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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:12 am    Post subject:

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I got LeBron, Harden, Kemba, Giannis, and Siakam (in that order). You can't be the MVP if you can't shoot, and Giannis was exposed in the playoffs last year (and has shown little improvement shooting this year). In a close game, Giannis becomes a liability outside of his defensive impact.

Also, Kemba absolutely deserves to be in the top 5. Look at how Boston is playing this year vs. last year with Kyrie (despite losing Gordon Hayward). Kemba is the leader of that team and makes them go. I don't see Tatum as the best player on their team this year, and he was being called a bust last year with Kyrie on the team.


I haven't watched much of Kemba. How much better is he from yesterday's game? His shrimpiness was exposed yesterday. The refs were pretty bad. But his size was a detriment.


Refs blew multiple critical calls late in the game. First, the foul by Lou Williams on Kemba's drive. Then, the charge that was ruled a blocking foul by the refs despite Kemba being way outside the restricted area and in position to take the charge. Kemba had one of his worst games this season last night, and he has taken over other games for the Celtics to win.


So if the refs allow more contact, would it be fair to say Kemba would be MUCH less effective? I would include Harden and Lou in that statement as well, although Harden would still be effective.

Hopefully the urban legend about refs allowing more physicality in the playoffs is true.

Re: the regular season MVP... this is going to be an interesting year. I don't see the Celts keeping up this win rate. Which leads me to think he would lose votes that he would have gotten if they were the top seed in the east.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:02 am    Post subject:

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I got LeBron, Harden, Kemba, Giannis, and Siakam (in that order). You can't be the MVP if you can't shoot, and Giannis was exposed in the playoffs last year (and has shown little improvement shooting this year). In a close game, Giannis becomes a liability outside of his defensive impact.

Also, Kemba absolutely deserves to be in the top 5. Look at how Boston is playing this year vs. last year with Kyrie (despite losing Gordon Hayward). Kemba is the leader of that team and makes them go. I don't see Tatum as the best player on their team this year, and he was being called a bust last year with Kyrie on the team.


I haven't watched much of Kemba. How much better is he from yesterday's game? His shrimpiness was exposed yesterday. The refs were pretty bad. But his size was a detriment.


Refs blew multiple critical calls late in the game. First, the foul by Lou Williams on Kemba's drive. Then, the charge that was ruled a blocking foul by the refs despite Kemba being way outside the restricted area and in position to take the charge. Kemba had one of his worst games this season last night, and he has taken over other games for the Celtics to win.


So if the refs allow more contact, would it be fair to say Kemba would be MUCH less effective? I would include Harden and Lou in that statement as well, although Harden would still be effective.

Hopefully the urban legend about refs allowing more physicality in the playoffs is true.

Re: the regular season MVP... this is going to be an interesting year. I don't see the Celts keeping up this win rate. Which leads me to think he would lose votes that he would have gotten if they were the top seed in the east.


I get what you're saying, and he may not be as effective in the playoffs with more contact. In the regular season thus far (from what i've seen), he's been amongst the strongest candidates. I don't think he passes LeBron or Harden, but I'll take him over Giannis and Siakam in the regular season thus far.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:27 pm    Post subject:

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Luka


Ok, maybe, he goin super Saiyan tonight

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:34 pm    Post subject:

I think Luka and Lebron have to be right up there on the top at this point in the season. What they both are doing is amazing.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:23 pm    Post subject:

LeBron for MVP
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject:

First post updated. Numbers 1 and 2 are the same, but 3 through 5 have changed. Luka in the conversation, as is Kawhi. Harden, who is averaging 38PPG, is fourth.

It is still early in the season, and perhaps many of these statistics are unsustainable, but it will be an interesting race to MVP.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:36 am    Post subject:

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I got LeBron, Harden, Kemba, Giannis, and Siakam (in that order). You can't be the MVP if you can't shoot, and Giannis was exposed in the playoffs last year (and has shown little improvement shooting this year). In a close game, Giannis becomes a liability outside of his defensive impact.

Also, Kemba absolutely deserves to be in the top 5. Look at how Boston is playing this year vs. last year with Kyrie (despite losing Gordon Hayward). Kemba is the leader of that team and makes them go. I don't see Tatum as the best player on their team this year, and he was being called a bust last year with Kyrie on the team.


This board... You know how many people have won the MVP that "can't" shoot? Also, what does his performance in the 2019 playoffs have to do with his chances for MVP in the 2019-2020 season? Come on... at least try to stay objective.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:39 am    Post subject:

LeBron has a chance if Lakers finish with the best record in the league but if Luka keep this up and Mavs get home court... man
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:10 pm    Post subject:

Itโ€™s Luka for me.

Then Lebron. Then Harden.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:42 pm    Post subject:

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Itโ€™s Luka for me.

Then Lebron. Then Harden.



I can't argue with this.

