Kuzma and Rondo (Defensive Holes)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:53 pm    Post subject:

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Rondo has the 4th worst defensive rating for pgs (I set it for 190 minutes minimum) on 538's RAPTOR.

He is IT level bad, but w/o the scoring....

LEGIT CANCER

He should play ZERO minutes the rest of the year

(bleep) the "playmaking" he brings.

For now, rather have Cook's spacing or Caruso's defense and heart.

Backup pg is maybe the team's biggest need it seems like. Tied with a defensive 3/4


The Clippers tired Lebron out a bit with a full court press and with no Rondo and Caruso to bring the ball up the court. Without Rondo our quest for another ballhandler goes from "we'd be better with one" to "we need one ASAP"
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:36 am    Post subject:

drae wrote:
nzahir wrote:
Rondo has the 4th worst defensive rating for pgs (I set it for 190 minutes minimum) on 538's RAPTOR.

He is IT level bad, but w/o the scoring....

LEGIT CANCER

He should play ZERO minutes the rest of the year

(bleep) the "playmaking" he brings.

For now, rather have Cook's spacing or Caruso's defense and heart.

Backup pg is maybe the team's biggest need it seems like. Tied with a defensive 3/4


The Clippers tired Lebron out a bit with a full court press and with no Rondo and Caruso to bring the ball up the court. Without Rondo our quest for another ballhandler goes from "we'd be better with one" to "we need one ASAP"

Well Caruso is back.

And we will HAVE to make a move there or no shot at a title. Really no shot

Can't have 5-6 reliable guys come playoff time:
Lebron, AD, Green, Avery, Dwight, and maybe Caruso

KCP, Kuzma, Rondo, Mcgee, Cook aren't reliable positive guys

We are 2-3 guys short

Need to move Kuzma for 1 of those. Some spare parts and 2nds/THT for a 2nd. Hope for a buyout or two.

But we aren't winning with all these holes (backup pg, consistent 3rd scorer, defensive 3/4)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:42 am    Post subject:

which lineup can hide Rondo's or Kuz's deficiency on defense? have them always with AB/DG and AD/Dwight?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:45 am    Post subject:

Rondo has doomed this team
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:36 am    Post subject:

drae wrote:
nzahir wrote:
Rondo has the 4th worst defensive rating for pgs (I set it for 190 minutes minimum) on 538's RAPTOR.

He is IT level bad, but w/o the scoring....

LEGIT CANCER

He should play ZERO minutes the rest of the year

(bleep) the "playmaking" he brings.

For now, rather have Cook's spacing or Caruso's defense and heart.

Backup pg is maybe the team's biggest need it seems like. Tied with a defensive 3/4


The Clippers tired Lebron out a bit with a full court press and with no Rondo and Caruso to bring the ball up the court. Without Rondo our quest for another ballhandler goes from "we'd be better with one" to "we need one ASAP"


That is a problem indeed. But the thought of Rondo "guarding" Lou on defense as a battle of the benches...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:13 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
drae wrote:
nzahir wrote:
Rondo has the 4th worst defensive rating for pgs (I set it for 190 minutes minimum) on 538's RAPTOR.

He is IT level bad, but w/o the scoring....

LEGIT CANCER

He should play ZERO minutes the rest of the year

(bleep) the "playmaking" he brings.

For now, rather have Cook's spacing or Caruso's defense and heart.

Backup pg is maybe the team's biggest need it seems like. Tied with a defensive 3/4


The Clippers tired Lebron out a bit with a full court press and with no Rondo and Caruso to bring the ball up the court. Without Rondo our quest for another ballhandler goes from "we'd be better with one" to "we need one ASAP"


That is a problem indeed. But the thought of Rondo "guarding" Lou on defense as a battle of the benches...


Well, Lou has to also guard Rondo. So it will be a real battle! LOL
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:44 am    Post subject:

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Kuzma and Odom couldn’t be any different.

Odom couldn’t shoot from the perimeter, prone to charges, disappeared for stretches of a game, and many of his rebounds were his own missed layups. Mychal Thompson syndrome. Odom offered no resistance as a post defender either, bums like Melvin Ely feasted.

Kuzma can shoot from the perimeter and has the foot speed to stay in front of guard penetration on defense. It’s really just his footwork that’s the issue. He never gets in a defensive stance. He’s always on his heels. Jason Kidd needs to work with him!


Are you saying that Kuzma is actually a superior player to Odom?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:26 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Kuzma and Odom couldn’t be any different.

Odom couldn’t shoot from the perimeter, prone to charges, disappeared for stretches of a game, and many of his rebounds were his own missed layups. Mychal Thompson syndrome. Odom offered no resistance as a post defender either, bums like Melvin Ely feasted.

Kuzma can shoot from the perimeter and has the foot speed to stay in front of guard penetration on defense. It’s really just his footwork that’s the issue. He never gets in a defensive stance. He’s always on his heels. Jason Kidd needs to work with him!


Are you saying that Kuzma is actually a superior player to Odom?


That's laughable....Kuzma can't touch LO right now...Kuzma's defense is an absolute joke. The Dwight, AD, Bron line-up is superior.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:31 am    Post subject:

King Randle wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Kuzma and Odom couldn’t be any different.

Odom couldn’t shoot from the perimeter, prone to charges, disappeared for stretches of a game, and many of his rebounds were his own missed layups. Mychal Thompson syndrome. Odom offered no resistance as a post defender either, bums like Melvin Ely feasted.

Kuzma can shoot from the perimeter and has the foot speed to stay in front of guard penetration on defense. It’s really just his footwork that’s the issue. He never gets in a defensive stance. He’s always on his heels. Jason Kidd needs to work with him!


Are you saying that Kuzma is actually a superior player to Odom?


That's laughable....Kuzma can't touch LO right now...Kuzma's defense is an absolute joke. The Dwight, AD, Bron line-up is superior.

Ming has never been fair about LO. LO was able to do what Rondo is for the Lakers in the Triangle offense, He was great at bringing the ball up and making a post entry pass, allowing Kobe to go off the ball. In the era Lamar played in his skills were not used or developed the way they would in todays game. I promise you all, if you think AD-Lebron are feasting on offense with how they play right now, we are a top 5 offensive team in this era. If Pau, Kobe and Lamar were together in their primes right now in this era we would be the #1 offensive team in the NBA, assuming we adapted to the spacing which required far more 3 point shooting ability (and willingness to shoot it). Pau would shoot 3s, something he never did back then. Kobe would have a free reign to bomb more 3s. The type of offense we would get would be very very hard to defend. So by that account, if we had that Lamar with AD and Lebron, we would be a much much better team.

Kuzma has talent, but he is a non-factor many of the times. Zero impact unless he scores, which his scoring similar to an inconsistent Lamar - that was the weakness in Lamars game - the inconsistent scoring and shooting. Lamar could impact a game with rebounding, defense, ballhandling. Basically Lamar is Rondo and Kuzma combined, and a better defender. So no, I do not think Ming was at all fair in that one.
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