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Well well well.
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| ocho wrote: | Well well well.
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On one end, it's a great move to bring in a coach with Lue's experience and success as an ASSISTANT.
On the other, why is he taking an assistant coach job? Has the market dictated that he's not head coach material at this time? I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it's kind of weird. But it also means I'm not losing sleep over not having him as our head coach, as much as that whole process itself was flawed and showed how dysfunctional our FO was. Two different things, though. |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | Well well well.
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On one end, it's a great move to bring in a coach with Lue's experience and success as an ASSISTANT.
On the other, why is he taking an assistant coach job? Has the market dictated that he's not head coach material at this time? I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it's kind of weird. But it also means I'm not losing sleep over not having him as our head coach, as much as that whole process itself was flawed and showed how dysfunctional our FO was. Two different things, though. |
There are currently no head coaching jobs available, and taking the Clippers job doesn't preclude him from taking a HC job should one open.
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| ocho wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | Well well well.
| Quote: | | The Clippers are closing in on the hiring of Tyronn Lue as a top assistant to Coach Doc Rivers, league sources say |
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On one end, it's a great move to bring in a coach with Lue's experience and success as an ASSISTANT.
On the other, why is he taking an assistant coach job? Has the market dictated that he's not head coach material at this time? I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it's kind of weird. But it also means I'm not losing sleep over not having him as our head coach, as much as that whole process itself was flawed and showed how dysfunctional our FO was. Two different things, though. |
There are currently no head coaching jobs available, and taking the Clippers job doesn't preclude him from taking a HC job should one open. |
There were jobs open, though, and they all passed on him. |
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ocho
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | Well well well.
| Quote: | | The Clippers are closing in on the hiring of Tyronn Lue as a top assistant to Coach Doc Rivers, league sources say |
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On one end, it's a great move to bring in a coach with Lue's experience and success as an ASSISTANT.
On the other, why is he taking an assistant coach job? Has the market dictated that he's not head coach material at this time? I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it's kind of weird. But it also means I'm not losing sleep over not having him as our head coach, as much as that whole process itself was flawed and showed how dysfunctional our FO was. Two different things, though. |
There are currently no head coaching jobs available, and taking the Clippers job doesn't preclude him from taking a HC job should one open. |
There were jobs open, though, and they all passed on him. |
Eh not really. Sacramento jumped on Luke while we were still talking to Ty and he appeared inevitable. Same with Phoenix. He wasn't going back to Cleveland. That leaves Memphis, which I don't think would appeal to him.
In any event, the decisions Rob and Kurt made have higher stakes now. They may have passed on the best guy AND strengthened their toughest opponent. The Clippers' coaching advantage over us just got stronger.
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| ocho wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | Well well well.
| Quote: | | The Clippers are closing in on the hiring of Tyronn Lue as a top assistant to Coach Doc Rivers, league sources say |
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On one end, it's a great move to bring in a coach with Lue's experience and success as an ASSISTANT.
On the other, why is he taking an assistant coach job? Has the market dictated that he's not head coach material at this time? I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it's kind of weird. But it also means I'm not losing sleep over not having him as our head coach, as much as that whole process itself was flawed and showed how dysfunctional our FO was. Two different things, though. |
There are currently no head coaching jobs available, and taking the Clippers job doesn't preclude him from taking a HC job should one open. |
There were jobs open, though, and they all passed on him. |
Eh not really. Sacramento jumped on Luke while we were still talking to Ty and he appeared inevitable. Same with Phoenix. He wasn't going back to Cleveland. That leaves Memphis, which I don't think would appeal to him.
In any event, the decisions Rob and Kurt made have higher stakes now. They may have passed on the best guy AND strengthened their toughest opponent. The Clippers' coaching advantage over us just got stronger. |
Vogel/Phil Handy/Hollins/Kidd/ >>> Doc/Lue/Cassell/ |
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Yay!
So when the clippers start off slow, we can hear the rumors of Lue wanting Doc's spot. |
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I'm happy Lue climbed up the mountain, then went back down, and wants to climb all the way back up again.
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| ocho wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | Well well well.
| Quote: | | The Clippers are closing in on the hiring of Tyronn Lue as a top assistant to Coach Doc Rivers, league sources say |
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On one end, it's a great move to bring in a coach with Lue's experience and success as an ASSISTANT.
On the other, why is he taking an assistant coach job? Has the market dictated that he's not head coach material at this time? I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it's kind of weird. But it also means I'm not losing sleep over not having him as our head coach, as much as that whole process itself was flawed and showed how dysfunctional our FO was. Two different things, though. |
There are currently no head coaching jobs available, and taking the Clippers job doesn't preclude him from taking a HC job should one open. |
There were jobs open, though, and they all passed on him. |
Eh not really. Sacramento jumped on Luke while we were still talking to Ty and he appeared inevitable. Same with Phoenix. He wasn't going back to Cleveland. That leaves Memphis, which I don't think would appeal to him.