Ranadive made a mistake by not overruling Vlade.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:35 am    Post subject:

Rankings updated. #1 and #2 remain the same. More shuffling for #3-#5.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:12 am    Post subject:

#1 remains the same. All others have shuffled, but it is still the same cast of candidates.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:32 am    Post subject:

Interesting seeing Siakam move into the discussion
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:00 am    Post subject:

Remember Nash? Lol. People gave him credit because he turned around the suns spectacularly? Well, if thats the criteria, then Davis is on the way to first MVP and second DPOY. Why? Because his presence makes it 21-3 possible.

So,
1. DAVIS
2. Giannis
3. Bron
4. Luka
5. Harden

But for some reasons I think people will think Giannis deserves most. Which to me a bit hard to debate. You see, both Davis and Giannis led their teams to playoffs and both eliminated in the conf finals. So, for Davis to get Lakers better with Bron and the gang is no brainer. It does not count as a "real" turnaround. Davis had done it before he joined LA. Meanwhile, Giannis does make the bucks better in real sense.
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Remember Nash? Lol. People gave him credit because he turned around the suns spectacularly? Well, if thats the criteria, then Davis is on the way to first MVP and second DPOY. Why? Because his presence makes it 21-3 possible.

So,
1. DAVIS
2. Giannis
3. Bron
4. Luka
5. Harden

But for some reasons I think people will think Giannis deserves most. Which to me a bit hard to debate. You see, both Davis and Giannis led their teams to playoffs and both eliminated in the conf finals. So, for Davis to get Lakers better with Bron and the gang is no brainer. It does not count as a "real" turnaround. Davis had done it before he joined LA. Meanwhile, Giannis does make the bucks better in real sense.


Nope.

Giannis
LeBron
AD

Luka
Harden
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:21 am    Post subject:

I think Giannis has to be the MVP right now because he's doing it all alone. Then it's AD/Bron. Then Luka and followed by Harden.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject:

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moonriver24 wrote:
Remember Nash? Lol. People gave him credit because he turned around the suns spectacularly? Well, if thats the criteria, then Davis is on the way to first MVP and second DPOY. Why? Because his presence makes it 21-3 possible.

So,
1. DAVIS
2. Giannis
3. Bron
4. Luka
5. Harden

But for some reasons I think people will think Giannis deserves most. Which to me a bit hard to debate. You see, both Davis and Giannis led their teams to playoffs and both eliminated in the conf finals. So, for Davis to get Lakers better with Bron and the gang is no brainer. It does not count as a "real" turnaround. Davis had done it before he joined LA. Meanwhile, Giannis does make the bucks better in real sense.


Nope.

Giannis
LeBron
AD

Luka
Harden

I do agree. But Davis should be next. Why? Is Lebron better because of Davis or Davis better because of Lebron? It is subjective. You may ask why Lebron suddenly can operate more freely now than ever?
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epak wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
Remember Nash? Lol. People gave him credit because he turned around the suns spectacularly? Well, if thats the criteria, then Davis is on the way to first MVP and second DPOY. Why? Because his presence makes it 21-3 possible.

So,
1. DAVIS
2. Giannis
3. Bron
4. Luka
5. Harden

But for some reasons I think people will think Giannis deserves most. Which to me a bit hard to debate. You see, both Davis and Giannis led their teams to playoffs and both eliminated in the conf finals. So, for Davis to get Lakers better with Bron and the gang is no brainer. It does not count as a "real" turnaround. Davis had done it before he joined LA. Meanwhile, Giannis does make the bucks better in real sense.


Nope.

Giannis
LeBron
AD

Luka
Harden

I do agree. But Davis should be next. Why? Is Lebron better because of Davis or Davis better because of Lebron? It is subjective. You may ask why Lebron suddenly can operate more freely now than ever?


I'm OK with an AD/Bron flip flop.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:45 am    Post subject:

moonriver24 wrote:
epak wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
Remember Nash? Lol. People gave him credit because he turned around the suns spectacularly? Well, if thats the criteria, then Davis is on the way to first MVP and second DPOY. Why? Because his presence makes it 21-3 possible.

So,
1. DAVIS
2. Giannis
3. Bron
4. Luka
5. Harden

But for some reasons I think people will think Giannis deserves most. Which to me a bit hard to debate. You see, both Davis and Giannis led their teams to playoffs and both eliminated in the conf finals. So, for Davis to get Lakers better with Bron and the gang is no brainer. It does not count as a "real" turnaround. Davis had done it before he joined LA. Meanwhile, Giannis does make the bucks better in real sense.


Nope.

Giannis
LeBron
AD

Luka
Harden

I do agree. But Davis should be next. Why? Is Lebron better because of Davis or Davis better because of Lebron? It is subjective. You may ask why Lebron suddenly can operate more freely now than ever?


Lebron QB the offense also averaging 25ppg/10apg in 50% shooting might help his case.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:33 am    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
epak wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
Remember Nash? Lol. People gave him credit because he turned around the suns spectacularly? Well, if thats the criteria, then Davis is on the way to first MVP and second DPOY. Why? Because his presence makes it 21-3 possible.

