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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:59 pm Post subject:
Wilt wrote:
Bernie's embrace of Rogan is one major reason AOC distanced herself from the campaign.
As any sane person would do. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Barack Obama delivered to black people the hoary message that if they work twice as hard as white people, anything is possible. But Trump’s counter is persuasive: Work half as hard as black people, and even more is possible.
greenfrog thinks this is a lie _________________ Under New Management
The collective verdict holds that the Democratic Party lost its way when it abandoned everyday economic issues like job creation for the softer fare of social justice. The indictment continues: To their neoliberal economics, Democrats and liberals have married a condescending elitist affect that sneers at blue-collar culture and mocks the white man as history’s greatest monster and prime-time television’s biggest doofus. In this rendition, Donald Trump is not the product of white supremacy so much as the product of a backlash against contempt for white working-class people. That black people, who have lived for centuries under such derision and condescension, have not yet been driven into the arms of Trump does not trouble these theoreticians. After all, in this analysis, Trump’s racism and the racism of his supporters are incidental to his rise. Indeed, the alleged glee with which liberals call out Trump’s bigotry is assigned even more power than the bigotry itself.
Ostensibly assaulted by campus protests, battered by arguments about intersectionality, and oppressed by new bathroom rights, a blameless white working class did the only thing any reasonable polity might: elect an orcish reality-television star who insists on taking his intelligence briefings in picture-book form.
Asserting that Trump’s rise was primarily powered by cultural resentment and economic reversal has become de rigueur among white pundits and thought leaders. But evidence for this is, at best, mixed. In a study of preelection polling data, the Gallup researchers Jonathan Rothwell and Pablo Diego-Rosell found that “people living in areas with diminished economic opportunity” were “somewhat more likely to support Trump.” But the researchers also found that voters in their study who supported Trump generally had a higher mean household income ($81,898) than those who did not ($77,046). Those who approved of Trump were “less likely to be unemployed and less likely to be employed part-time” than those who did not. They also tended to be from areas that were very white: “The racial and ethnic isolation of whites at the zip code level is one of the strongest predictors of Trump support."
An analysis of exit polls conducted during the presidential primaries estimated the median household income of Trump supporters to be about $72,000. But even this lower number is almost double the median household income of African Americans, and $15,000 above the American median. Trump’s white support was not determined by income. According to Edison Research, Trump won whites making less than $50,000 by 20 points, whites making $50,000 to $99,999 by 28 points, and whites making $100,000 or more by 14 points. This shows that Trump assembled a broad white coalition that ran the gamut from Joe the Dishwasher to Joe the Plumber to Joe the Banker. So when white pundits cast the elevation of Trump as the handiwork of an inscrutable white working class, they are being too modest, declining to claim credit for their own economic class. Trump’s dominance among whites across class lines is of a piece with his larger dominance across nearly every white demographic. Trump won white women (+9) and white men (+31). He won white people with college degrees (+3) and white people without them (+37). He won whites ages 18–29 (+4), 30–44 (+17), 45–64 (+28), and 65 and older (+19). Trump won whites in midwestern Illinois (+11), whites in mid-Atlantic New Jersey (+12), and whites in the Sun Belt’s New Mexico (+5). In no state that Edison polled did Trump’s white support dip below 40 percent. Hillary Clinton’s did, in states as disparate as Florida, Utah, Indiana, and Kentucky. From the beer track to the wine track, from soccer moms to nascar dads, Trump’s performance among whites was dominant. According to Mother Jones, based on preelection polling data, if you tallied the popular vote of only white America to derive 2016 electoral votes, Trump would have defeated Clinton 389 to 81, with the remaining 68 votes either a toss-up or unknown.
Racist white leftists lie to you. They have always lied to you. _________________ Under New Management
To accept that the bloody heirloom remains potent even now, some five decades after Martin Luther King Jr. was gunned down on a Memphis balcony—even after a black president; indeed, strengthened by the fact of that black president—is to accept that racism remains, as it has since 1776, at the heart of this country’s political life. The idea of acceptance frustrates the left. The left would much rather have a discussion about class struggles, which might entice the white working masses, instead of about the racist struggles that those same masses have historically been the agents and beneficiaries of. Moreover, to accept that whiteness brought us Donald Trump is to accept whiteness as an existential danger to the country and the world. But if the broad and remarkable white support for Donald Trump can be reduced to the righteous anger of a noble class of smallville firefighters and evangelicals, mocked by Brooklyn hipsters and womanist professors into voting against their interests, then the threat of racism and whiteness, the threat of the heirloom, can be dismissed. Consciences can be eased; no deeper existential reckoning is required.
