Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:20 am Post subject:
maybe it is me getting older, but some of these rules that leagues want to test that would drastically change the basics of the game annoy me....
MLB will experiment with stealing first base in Atlantic League
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In the second half of the season, the league will allow batters to steal first base: Any pitch on any count not caught in flight will be considered a live ball, and a batter may run to first base, similar to a dropped third strike.
maybe it is me getting older, but some of these rules that leagues want to test that would drastically change the basics of the game annoy me....
MLB will experiment with stealing first base in Atlantic League
Quote:
In the second half of the season, the league will allow batters to steal first base: Any pitch on any count not caught in flight will be considered a live ball, and a batter may run to first base, similar to a dropped third strike.
I don't mind experiments. This is something that would rarely happen. The question I have about this rule is the point at which the batter is deemed to have committed to first base. If the batter takes one step toward first, can the catcher throw him out?
maybe it is me getting older, but some of these rules that leagues want to test that would drastically change the basics of the game annoy me....
MLB will experiment with stealing first base in Atlantic League
Quote:
In the second half of the season, the league will allow batters to steal first base: Any pitch on any count not caught in flight will be considered a live ball, and a batter may run to first base, similar to a dropped third strike.
I don't mind experiments. This is something that would rarely happen. The question I have about this rule is the point at which the batter is deemed to have committed to first base. If the batter takes one step toward first, can the catcher throw him out?
I would say if he drops his bat and leaves the box (in the direction of 1B).
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:22 am Post subject:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
adkindo wrote:
maybe it is me getting older, but some of these rules that leagues want to test that would drastically change the basics of the game annoy me....
MLB will experiment with stealing first base in Atlantic League
Quote:
In the second half of the season, the league will allow batters to steal first base: Any pitch on any count not caught in flight will be considered a live ball, and a batter may run to first base, similar to a dropped third strike.
I don't mind experiments. This is something that would rarely happen. The question I have about this rule is the point at which the batter is deemed to have committed to first base. If the batter takes one step toward first, can the catcher throw him out?
I am not even a fan of the ability to run if the 3rd strike is dropped.....just never saw the correlation between a wild pitch or ball getting past the catcher resulting in a player that struck out getting to go to 1st base.
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:23 am Post subject:
loslakersss wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
adkindo wrote:
maybe it is me getting older, but some of these rules that leagues want to test that would drastically change the basics of the game annoy me....
MLB will experiment with stealing first base in Atlantic League
Quote:
In the second half of the season, the league will allow batters to steal first base: Any pitch on any count not caught in flight will be considered a live ball, and a batter may run to first base, similar to a dropped third strike.
I don't mind experiments. This is something that would rarely happen. The question I have about this rule is the point at which the batter is deemed to have committed to first base. If the batter takes one step toward first, can the catcher throw him out?
I would say if he drops his bat and leaves the box (in the direction of 1B).
yeah, or they could even create a new marker on the field....like 1 yard down the line from the corner of the box.
I am not even a fan of the ability to run if the 3rd strike is dropped.....just never saw the correlation between a wild pitch or ball getting past the catcher resulting in a player that struck out getting to go to 1st base.
Did you know that a catcher is credited with a put out on strikeouts? That's where this comes from. If the catcher drops the ball, there is no put out unless the batter is tagged or thrown out at first. Yes, it is an ancient and antiquated rule, but there actually is a logical basis for it in the context of the historical development of the game. It probably made more sense in the days before newfangled inventions like fielding gloves and catcher's masks, back when men were men.
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:27 pm Post subject:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I am not even a fan of the ability to run if the 3rd strike is dropped.....just never saw the correlation between a wild pitch or ball getting past the catcher resulting in a player that struck out getting to go to 1st base.
Did you know that a catcher is credited with a put out on strikeouts? That's where this comes from. If the catcher drops the ball, there is no put out unless the batter is tagged or thrown out at first. Yes, it is an ancient and antiquated rule, but there actually is a logical basis for it in the context of the historical development of the game. It probably made more sense in the days before newfangled inventions like fielding gloves and catcher's masks, back when men were men.
Yes, this is it. I agree with the logic of it. The catcher has to record the actual putout. If the third strike is not caught cleanly, or if it's a wild pitch or passed ball, it should be a live ball where you have to then record the putout by either tagging the batter or by throwing the ball to first base.
As for the idea of "stealing" first base on any ball that is not caught cleanly by the catcher before a third strike, I find it to be an awful idea.
As for robotic balls-and-strikes...hell yes. Just a matter of time, also.
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:54 pm Post subject:
ChickenStu wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
adkindo wrote:
I am not even a fan of the ability to run if the 3rd strike is dropped.....just never saw the correlation between a wild pitch or ball getting past the catcher resulting in a player that struck out getting to go to 1st base.
Did you know that a catcher is credited with a put out on strikeouts? That's where this comes from. If the catcher drops the ball, there is no put out unless the batter is tagged or thrown out at first. Yes, it is an ancient and antiquated rule, but there actually is a logical basis for it in the context of the historical development of the game. It probably made more sense in the days before newfangled inventions like fielding gloves and catcher's masks, back when men were men.
