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55
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:31 pm Post subject:

defense wrote:

I noticed a few posters who used to post everyday with wall of texts about the Lakers, now have virtually disappeared. They can't stand to see the Lakers are 22-3. Bet if we were 3-22 they would be all up in here telling us how right they are and how much the Lakers suck.

If you miss the walls of text, you’ll find them in the General Basketball Discussion thread, still proclaiming Randle to be amazing.

I miss the “AD will not sign with us this summer and we’ll be doomed”.

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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:34 pm Post subject:

55 wrote:

defense wrote:

Well, if he didn’t we would be Lol
But I can’t see him leaving, so we Good
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:01 am Post subject:

55 wrote:

defense wrote:

God. People were mad when we let Randle walk even though we were getting Lebron. 45 year old Lebron will be better than Randle in his prime.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:02 am Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:

55 wrote:

defense wrote:

God. People were mad when we let Randle walk even though we were getting Lebron. 45 year old Lebron will be better than Randle in his prime.

Lol
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:04 am Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:

55 wrote:

defense wrote:

God. People were mad when we let Randle walk even though we were getting Lebron. 45 year old Lebron will be better than Randle in his prime.

26% from 3, defensive liability Julius Randle?

Yeah, hard pass.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:38 am Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:

Dr. Laker wrote:

Inspector Gadget wrote:

Is anyone else getting annoyed with Marcellus Wiley? Every time there is a Lakers talk he always brings up the Clippers beating the Lakers in the 1st game.. I mean yeah we get it...

What station is he on? I've not seen or heard Marcellus in years.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MEGd0XHE6h4

He was on TV.

Wiley and Winlock on the same show lol. Man, I feel sorry for Jim Jackson.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:29 am Post subject:

If only head size was a determination of intelligence. What baffoons!

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 am Post subject:

55 wrote:

defense wrote:

Or you have the posters who make stuff up and then complain about what they made up.
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:04 am Post subject:

lakerdynasty5.0 wrote:

LaLaLakeShow wrote:

lakerdynasty5.0 wrote:

LaLaLakeShow wrote:

Mamba81 wrote:

LaLaLakeShow wrote:

Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote:

LaLaLakeShow wrote:

venturalakersfan wrote:

lakerdynasty5.0 wrote:

and AD can pretty much play Shaq to a draw (thanks to the edge in Free Throws, and Treys)

I love AD as a Pelican and as a Laker, but that is flat out silly.

No doubt.
Shaq would get deep in the paint and shoot 80% or more Lol.
And probably foul AD out in the process

What rules are we playing with? When illegal defense restrictions weren't enforced properly by the refs, Shaq struggled on the road against Vlade and Sabonis...in his MVP season.

So if the game is called correctly then he’d be golden, yes?
AD would be so winded having to check Shaq in the post he’d have no legs for those jumpers in the 4th. That’s how I see it, anyway

think u misinterpreted what 5.0 was saying!!

Fair enough. Enlighten me

OP made a good comparison: 99-00 Lakers-Blazers compared with 19-20 Lakers-Clips. My point was that our two headed monster now compares well with our two headed monster then! Specifically what AD gives us now compares well with what Shaq gave us then.

Understood 👍

All good my co-lakers-fan! Just glad, VLF didn't take umbrage at what I thought ESPN could do with "my" gap!!

I will leave you to your own insecurities
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:06 am Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:

55 wrote:

defense wrote:

God. People were mad when we let Randle walk even though we were getting Lebron. 45 year old Lebron will be better than Randle in his prime.

People understood that one had nothing to do with the other. Evidently not everyone. It was a dumb move no matter how you try to dress it up.
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:12 am Post subject:

While Randle was playing with us, I thought he was an above average defender. And I thought Lonzo and Ingram were elite. After looking at guys like AD, Avery, Green and even Dudley on a near daily basis, and taking closer looks at guys like Kawhi, Siakim, etc., our (former) youth really had a long, long way to go. I wish the best for them, but I also understand their limitations given the wider context of the NBA. I think when you have a very young team, you tend to dote on them more and it lends itself to more of a fishbowl experience.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:13 am Post subject:

LaLaLakeShow wrote:

Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote:

LaLaLakeShow wrote:

venturalakersfan wrote:

lakerdynasty5.0 wrote:

and AD can pretty much play Shaq to a draw (thanks to the edge in Free Throws, and Treys)

I love AD as a Pelican and as a Laker, but that is flat out silly.

No doubt.
Shaq would get deep in the paint and shoot 80% or more Lol.
And probably foul AD out in the process

What rules are we playing with? When illegal defense restrictions weren't enforced properly by the refs, Shaq struggled on the road against Vlade and Sabonis...in his MVP season.

So if the game is called correctly then he’d be golden, yes?
AD would be so winded having to check Shaq in the post he’d have no legs for those jumpers in the 4th. That’s how I see it, anyway

If you're playing with the rules of Shaq's era, he'd be fine. AD would be taken off of Shaq after a quarter or so.