(bleep) the anti-idpol left, [Let's dial back the personal insults. -CL] _________________ Under New Management
I know there's more drinking at home these days with the quarantine but we gotta calm down here, LG. Are we all anxious for what's to happen next? I sure am but we can't pick on each other too much on here, I'm guilty of it as well.
Unclench everyone, unclench
Otherwise, the terorists win.
I for one, don't want to end up like Joe Exotic _________________ Creatures crawl in search of blood, To terrorize y'alls neighborhood.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:55 pm Post subject:
Biden and Bernie people need to stop telling each other to (bleep) off and use that energy towards Trump, _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
I'm dismayed, not surprised by Trump supporters not seeing the entire canvas. The country is in the direst state I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of dire times.
Trump is the most incompetent leader this country has EVER had. The back to the separate bathrooms, water fountains and lunch counter crowd is alive and well.
WE SHALL OVERCOME!!!!
He made a dumb joke about banging models at a pandemic press conference. The only good thing about it was watching Pence's black soul leave his body on live tv after hearing it.
I'd like to see any indication of an emotion out of Pence, but I'd rather self-cut than sit thru a whole Trump conference. What was the joke? Or can you pinpoint me to the vid? _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
I'm dismayed, not surprised by Trump supporters not seeing the entire canvas. The country is in the direst state I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of dire times.
Trump is the most incompetent leader this country has EVER had. The back to the separate bathrooms, water fountains and lunch counter crowd is alive and well.
WE SHALL OVERCOME!!!!
He made a dumb joke about banging models at a pandemic press conference. The only good thing about it was watching Pence's black soul leave his body on live tv after hearing it.
I'd like to see any indication of an emotion out of Pence, but I'd rather self-cut than sit thru a whole Trump conference. What was the joke? Or can you pinpoint me to the vid?
This isn't the clip you're looking for but it's a good one.
When David Duke, the former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, shocked the country in 1990 by almost winning one of Louisiana’s seats in the U.S. Senate, the apologists came out once again. They elided the obvious—that Duke had appealed to the racist instincts of a state whose schools are, at this very moment, still desegregating—and instead decided that something else was afoot. “There is a tremendous amount of anger and frustration among working-class whites, particularly where there is an economic downturn,” a researcher told the Los Angeles Times. “These people feel left out; they feel government is not responsive to them.” By this logic, postwar America—with its booming economy and low unemployment—should have been an egalitarian utopia and not the violently segregated country it actually was.
But this was the past made present. It was not important to the apologists that a large swath of Louisiana’s white population thought it was a good idea to send a white supremacist who once fronted a terrorist organization to the nation’s capital. Nor was it important that blacks in Louisiana had long felt left out. What was important was the fraying of an ancient bargain, and the potential degradation of white workers to the level of “negers.” “A viable left must find a way to differentiate itself strongly from such analysis,” David Roediger, the University of Kansas professor, has written.
Bernie Sanders on George Wallace _________________ Under New Management
It’s worth asking why the country has not been treated to a raft of sympathetic portraits of this “forgotten” young black electorate, forsaken by a Washington bought off by Davos elites and special interests. The unemployment rate for young blacks (20.6 percent) in July 2016 was double that of young whites (9.9 percent). And since the late 1970s, William Julius Wilson and other social scientists following in his wake have noted the disproportionate effect that the decline in manufacturing jobs has had on African American communities. If anyone should be angered by the devastation wreaked by the financial sector and a government that declined to prosecute the perpetrators, it is African Americans—the housing crisis was one of the primary drivers in the past 20 years of the wealth gap between black families and the rest of the country. But the cultural condescension toward and economic anxiety of black people is not news. Toiling blacks are in their proper state; toiling whites raise the specter of white slavery.
Moreover, a narrative of long-neglected working-class black voters, injured by globalization and the financial crisis, forsaken by out-of-touch politicians, and rightfully suspicious of a return of Clintonism, does not serve to cleanse the conscience of white people for having elected Donald Trump. Only the idea of a long-suffering white working class can do that. And though much has been written about the distance between elites and “Real America,” the existence of a class-transcending, mutually dependent tribe of white people is evident.