In any event, the decisions Rob and Kurt made have higher stakes now. They may have passed on the best guy AND strengthened their toughest opponent. The Clippers' coaching advantage over us just got stronger. |
Not to mention that if Ty had been hired, Vogel would've been his lead assistant, which Vogel has since acknowledged himself. I'm excited about Vogel, but I would've loved that setup a lot more.
What sucks the most about this is that Ty is elite offensively. Clippers will already be top notch defensively, but now you throw in a coach who's elite on the other end where they have some question marks? Man. Also, do you think Lue's history as LeBron's coach might come in handy (no pun intended) during the playoffs if these two teams meet? I'd certainly say so. Clippers are killing it.
Meanwhile, we're stuck with archaic coaches like Jason Kidd and Lionel Hollins, who will be doing God knows what, and no offensive coordinator.
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| ocho wrote: | Well well well.
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How many years? 3,4 or 5 guaranteed?
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yinoma2001
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| LVLAKERFAN wrote: | | ocho wrote: | Well well well.
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How many years? 3,4 or 5 guaranteed? |
I would think it's likely a 1 year deal where he can sort of jump back in slowly (slower than being a HC).
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | LVLAKERFAN wrote: | | ocho wrote: | Well well well.
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How many years? 3,4 or 5 guaranteed? |
I would think it's likely a 1 year deal where he can sort of jump back in slowly (slower than being a HC). |
I bet three years as the head coach of a contender doesn't seem so bad anymore...
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| CandyCanes wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | LVLAKERFAN wrote: | | ocho wrote: | Well well well.
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How many years? 3,4 or 5 guaranteed? |
I would think it's likely a 1 year deal where he can sort of jump back in slowly (slower than being a HC). |
I bet three years as the head coach of a contender doesn't seem so bad anymore... |
Man this summer seems like an eternity. Was AD already locked up when Lue turned down the Lakers?
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | Well well well.
| Quote: | | The Clippers are closing in on the hiring of Tyronn Lue as a top assistant to Coach Doc Rivers, league sources say |
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On one end, it's a great move to bring in a coach with Lue's experience and success as an ASSISTANT.
On the other, why is he taking an assistant coach job? Has the market dictated that he's not head coach material at this time? I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it's kind of weird. But it also means I'm not losing sleep over not having him as our head coach, as much as that whole process itself was flawed and showed how dysfunctional our FO was. Two different things, though. |
There are currently no head coaching jobs available, and taking the Clippers job doesn't preclude him from taking a HC job should one open. |
There were jobs open, though, and they all passed on him. |
Eh not really. Sacramento jumped on Luke while we were still talking to Ty and he appeared inevitable. Same with Phoenix. He wasn't going back to Cleveland. That leaves Memphis, which I don't think would appeal to him.
In any event, the decisions Rob and Kurt made have higher stakes now. They may have passed on the best guy AND strengthened their toughest opponent. The Clippers' coaching advantage over us just got stronger. |
Vogel/Phil Handy/Hollins/Kidd/ >>> Doc/Lue/Cassell/ |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm happy Lue climbed up the mountain, then went back down, and wants to climb all the way back up again. |
Too prideful to take a 3 yr deal coaching Bron and "soon to come" AD. But not too prideful to be an assistant? Reality sunk in hard for him. |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm happy Lue climbed up the mountain, then went back down, and wants to climb all the way back up again. |
Too prideful to take a 3 yr deal coaching Bron and "soon to come" AD. But not too prideful to be an assistant? Reality sunk in hard for him. |
Maybe a way for him to rehab his value and claim credit if KL/Clips go far.
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | ocho wrote: | Well well well.
| Quote: | | The Clippers are closing in on the hiring of Tyronn Lue as a top assistant to Coach Doc Rivers, league sources say |
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On one end, it's a great move to bring in a coach with Lue's experience and success as an ASSISTANT.
On the other, why is he taking an assistant coach job? Has the market dictated that he's not head coach material at this time? I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it's kind of weird. But it also means I'm not losing sleep over not having him as our head coach, as much as that whole process itself was flawed and showed how dysfunctional our FO was. Two different things, though. |
There are currently no head coaching jobs available, and taking the Clippers job doesn't preclude him from taking a HC job should one open. |
There were jobs open, though, and they all passed on him. |
Eh not really. Sacramento jumped on Luke while we were still talking to Ty and he appeared inevitable. Same with Phoenix. He wasn't going back to Cleveland. That leaves Memphis, which I don't think would appeal to him.
In any event, the decisions Rob and Kurt made have higher stakes now. They may have passed on the best guy AND strengthened their toughest opponent. The Clippers' coaching advantage over us just got stronger. |
Vogel/Phil Handy/Hollins/Kidd/ >>> Doc/Lue/Cassell/ |
Exactly. |
Sure. Whatever helps.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm happy Lue climbed up the mountain, then went back down, and wants to climb all the way back up again. |
Too prideful to take a 3 yr deal coaching Bron and "soon to come" AD. But not too prideful to be an assistant? Reality sunk in hard for him. |
Maybe a way for him to rehab his value and claim credit if KL/Clips go far. |
Keeping busy on a contender while waiting for a HC vacancy to pop up.
