This coach just dismantled Utah’s defense with DPOY playing
I never expected it to come together this quickly. What a job Vogel is doing, and he clearly understands defense. And, more importantly, he knows how to teach it. I don't know what happened in Orlando, but the man clearly knows defensive basketball. We clearly have a system in place. Even in extreme garbage time late tonight, you saw Dudley make a steal where the Utah player got inside with dribble penetration and thought he could just feed the big down low, but because Dudley rotated over, he got the steal. That's not by accident. It's the system.
Pelinka and company got roasted for failing to hire Ty Lue, but this coaching staff, led by Vogel, is doing a hell of a job.
Great spacing, multiple plays to get a player open (like wide open either for layup/3) and it seems like our players were familiar with Utah's defensive scheme, Gobert was drawn out most of the game and couldn't rim protect while our bigs straight lock the rim up, no layup style. Good job coach
This coach just dismantled Utah’s defense with DPOY playing
I never expected it to come together this quickly. What a job Vogel is doing, and he clearly understands defense. And, more importantly, he knows how to teach it. I don't know what happened in Orlando, but the man clearly knows defensive basketball. We clearly have a system in place. Even in extreme garbage time late tonight, you saw Dudley make a steal where the Utah player got inside with dribble penetration and thought he could just feed the big down low, but because Dudley rotated over, he got the steal. That's not by accident. It's the system.
Pelinka and company got roasted for failing to hire Ty Lue, but this coaching staff, led by Vogel, is doing a hell of a job.
RE: Orlando
He didn't have the personnel to execute his system. Vucevic was their best player. Then a bunch of randoms + Aaron Gordon.
And now with the Lakers he suddenly has two top 5 players with high IQ plus he has future coach (RONDO) on the court. It's the perfect storm.
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:49 am Post subject:
I like him. And I like his staff. Particularly Hollins.
Similar to Dwight, I always knew Vogel wouldn't hurt us. I was never pissed about the signing. But he's still exceeding my expectations. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
This coach just dismantled Utah’s defense with DPOY playing
I never expected it to come together this quickly. What a job Vogel is doing, and he clearly understands defense. And, more importantly, he knows how to teach it. I don't know what happened in Orlando, but the man clearly knows defensive basketball. We clearly have a system in place. Even in extreme garbage time late tonight, you saw Dudley make a steal where the Utah player got inside with dribble penetration and thought he could just feed the big down low, but because Dudley rotated over, he got the steal. That's not by accident. It's the system.
Pelinka and company got roasted for failing to hire Ty Lue, but this coaching staff, led by Vogel, is doing a hell of a job.
RE: Orlando
He didn't have the personnel to execute his system. Vucevic was their best player. Then a bunch of randoms + Aaron Gordon.
And now with the Lakers he suddenly has two top 5 players with high IQ plus he has future coach (RONDO) on the court. It's the perfect storm.
From what I understand, the Orlando team had a lot of Kuzma like players on it. Young talented development players with little defensive effort/IQ prior to Vogel and in came Frank with his mindset and no one really could follow that lead. In LA the Lakers brought in AD at the same time with Vogel, so you had the best defensive player in the NBA. Makes a huge difference when you have your best player who can be exactly what you need in your style of coaching.
Then the other major thing, is that Frank got input on his role players as soon as he came in. The timing was such that Frank comes in and LA gets AD and also has 30M to spend on role players. So Frank knows what role players can give him defense and the things he wants on offense, and that is why in part they went the way they did.
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:43 am Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
I think there might be a good chance that we should all be relieved Lue didn’t take the job. We might have gotten real lucky there but I will take it.
Vogel definitely adds an element of calm. He is never freaking out and always seems to have things under control and thinking about the next move.
How successful do you think Lue or Walton would have been with this roster? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:28 am Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
I like him. And I like his staff. Particularly Hollins.
Similar to Dwight, I always knew Vogel wouldn't hurt us. I was never pissed about the signing. But he's still exceeding my expectations.
I too was fine with Vogel. I wanted Monty more but when he wouldn’t talk with us, I was good with bringing in Frank. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Something Vogel has to be credited for is his regular rotations.
1. Always having either Lebron or AD playing at all times. If the lead is in double digits, sometimes neither are in which is good to give them a good breather. He did this during the road trip. And then when the other team was closing the gap, he immediately brings one of them in.
2. The starting lineup. He knows that Lebron can play the point, so why not have two good defenders out there? That's why I really like the KCP and DG lineup and the DG and AB lineup.
3. Putting in Rondo everytime Lebron is in the bench to be the main playmaker.
Something Vogel has to be credited for is his regular rotations.
1. Always having either Lebron or AD playing at all times. If the lead is in double digits, sometimes neither are in which is good to give them a good breather. He did this during the road trip. And then when the other team was closing the gap, he immediately brings one of them in.
2. The starting lineup. He knows that Lebron can play the point, so why not have two good defenders out there? That's why I really like the KCP and DG lineup and the DG and AB lineup.
3. Putting in Rondo everytime Lebron is in the bench to be the main playmaker.
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:30 am Post subject:
Our defense is scary: _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
I like him. And I like his staff. Particularly Hollins.
Similar to Dwight, I always knew Vogel wouldn't hurt us. I was never pissed about the signing. But he's still exceeding my expectations.
I too was fine with Vogel. I wanted Monty more but when he wouldn’t talk with us, I was good with bringing in Frank.
Good call. I thought he was average but way behind Lue. He’s proven otherwise.
I like him. And I like his staff. Particularly Hollins.
Similar to Dwight, I always knew Vogel wouldn't hurt us. I was never pissed about the signing. But he's still exceeding my expectations.
I too was fine with Vogel. I wanted Monty more but when he wouldn’t talk with us, I was good with bringing in Frank.
Are you saying Monty didn't say a word in the interview on April 25, 2019? Weird. Maybe that is why he didn't get an offer from us.
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:49 pm Post subject:
venturalakersfan wrote:
I wasn’t sold on Lue. Maybe a few years under Doc will prepare him for another head coaching gig.
But Doc isn't some great coach. I vividly remember his Orlando days, then Lurch gifted him KG when he was in Boston. The NBA then gifted him CP3 and paired him with Blake Griffin across the hall. Thenthey tampered to get Kawhi and PG.
He won a ring but I give more credit to Thibbs' defensive scheme. I'm just not sold on Doc being this great coach. He was gifted talent in Boston and with the Clipps. His teams do play hard for him though.
I like him. And I like his staff. Particularly Hollins.
Similar to Dwight, I always knew Vogel wouldn't hurt us. I was never pissed about the signing. But he's still exceeding my expectations.
I too was fine with Vogel. I wanted Monty more but when he wouldn’t talk with us, I was good with bringing in Frank.
Are you saying Monty didn't say a word in the interview on April 25, 2019? Weird. Maybe that is why he didn't get an offer from us.
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