The lumpen commenweal of the horseshoe theory of American politics. _________________ Under New Management
These claims of origin and fidelity are not merely elite defenses of an aggrieved class but also a sweeping dismissal of the concerns of those who don’t share kinship with white men. “You can’t eat equality,” asserts Joe Biden—a statement worthy of someone unthreatened by the loss of wages brought on by an unwanted pregnancy, a background-check box at the bottom of a job application, or the deportation of a breadwinner. Within a week of Sanders lambasting Democrats for not speaking to “the people” where he “came from,” he was making an example of a woman who dreamed of representing the people where she came from. Confronted with a young woman who hoped to become the second Latina senator in American history, Sanders responded with a parody of the Clinton campaign: “It is not good enough for someone to say, ‘I’m a woman! Vote for me!’ No, that’s not good enough … One of the struggles that you’re going to be seeing in the Democratic Party is whether we go beyond identity politics.” The upshot—attacking one specimen of identity politics after having invoked another—was unfortunate.
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All politics are identity politics—except the politics of white people, the politics of the bloody heirloom.
40% of 2016 Trump voters say the president did not take coronavirus seriously enough early in the crisis, up 17 points since early last week.
• 66% of independents and 66% of Americans overall say the same, a 10-point increase from last week.
• 53% of Trump voters say Trump got it “about right” initially, down 7 points. 1% say he overreacted.
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There’s been a 7-point increase since March 23rd in the percentage of Americans saying they are seriously concerned that Trump downplayed the threat of the coronavirus early on.
• The majority of white non-college Americans, a usually supportive group, say they are seriously concerned that Trump downplayed the threat of coronavirus early on.
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Trump Failed to Take Action at a Critical Stage
Six in ten Americans say Trump’s failure to act early raises serious concerns, with people of color especially concerned about Trump’s early inaction.
• Even among white Americans with no 4-year degree, half (48%) worry the president did not act in time.
• Most independents (61%) also say they are seriously concerned about Trump’s early inaction.
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• The majority of white non-college Americans (53%) say that “unprepared” applies to Trump’s coronavirus response and people of color are even more likely to agree.
• While 61% say Trump is unprepared, 52% say he is “chaotic” and “erratic,” and 51% say he is “irresponsible.”
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The share of Americans who say “Honest” does not apply to Trump’s coronavirus response has grown by 9 points.
• Among independents, the share who feel “honest” does not apply to the president has gone from 37% a week ago to 58% today
Like I said yesterday, you can't fool all the people all the time. Trump does not actually have magical powers. Yes he has a core cult, but that's it.
White tribalism haunts even more-nuanced writers. George Packer’s New Yorker essay “The Unconnected” is a lengthy plea for liberals to focus more on the white working class, a population that “has succumbed to the ills that used to be associated with the black urban ‘underclass.’ ” Packer believes that these ills, and the Democratic Party’s failure to respond to them, explain much of Trump’s rise. Packer offers no opinion polls to weigh white workers’ views on “elites,” much less their views on racism. He offers no sense of how their views and their relationship to Trump differ from other workers’ and other whites’.
That is likely because any empirical evaluation of the relationship between Trump and the white working class would reveal that one adjective in that phrase is doing more work than the other. In 2016, Trump enjoyed majority or plurality support among every economic branch of whites. It is true that his strongest support among whites came from those making $50,000 to $99,999. This would be something more than working-class in many nonwhite neighborhoods, but even if one accepts that branch as the working class, the difference between how various groups in this income bracket voted is revealing. Sixty-one percent of whites in this “working class” supported Trump. Only 24 percent of Hispanics and 11 percent of blacks did. Indeed, the plurality of all voters making less than $100,000 and the majority making less than $50,000 voted for the Democratic candidate. So when Packer laments the fact that “Democrats can no longer really claim to be the party of working people—not white ones, anyway,” he commits a kind of category error. The real problem is that Democrats aren’t the party of white people—working or otherwise. White workers are not divided by the fact of labor from other white demographics; they are divided from all other laborers by the fact of their whiteness.