Post-2001, with the rules against help defense and zones taken away, Shaq would have to try to play a bit more like Jokic. Now, you can't simply run the triangle to force all the help to come from the weakside, or at least from above the FT line.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:22 am Post subject:

I agree with others. When and if we play the clips in the playoffs (who are we kidding?, we will)... We want them hopefully in the conference finals. Get kawhi all banged up and limping around against the likes of the nuggets, rockets Mavs, etc. That's why I think there's value in pushing for a top seed. at the same time, don't risk injury doing it. And Dwight's gonna have to pull out some performances from the past and really take it to them.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:28 am Post subject:

drae wrote:

AFireInside619 wrote:

55 wrote:

defense wrote:

God. People were mad when we let Randle walk even though we were getting Lebron. 45 year old Lebron will be better than Randle in his prime.

26% from 3, defensive liability Julius Randle?

Yeah, hard pass.

alligator arm, too short for PF, without a jumpshot Randle? easy pass on that

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:55 am Post subject:

Randle is trash. We really talking about Randle here? He's a bum like Lonzo, and his efficiency has plumetted since he received that ridiculous contract from the Knicks.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:13 am Post subject:

We should have traded Randle for a pick but apart from that, he wasn't a big loss.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:43 am Post subject:

BadGuy wrote:

Randle is trash. We really talking about Randle here? He's a bum like Lonzo, and his efficiency has plumetted since he received that ridiculous contract from the Knicks.

Yeah, I'm wondering why he's doing so poorly this year compared to last year.
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:06 am Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:

AFireInside619 wrote:

55 wrote:

defense wrote:

God. People were mad when we let Randle walk even though we were getting Lebron. 45 year old Lebron will be better than Randle in his prime.

People understood that one had nothing to do with the other. Evidently not everyone. It was a dumb move no matter how you try to dress it up.

Everytime I read one of your posts, I picture Gargamel from the smurfs. We're just living happily, singing in our mushroom huts and sharing blueberries. And then there's Gargamel sitting in his rocking chair, petting his cat, plotting how to burn the village down.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:10 am Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:

BadGuy wrote:

Randle is trash. We really talking about Randle here? He's a bum like Lonzo, and his efficiency has plumetted since he received that ridiculous contract from the Knicks.

Yeah, I'm wondering why he's doing so poorly this year compared to last year.

He's always been a guy more focused on his stats. He rarely makes the kind of winning plays that don't show in the statbox. I will say that Luke Walton seemed to get more out of him defensively as a switching big. This is why I was in favor of Luke benching him and making him earn his starting spot again. That is part of development. He was benched in favor of Nance, who does make winning plays that don't show in the stats. Obviously we all know Randle is the more talented player, but he is still raw when it comes to intangibles. Plus it's the Knicks man. They're toxic from the top down.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:11 am Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:

BadGuy wrote:

Randle is trash. We really talking about Randle here? He's a bum like Lonzo, and his efficiency has plumetted since he received that ridiculous contract from the Knicks.

Yeah, I'm wondering why he's doing so poorly this year compared to last year.

Got paid

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:19 am Post subject:

BadGuy wrote:

Randle is trash. We really talking about Randle here? He's a bum like Lonzo, and his efficiency has plumetted since he received that ridiculous contract from the Knicks.

It's about letting an asset to for nothing. Don't think we could use an asset right now when we're pick-strapped and need a playmaker and a wing defender? He got 17 mil a year as an FA, which means he had value around the league. His stats playing an outsized roll on a crappy team doesn't change that.

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:23 am Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

LandsbergerRules wrote:

BadGuy wrote:

Randle is trash. We really talking about Randle here? He's a bum like Lonzo, and his efficiency has plumetted since he received that ridiculous contract from the Knicks.

Yeah, I'm wondering why he's doing so poorly this year compared to last year.

Got paid

he didnt get a motherload contract though... only 3 years < 60mil.
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:24 am Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

LandsbergerRules wrote:

BadGuy wrote:

Randle is trash. We really talking about Randle here? He's a bum like Lonzo, and his efficiency has plumetted since he received that ridiculous contract from the Knicks.

Yeah, I'm wondering why he's doing so poorly this year compared to last year.

Got paid

Exactly.

His contract is guaranteed for the next year too.

And if he got traded or waived before then, 90% he will find a better situation than the knicks

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:27 am Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:

BadGuy wrote:

Randle is trash. We really talking about Randle here? He's a bum like Lonzo, and his efficiency has plumetted since he received that ridiculous contract from the Knicks.

Yeah, I'm wondering why he's doing so poorly this year compared to last year.

He's being utilized as a number 1 option on a team with no spacing and no playmaking. It's a structure which emphasizes all his flaws and sets him up to fail
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:31 am Post subject:

manlisten wrote:

LandsbergerRules wrote:

BadGuy wrote:

Randle is trash. We really talking about Randle here? He's a bum like Lonzo, and his efficiency has plumetted since he received that ridiculous contract from the Knicks.

Yeah, I'm wondering why he's doing so poorly this year compared to last year.

He's being utilized as a number 1 option on a team with no spacing and no playmaking. It's a structure which emphasizes all his flaws and sets him up to fail

He's not the no. 1 option in NY.
Actually he's taking less shots than last year, despite playing more minutes.

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