley

Are all capable of being above average defenders. Defense i's a hard thing to quantify in basketball.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:49 pm    Post subject:

Lakers gonna be top 6 as a team. I hope.

01. Lebron James +
02. Anthony Davis +++
03. Danny Green ++
04. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope =
05. Avery Bradley ++
06. JaVale McGee +
07. DeMarcus Cousins =
08. Quinn Cook --
09. Alex Caruso -
10. Rajon Rondo --
11. Kyle Kuzma =
12. Jared Dudley =
13. Troy Daniels --
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:49 pm    Post subject:

Bradley is still an impactful 1v1 PG defender
AD +
Caruso +
Green +
McGee has impactful moments, but neutral overall
KCP neutral
Dudley neutral

the rest not good
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:58 pm    Post subject:

Has Bradley ever played with a dominating shot blocker? We have 3 in Azd, McGee, and Cousins. Will free him up to be really aggressive. Same with Green
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:03 pm    Post subject:

AD - Positive (DPOY level defender)
Green - Positive (has been a very solid defender in the past)

McGee - Neutral (solid in vertical rim protection, but poor in other areas)
Caruso - Neutral (could be positive, need more evidence)
KCP - Neutral (positive on ball, negative off ball)
Bradley - Neutral (becomes a liability is switch defenses)

Lebron - Negative (I know he could be neutral, but dude just quit giving effort)
Kuzma - Negative (but not terrible on ball)
Cousins - Negative (but to what degree will be determined by how much athleticism is back this year)
Daniels - Negative (very poor)
Dudley - Negative (overall a negative, but he is hard to move in push offs, etc.)
Cook - Negative (very poor)
Rondo - Negative (only slightly better than Cook and Daniels)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:18 pm    Post subject:

Bradley
Kcp
Green
Davis
Javale

I think we have a good mix of defensive players. We have a legit squad
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:30 pm    Post subject:

Boogie

Last year he was #9 in the league in defensive RPM...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:52 pm    Post subject:

Yeah I forgot about boogie. Great rebounder too
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:58 pm    Post subject:

I think the crazy thing about this team is that boogie, Davis, lebron, Kuzma...it really doesnโ€™t matter who gets the rebound they can bring the ball up and start the break. Hopefully we utilize that
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:59 am    Post subject:

KCP
Green
AD
Bradley
Javale

healthy Boogie
playoff Lebron
playoff Rondo
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:07 am    Post subject:

It will be interesting to see what Frank has in store. Our perimeter D looks like it will be good (on paper). AD is obviously elite and I think people our sleeping on the defensive abilities of Bradley and Green. Also, I know many don't like KCP (and his Bball IQ), but he is a good defensive player when he is engaged.

I think our rebounding will improve dramatically which is HUGE. Our rebounding was HORRENDOUS last season on both sides of the ball. We will cutting down on the defensive rebounding allowed (and 2nd chance points). Likewise, we should grab more offensive rebounds and increase our 2nd chance points scored. I do not see us running much TBH.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:09 am    Post subject:

Bradley +
Green +
LeBron N/A
AD DPOY
McGee +
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:03 am    Post subject:

AD will make all the perimeter defenders better.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:13 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
AD - Positive (DPOY level defender)
Green - Positive (has been a very solid defender in the past)

McGee - Neutral (solid in vertical rim protection, but poor in other areas)
Caruso - Neutral (could be positive, need more evidence)
KCP - Neutral (positive on ball, negative off ball)
Bradley - Neutral (becomes a liability is switch defenses)

Lebron - Negative (I know he could be neutral, but dude just quit giving effort)
Kuzma - Negative (but not terrible on ball)
Cousins - Negative (but to what degree will be determined by how much athleticism is back this year)
Daniels - Negative (very poor)
Dudley - Negative (overall a negative, but he is hard to move in push offs, etc.)
Cook - Negative (very poor)
Rondo - Negative (only slightly better than Cook and Daniels)




I am not going to argue with the above.

Expect to finish in the middle on team defense.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:23 am    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
AD - Positive (DPOY level defender)
Green - Positive (has been a very solid defender in the past)

McGee - Neutral (solid in vertical rim protection, but poor in other areas)
Caruso - Neutral (could be positive, need more evidence)
KCP - Neutral (positive on ball, negative off ball)
Bradley - Neutral (becomes a liability is switch defenses)

Lebron - Negative (I know he could be neutral, but dude just quit giving effort)
Kuzma - Negative (but not terrible on ball)
Cousins - Negative (but to what degree will be determined by how much athleticism is back this year)
Daniels - Negative (very poor)
Dudley - Negative (overall a negative, but he is hard to move in push offs, etc.)
Cook - Negative (very poor)
Rondo - Negative (only slightly better than Cook and Daniels)




I am not going to argue with the above.

Expect to finish in the middle on team defense.


We will be playing the majority of games with twin towers on the court. Our defense is going to force a lot of long jumpers, especially mid range imo. AD, boogie, javale. I really expect to have one of the better defenses in the NBA.

Like the above poster said AD makes perimeter defense a lot easier for our guards.

This team reminds me of the Kobe, gasol, Bynum, Odom team but on steroids.

Lebron, Davis, boogie, Kuzma
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:51 am    Post subject:

I'd say Akindo's rankings reflect best what I've seen from each of these players, top to bottom, my only difference is I'd rank AC above neutral.

I don't agree with those who put a negative by Caruso. He's a scrappy defender and way underrated by some IMO. I wouldn't rank him AD level good, but he's an asset on defense, not a liability.

Overall team defense is going to have some challenges, I believe. I'm curious what Vogel and his team develop as a defensive scheme using the players we have. With AD and LeBron at forward spots, and McGee or Cousins at center, size wise that is a lot like Bynum/Gasol/Odom.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:57 am    Post subject:

PICKnPOP wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
AD - Positive (DPOY level defender)
Green - Positive (has been a very solid defender in the past)

McGee - Neutral (solid in vertical rim protection, but poor in other areas)
Caruso - Neutral (could be positive, need more evidence)
KCP - Neutral (positive on ball, negative off ball)
Bradley - Neutral (becomes a liability is switch defenses)

Lebron - Negative (I know he could be neutral, but dude just quit giving effort)
Kuzma - Negative (but not terrible on ball)
Cousins - Negative (but to what degree will be determined by how much athleticism is back this year)
Daniels - Negative (very poor)
Dudley - Negative (overall a negative, but he is hard to move in push offs, etc.)
Cook - Negative (very poor)
Rondo - Negative (only slightly better than Cook and Daniels)




I am not going to argue with the above.

Expect to finish in the middle on team defense.


We will be playing the majority of games with twin towers on the court. Our defense is going to force a lot of long jumpers, especially mid range imo. AD, boogie, javale. I really expect to have one of the better defenses in the NBA.

Like the above poster said AD makes perimeter defense a lot easier for our guards.

This team reminds me of the Kobe, gasol, Bynum, Odom team but on steroids.

Lebron, Davis, boogie, Kuzma



I have low expectations for Rondo, Daniels and Cook on the perimeter.
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