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The triumph of Trump’s campaign of bigotry presented the problematic spectacle of an American president succeeding at best in spite of his racism and possibly because of it. Trump moved racism from the euphemistic and plausibly deniable to the overt and freely claimed. This presented the country’s thinking class with a dilemma. Hillary Clinton simply could not be correct when she asserted that a large group of Americans was endorsing a candidate because of bigotry. The implications—that systemic bigotry is still central to our politics; that the country is susceptible to such bigotry; that the salt-of-the-earth Americans whom we lionize in our culture and politics are not so different from those same Americans who grin back at us in lynching photos; that Calhoun’s aim of a pan-Caucasian embrace between workers and capitalists still endures—were just too dark. Leftists would have to cope with the failure, yet again, of class unity in the face of racism. Incorporating all of this into an analysis of America and the path forward proved too much to ask. Instead, the response has largely been an argument aimed at emotion—the summoning of the white working class, emblem of America’s hardscrabble roots, inheritor of its pioneer spirit, as a shield against the horrific and empirical evidence of trenchant bigotry.
_________________ Under New Management
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These claims of origin and fidelity are not merely elite defenses of an aggrieved class but also a sweeping dismissal of the concerns of those who don’t share kinship with white men. “You can’t eat equality,” asserts Joe Biden—a statement worthy of someone unthreatened by the loss of wages brought on by an unwanted pregnancy, a background-check box at the bottom of a job application, or the deportation of a breadwinner. Within a week of Sanders lambasting Democrats for not speaking to “the people” where he “came from,” he was making an example of a woman who dreamed of representing the people where she came from. Confronted with a young woman who hoped to become the second Latina senator in American history, Sanders responded with a parody of the Clinton campaign: “It is not good enough for someone to say, ‘I’m a woman! Vote for me!’ No, that’s not good enough … One of the struggles that you’re going to be seeing in the Democratic Party is whether we go beyond identity politics.” The upshot—attacking one specimen of identity politics after having invoked another—was unfortunate.
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All politics are identity politics—except the politics of white people, the politics of the bloody heirloom.
Who cares about this anymore (at least until after the 2020 election)? Biden will be the nominee and right now we are in the middle of a dangerously deadly pandemic accelerated by Trump's stupidity and incompetence.
These claims of origin and fidelity are not merely elite defenses of an aggrieved class but also a sweeping dismissal of the concerns of those who don’t share kinship with white men. “You can’t eat equality,” asserts Joe Biden—a statement worthy of someone unthreatened by the loss of wages brought on by an unwanted pregnancy, a background-check box at the bottom of a job application, or the deportation of a breadwinner. Within a week of Sanders lambasting Democrats for not speaking to “the people” where he “came from,” he was making an example of a woman who dreamed of representing the people where she came from. Confronted with a young woman who hoped to become the second Latina senator in American history, Sanders responded with a parody of the Clinton campaign: “It is not good enough for someone to say, ‘I’m a woman! Vote for me!’ No, that’s not good enough … One of the struggles that you’re going to be seeing in the Democratic Party is whether we go beyond identity politics.” The upshot—attacking one specimen of identity politics after having invoked another—was unfortunate.
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All politics are identity politics—except the politics of white people, the politics of the bloody heirloom.
Who cares about this anymore (at least until after the 2020 election)? Biden will be the nominee and right now we are in the middle of a dangerously deadly pandemic accelerated by Trump's stupidity and incompetence.
I think it's an essay from Coates that has been vindicated as the most accurate post-mortem of the era of Trump and it's accurate to point out that both Biden and Sanders have long made "race neutral" appeals to working class white voters. And that Biden's success with such voters in this cycle may reify the primacy of identity politics versus class politics in the white American voters' consciousness irrespective of class. _________________ Under New Management
“Hydroxychloroquine is a drug they use to treat lupus. It could be a game changer. I heard people with lupus aren’t as affected by the virus. Maybe that’s true, maybe that’s false, you’ll have to check it out.” _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:23 pm Post subject:
Wilt wrote:
“Hydroxychloroquine is a drug they use to treat lupus. It could be a game changer. I heard people with lupus aren’t as affected by the virus. Maybe that’s true, maybe that’s false, you’ll have to check it out.”
Ladies and gentlemen, your POtuS
_________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
“Hydroxychloroquine is a drug they use to treat lupus. It could be a game changer. I heard people with lupus aren’t as affected by the virus. Maybe that’s true, maybe that’s false, you’ll have to check it out.”
Summary of this week's press conferences:
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Jeff Tiedrich @itsJeffTiedrich
Trump's pandemic response, this week's edition:
— pretended to be somber
— bragged about banging models
— bragged about how popular he is on Facebook
— accused doctors and nurses of stealing equipment
— put his (bleep) son-in-law in charge of making sure no one gets help
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