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| ocho wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm happy Lue climbed up the mountain, then went back down, and wants to climb all the way back up again. |
Too prideful to take a 3 yr deal coaching Bron and "soon to come" AD. But not too prideful to be an assistant? Reality sunk in hard for him. |
Maybe a way for him to rehab his value and claim credit if KL/Clips go far. |
Keeping busy on a contender while waiting for a HC vacancy to pop up. |
Most likely. Get his name back out there. He was probably surprised given the coaching vacancies that he wasn't a big priority for those teams.
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| Runway8 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm happy Lue climbed up the mountain, then went back down, and wants to climb all the way back up again. |
Too prideful to take a 3 yr deal coaching Bron and "soon to come" AD. But not too prideful to be an assistant? Reality sunk in hard for him. |
Pride? No, the problem was the Lakers lowballing him by offering a three year deal when the standard deal is five. Even the rookie cosch for the Cavs got five years. Lue has won a championship. Not to mention that they wanted to pick his staff for him... Vogel ended up being their guy because he succumbed to those things.
Even in hindsight I'd rather take this path if I was him. The Clippers will be really good and his name will be associated with their success, rebuilding his value and adding to his resume. This next year is just a pit stop.
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| Judah wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm happy Lue climbed up the mountain, then went back down, and wants to climb all the way back up again. |
Too prideful to take a 3 yr deal coaching Bron and "soon to come" AD. But not too prideful to be an assistant? Reality sunk in hard for him. |
Pride? No, the problem was the Lakers lowballing him by offering a three year deal when the standard deal is five. Even the rookie cosch for the Cavs got five years. Lue has won a championship. Not to mention that they wanted to pick his staff for him... Vogel ended up being their guy because he succumbed to those things.
Even in hindsight I'd rather take this path if I was him. The Clippers will be really good and his name will be associated with their success, rebuilding his value and adding to his resume. This next year is just a pit stop. |
I don't think it was the 3 year thing as much as it was the combination of all of Rob and Kurt's lofty demands. A short deal, plus he doesn't get to pick his staff, plus he has to have Jason freaking Kidd looming over him. Only the desperate would agree to those terms.
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| ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm happy Lue climbed up the mountain, then went back down, and wants to climb all the way back up again. |
Too prideful to take a 3 yr deal coaching Bron and "soon to come" AD. But not too prideful to be an assistant? Reality sunk in hard for him. |
Pride? No, the problem was the Lakers lowballing him by offering a three year deal when the standard deal is five. Even the rookie cosch for the Cavs got five years. Lue has won a championship. Not to mention that they wanted to pick his staff for him... Vogel ended up being their guy because he succumbed to those things.
Even in hindsight I'd rather take this path if I was him. The Clippers will be really good and his name will be associated with their success, rebuilding his value and adding to his resume. This next year is just a pit stop. |
I don't think it was the 3 year thing as much as it was the combination of all of Rob and Kurt's lofty demands. A short deal, plus he doesn't get to pick his staff, plus he has to have Jason freaking Kidd looming over him. Only the desperate would agree to those terms. |
What would make you more happy? Laker success, or Vogel failure? |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm happy Lue climbed up the mountain, then went back down, and wants to climb all the way back up again. |
Too prideful to take a 3 yr deal coaching Bron and "soon to come" AD. But not too prideful to be an assistant? Reality sunk in hard for him. |
Pride? No, the problem was the Lakers lowballing him by offering a three year deal when the standard deal is five. Even the rookie cosch for the Cavs got five years. Lue has won a championship. Not to mention that they wanted to pick his staff for him... Vogel ended up being their guy because he succumbed to those things.
Even in hindsight I'd rather take this path if I was him. The Clippers will be really good and his name will be associated with their success, rebuilding his value and adding to his resume. This next year is just a pit stop. |
I don't think it was the 3 year thing as much as it was the combination of all of Rob and Kurt's lofty demands. A short deal, plus he doesn't get to pick his staff, plus he has to have Jason freaking Kidd looming over him. Only the desperate would agree to those terms. |
What would make you more happy? Laker success, or Vogel failure? |
Why would Vogel's failure make me happy?
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| ocho wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm happy Lue climbed up the mountain, then went back down, and wants to climb all the way back up again. |
Too prideful to take a 3 yr deal coaching Bron and "soon to come" AD. But not too prideful to be an assistant? Reality sunk in hard for him. |
Pride? No, the problem was the Lakers lowballing him by offering a three year deal when the standard deal is five. Even the rookie cosch for the Cavs got five years. Lue has won a championship. Not to mention that they wanted to pick his staff for him... Vogel ended up being their guy because he succumbed to those things.
Even in hindsight I'd rather take this path if I was him. The Clippers will be really good and his name will be associated with their success, rebuilding his value and adding to his resume. This next year is just a pit stop. |
I don't think it was the 3 year thing as much as it was the combination of all of Rob and Kurt's lofty demands. A short deal, plus he doesn't get to pick his staff, plus he has to have Jason freaking Kidd looming over him. Only the desperate would agree to those terms. |
What would make you more happy? Laker success, or Vogel failure? |
Why would Vogel's failure make me happy? |
Cause u been crying about hiring him before it was even official |
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