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wolfpaclaker
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What did AD have in New Orleans that is so great? Did he have Kyrie and Love? Did he have Love and another star guard? How many players in the league lead teams to contending without a second all-star? AD never had a consistent second star. Lebron has had that wherever he has gone, and even a 3rd.
When Lebron did not have that last year, he failed to even make the playoffs. Yes he got hurt but even when he got back, the team failed to win.
So to put it all on as if AD can not lead a team, is ridiculous. AD has never played with a legit second star, outside of the half season he played with prime Cousins. And that year he went to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Is that really bad? Would Lebron or any other star won a ring in New Orleans with the talent AD has played with?
Now without him, NOR is 6-17. Certainly with AD instead of Ingram/Ball/Hart,. that Pelicans team is 4 wins better and competing for a late playoff seed hovering between 35-45 wins. |
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ringfinger
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | What did AD have in New Orleans that is so great? Did he have Kyrie and Love? Did he have Love and another star guard? How many players in the league lead teams to contending without a second all-star? AD never had a consistent second star. Lebron has had that wherever he has gone, and even a 3rd.
When Lebron did not have that last year, he failed to even make the playoffs. Yes he got hurt but even when he got back, the team failed to win.
So to put it all on as if AD can not lead a team, is ridiculous. AD has never played with a legit second star, outside of the half season he played with prime Cousins. And that year he went to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Is that really bad? Would Lebron or any other star won a ring in New Orleans with the talent AD has played with?
Now without him, NOR is 6-17. Certainly with AD instead of Ingram/Ball/Hart,. that Pelicans team is 4 wins better and competing for a late playoff seed hovering between 35-45 wins. |
The thing with AD is that his teams never exceeded expectations. He never had a season where you were like wow, AD got that team that far?
Playing with a true alpha has really helped unlock his potential. Pretty sure everyone can agree he is playing even better than expected, especially defensively. Also, I think Vogel has a lot to do with this. |
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LaLaLakeShow
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| ringfinger wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | What did AD have in New Orleans that is so great? Did he have Kyrie and Love? Did he have Love and another star guard? How many players in the league lead teams to contending without a second all-star? AD never had a consistent second star. Lebron has had that wherever he has gone, and even a 3rd.
When Lebron did not have that last year, he failed to even make the playoffs. Yes he got hurt but even when he got back, the team failed to win.
So to put it all on as if AD can not lead a team, is ridiculous. AD has never played with a legit second star, outside of the half season he played with prime Cousins. And that year he went to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Is that really bad? Would Lebron or any other star won a ring in New Orleans with the talent AD has played with?
Now without him, NOR is 6-17. Certainly with AD instead of Ingram/Ball/Hart,. that Pelicans team is 4 wins better and competing for a late playoff seed hovering between 35-45 wins. |
The thing with AD is that his teams never exceeded expectations. He never had a season where you were like wow, AD got that team that far?
Playing with a true alpha has really helped unlock his potential. Pretty sure everyone can agree he is playing even better than expected, especially defensively. Also, I think Vogel has a lot to do with this. |
Not surprised in the slightest. This guy is as unique as they come.
He’s the player you would design in a video game. Generational talent |
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cencio_999
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | What did AD have in New Orleans that is so great? Did he have Kyrie and Love? Did he have Love and another star guard? How many players in the league lead teams to contending without a second all-star? AD never had a consistent second star. Lebron has had that wherever he has gone, and even a 3rd.
When Lebron did not have that last year, he failed to even make the playoffs. Yes he got hurt but even when he got back, the team failed to win.
So to put it all on as if AD can not lead a team, is ridiculous. AD has never played with a legit second star, outside of the half season he played with prime Cousins. And that year he went to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Is that really bad? Would Lebron or any other star won a ring in New Orleans with the talent AD has played with?
Now without him, NOR is 6-17. Certainly with AD instead of Ingram/Ball/Hart,. that Pelicans team is 4 wins better and competing for a late playoff seed hovering between 35-45 wins. |
The thing with AD is that his teams never exceeded expectations. He never had a season where you were like wow, AD got that team that far?
Playing with a true alpha has really helped unlock his potential. Pretty sure everyone can agree he is playing even better than expected, especially defensively. Also, I think Vogel has a lot to do with this. |
A couple of season ago nobody expected AD and the pelicans to sweep the blazers in the 1st round, if you want to consider that exceeding expectations |
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ringfinger
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| cencio_999 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | What did AD have in New Orleans that is so great? Did he have Kyrie and Love? Did he have Love and another star guard? How many players in the league lead teams to contending without a second all-star? AD never had a consistent second star. Lebron has had that wherever he has gone, and even a 3rd.