Yes, this is it. I agree with the logic of it. The catcher has to record the actual putout. If the third strike is not caught cleanly, or if it's a wild pitch or passed ball, it should be a live ball where you have to then record the putout by either tagging the batter or by throwing the ball to first base.
As for the idea of "stealing" first base on any ball that is not caught cleanly by the catcher before a third strike, I find it to be an awful idea.
As for robotic balls-and-strikes...hell yes. Just a matter of time, also.
Agree completely. I get the idea behind the put out on a third strike that's not caught. You have to complete the out by a successful pitch across the plate that is caught by the catcher.
While I am not someone who claims a full understanding of the deeper concepts of baseball, it's always been my understanding that until a batter is on first base, they aren't a base runner. So how can a player who hasn't entered the bases by a walk, making a hit or being hit steal a base?
To me, a rule change should be something that is inherently going to improve the game by either making it more efficient, more fair or eliminate potentially confusing situations. I just don't see how this rule would do any of those.
And really, who is going to attempt to make such a high risk play. You'd have to have a very serious passed ball to even have a shot at making first before the catcher can throw the runner out. A batter at the plate isn't poised to run at any second the way a base runner is. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Joined: 10 Jul 2009 Posts: 12161 Location: Bay Area
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:02 pm Post subject:
Just a change for change sake, which is silly. I understand MLB wants more "action" plays, but this will barely move the needle. I'd bet metrics would convince most teams the value of taking first is far outweighed by the probability of being thrown out. Only the speediest left-handed batters on the wildest of pitches would have a shot, and even then it's the silly play most of the time.
MLB should focus on reinventing stadiums, the experience at the game, instead of the game itself.
They used a robo ump for balls and strikes the other day.
And that's been long overdue. As I said, it's just a matter of time before MLB has electronic balls-and-strikes.
Can't come soon enough. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
maybe it is me getting older, but some of these rules that leagues want to test that would drastically change the basics of the game annoy me....
MLB will experiment with stealing first base in Atlantic League
Quote:
In the second half of the season, the league will allow batters to steal first base: Any pitch on any count not caught in flight will be considered a live ball, and a batter may run to first base, similar to a dropped third strike.
Don't catchers already have enough to do where they shouldn't have to worry about throwing guys out at first because a ball bounced in the dirt and smacked him? It's already a physically taxing position, now they have more to worry about? Not a big fan.
maybe it is me getting older, but some of these rules that leagues want to test that would drastically change the basics of the game annoy me....
MLB will experiment with stealing first base in Atlantic League
Quote:
In the second half of the season, the league will allow batters to steal first base: Any pitch on any count not caught in flight will be considered a live ball, and a batter may run to first base, similar to a dropped third strike.
Don't catchers already have enough to do where they shouldn't have to worry about throwing guys out at first because a ball bounced in the dirt and smacked him? It's already a physically taxing position, now they have more to worry about? Not a big fan.
Agreed. The game is perfectly fine. Just get rid of the umps. and replace them with robots. Baseball is by FAR the easiest major sport to implement this. It's binary system is tailor made for it...no judgement calls...strike, ball, foul ball or not, safe or out. The moment I saw them in the 90s start to use the graphical overlays on a telecast to show balls and strikes, I was on board with getting rid of umpires altogether. They're useless in baseball with the tools the game has at hand now. _________________ KOBE
It seems like they are playing with one of those crazy bouncing balls I had as a kid that would bounce from the floor to the ceiling with minimal effort.
This thing be juiced Holmes.... _________________ Love, Laker Lanny
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:35 pm Post subject:
jonnybravo wrote:
LAkers 4 Life wrote:
adkindo wrote:
maybe it is me getting older, but some of these rules that leagues want to test that would drastically change the basics of the game annoy me....
MLB will experiment with stealing first base in Atlantic League
Quote:
In the second half of the season, the league will allow batters to steal first base: Any pitch on any count not caught in flight will be considered a live ball, and a batter may run to first base, similar to a dropped third strike.
Don't catchers already have enough to do where they shouldn't have to worry about throwing guys out at first because a ball bounced in the dirt and smacked him? It's already a physically taxing position, now they have more to worry about? Not a big fan.
Agreed. The game is perfectly fine. Just get rid of the umps. and replace them with robots. Baseball is by FAR the easiest major sport to implement this. It's binary system is tailor made for it...no judgement calls...strike, ball, foul ball or not, safe or out. The moment I saw them in the 90s start to use the graphical overlays on a telecast to show balls and strikes, I was on board with getting rid of umpires altogether. They're useless in baseball with the tools the game has at hand now.
Unfortunately, that's never going to happen. But if they can take them out of the equation at the plate, that's a victory for the game. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:55 pm Post subject:
Cutheon wrote:
Just a change for change sake, which is silly. I understand MLB wants more "action" plays, but this will barely move the needle. I'd bet metrics would convince most teams the value of taking first is far outweighed by the probability of being thrown out. Only the speediest left-handed batters on the wildest of pitches would have a shot, and even then it's the silly play most of the time.
MLB should focus on reinventing stadiums, the experience at the game, instead of the game itself.
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