So,
1. DAVIS
2. Giannis
3. Bron
4. Luka
5. Harden

But for some reasons I think people will think Giannis deserves most. Which to me a bit hard to debate. You see, both Davis and Giannis led their teams to playoffs and both eliminated in the conf finals. So, for Davis to get Lakers better with Bron and the gang is no brainer. It does not count as a "real" turnaround. Davis had done it before he joined LA. Meanwhile, Giannis does make the bucks better in real sense.


Nope.

Giannis
LeBron
AD

Luka
Harden

I do agree. But Davis should be next. Why? Is Lebron better because of Davis or Davis better because of Lebron? It is subjective. You may ask why Lebron suddenly can operate more freely now than ever?


Lebron QB the offense also averaging 25ppg/10apg in 50% shooting might help his case.


And AD leads our defense while putting up amazing offensive numbers. Do people discredit defense in MVP talks because there's a DPOY award? I'm always lost on these subjective awards that seem to change relevant criterias every couple of years or so.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:44 am    Post subject:

Giannis
LeBron
Doncic
Davis
Harden
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:49 am    Post subject:

Lebron/AD - co mvp's.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:17 pm    Post subject:

moonriver24 wrote:
epak wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
Remember Nash? Lol. People gave him credit because he turned around the suns spectacularly? Well, if thats the criteria, then Davis is on the way to first MVP and second DPOY. Why? Because his presence makes it 21-3 possible.

So,
1. DAVIS
2. Giannis
3. Bron
4. Luka
5. Harden

But for some reasons I think people will think Giannis deserves most. Which to me a bit hard to debate. You see, both Davis and Giannis led their teams to playoffs and both eliminated in the conf finals. So, for Davis to get Lakers better with Bron and the gang is no brainer. It does not count as a "real" turnaround. Davis had done it before he joined LA. Meanwhile, Giannis does make the bucks better in real sense.


Nope.

Giannis
LeBron
AD

Luka
Harden

I do agree. But Davis should be next. Why? Is Lebron better because of Davis or Davis better because of Lebron? It is subjective. You may ask why Lebron suddenly can operate more freely now than ever?


Davis is better because of Lebron. Lebron can play that alpha role that Davis has struggled with. Though I am not sure how that will impact MVP votes, likely both players split those wanting to vote for a Laker. I am guessing that both get votes along with Giannis, Luka and Harden.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:19 pm    Post subject:

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Remember Nash? Lol. People gave him credit because he turned around the suns spectacularly? Well, if thats the criteria, then Davis is on the way to first MVP and second DPOY. Why? Because his presence makes it 21-3 possible.

So,
1. DAVIS
2. Giannis
3. Bron
4. Luka
5. Harden

But for some reasons I think people will think Giannis deserves most. Which to me a bit hard to debate. You see, both Davis and Giannis led their teams to playoffs and both eliminated in the conf finals. So, for Davis to get Lakers better with Bron and the gang is no brainer. It does not count as a "real" turnaround. Davis had done it before he joined LA. Meanwhile, Giannis does make the bucks better in real sense.


Not quite the same. Nash was a NOBODY. I mean he wasn't in the super-star discussion. He was borderline all-star with the Mavs. AD is a mega star and he's playing with the MJ of his time. So what I'm saying is that Nash got some of that underdog type votes.

Not only is AD expected to be a mega star, he plays with Lebron, so they are going to get points subtracted. It's unfair, but I don't see AD or Lebron winning MVP. Shaq and Kobe had the same issue when it comes to MVP. They ain't getting it cause they got each other.
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moonriver24 wrote:
epak wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
Remember Nash? Lol. People gave him credit because he turned around the suns spectacularly? Well, if thats the criteria, then Davis is on the way to first MVP and second DPOY. Why? Because his presence makes it 21-3 possible.

So,
1. DAVIS
2. Giannis
3. Bron
4. Luka
5. Harden

But for some reasons I think people will think Giannis deserves most. Which to me a bit hard to debate. You see, both Davis and Giannis led their teams to playoffs and both eliminated in the conf finals. So, for Davis to get Lakers better with Bron and the gang is no brainer. It does not count as a "real" turnaround. Davis had done it before he joined LA. Meanwhile, Giannis does make the bucks better in real sense.


Nope.

Giannis
LeBron
AD

Luka
Harden

I do agree. But Davis should be next. Why? Is Lebron better because of Davis or Davis better because of Lebron? It is subjective. You may ask why Lebron suddenly can operate more freely now than ever?


Davis is better because of Lebron. Lebron can play that alpha role that Davis has struggled with. Though I am not sure how that will impact MVP votes, likely both players split those wanting to vote for a Laker. I am guessing that both get votes along with Giannis, Luka and Harden.


Yup. AD played with a pretty damn good PG in Jrue Holiday and had shooters around as well in Mirotic and Etwaun Moore. But he wasnโ€™t this good.

Thatโ€™s not to say Lebron doesnโ€™t benefit from AD, he does, but AD has upped his game to a whole new level playing with Lebron.
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