When Lebron did not have that last year, he failed to even make the playoffs. Yes he got hurt but even when he got back, the team failed to win.
So to put it all on as if AD can not lead a team, is ridiculous. AD has never played with a legit second star, outside of the half season he played with prime Cousins. And that year he went to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Is that really bad? Would Lebron or any other star won a ring in New Orleans with the talent AD has played with?
Now without him, NOR is 6-17. Certainly with AD instead of Ingram/Ball/Hart,. that Pelicans team is 4 wins better and competing for a late playoff seed hovering between 35-45 wins. |
The thing with AD is that his teams never exceeded expectations. He never had a season where you were like wow, AD got that team that far?
Playing with a true alpha has really helped unlock his potential. Pretty sure everyone can agree he is playing even better than expected, especially defensively. Also, I think Vogel has a lot to do with this. |
A couple of season ago nobody expected AD and the pelicans to sweep the blazers in the 1st round, if you want to consider that exceeding expectations |
Why didn’t they expect them to?? |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | cencio_999 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | What did AD have in New Orleans that is so great? Did he have Kyrie and Love? Did he have Love and another star guard? How many players in the league lead teams to contending without a second all-star? AD never had a consistent second star. Lebron has had that wherever he has gone, and even a 3rd.
When Lebron did not have that last year, he failed to even make the playoffs. Yes he got hurt but even when he got back, the team failed to win.
So to put it all on as if AD can not lead a team, is ridiculous. AD has never played with a legit second star, outside of the half season he played with prime Cousins. And that year he went to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Is that really bad? Would Lebron or any other star won a ring in New Orleans with the talent AD has played with?
Now without him, NOR is 6-17. Certainly with AD instead of Ingram/Ball/Hart,. that Pelicans team is 4 wins better and competing for a late playoff seed hovering between 35-45 wins. |
The thing with AD is that his teams never exceeded expectations. He never had a season where you were like wow, AD got that team that far?
Playing with a true alpha has really helped unlock his potential. Pretty sure everyone can agree he is playing even better than expected, especially defensively. Also, I think Vogel has a lot to do with this. |
A couple of season ago nobody expected AD and the pelicans to sweep the blazers in the 1st round, if you want to consider that exceeding expectations |
Why didn’t they expect them to?? |
| Quote: | | New Orleans became the first No. 6 seed (or lower) to sweep its first-round series since the NBA switched from its best-of-five format in 2003. |
AD averaged 33/12/3 on 58%, 30% from 3 and closed out in game 4 with 47/11/3 on 15/24 shooting
Maybe that's why... |
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hype
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | cencio_999 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | What did AD have in New Orleans that is so great? Did he have Kyrie and Love? Did he have Love and another star guard? How many players in the league lead teams to contending without a second all-star? AD never had a consistent second star. Lebron has had that wherever he has gone, and even a 3rd.
When Lebron did not have that last year, he failed to even make the playoffs. Yes he got hurt but even when he got back, the team failed to win.
So to put it all on as if AD can not lead a team, is ridiculous. AD has never played with a legit second star, outside of the half season he played with prime Cousins. And that year he went to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Is that really bad? Would Lebron or any other star won a ring in New Orleans with the talent AD has played with?
Now without him, NOR is 6-17. Certainly with AD instead of Ingram/Ball/Hart,. that Pelicans team is 4 wins better and competing for a late playoff seed hovering between 35-45 wins. |
The thing with AD is that his teams never exceeded expectations. He never had a season where you were like wow, AD got that team that far?
Playing with a true alpha has really helped unlock his potential. Pretty sure everyone can agree he is playing even better than expected, especially defensively. Also, I think Vogel has a lot to do with this. |
A couple of season ago nobody expected AD and the pelicans to sweep the blazers in the 1st round, if you want to consider that exceeding expectations |
Why didn’t they expect them to?? |
| Quote: | | New Orleans became the first No. 6 seed (or lower) to sweep its first-round series since the NBA switched from its best-of-five format in 2003. |
AD averaged 33/12/3 on 58%, 30% from 3 and closed out in game 4 with 47/11/3 on 15/24 shooting
Maybe that's why... |
Yeah, I remember that series.. They def. exceeded expectations that year and AD elevated his game to another entire level in those Playoffs. He started to show he was a legit superstar but people forgot again last season when he was sitting so much since he know he was going to be traded eventually.
He was putting up monster numbers and dominating in that first series especially but he had the unfortunate luck of running into one of the greatest rosters ever in those prime Warriors who obviously went on to win a Championship so you can't really fault him for that year. |
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