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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:37 pm    Post subject:

Been reading the fat result Abbott tests the WH is using has an alarmingly high % of false negatives.

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he speedy Abbott test, which is supposed to determine in five to 13 minutes whether a person has the virus, missed a third of the positive samples found by the diagnostic company Cepheid when both tests used nasopharyngeal swabs, said the study done by a group from New York University. It missed more than 48 percent when both firms’ tests used dry nasal swabs. The former penetrates deeply into the nasal passages, while the latter is less invasive.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/13/abbott-test-hailed-by-president-trump-has-been-dogged-by-accuracy-questions/

NOTE: The study hasn't been peer reviewed. But even if it's 1/2 that %. It's still scary.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 8:30 am    Post subject:

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Been reading the fat result Abbott tests the WH is using has an alarmingly high % of false negatives.

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he speedy Abbott test, which is supposed to determine in five to 13 minutes whether a person has the virus, missed a third of the positive samples found by the diagnostic company Cepheid when both tests used nasopharyngeal swabs, said the study done by a group from New York University. It missed more than 48 percent when both firms’ tests used dry nasal swabs. The former penetrates deeply into the nasal passages, while the latter is less invasive.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/13/abbott-test-hailed-by-president-trump-has-been-dogged-by-accuracy-questions/

NOTE: The study hasn't been peer reviewed. But even if it's 1/2 that %. It's still scary.


Crap that is very very bad. I heard Jared Dudley talking this morning on spectrum that testing players before every game to help ensure the safety of the players

Well if the plan was to use these rapid tests, oh crap!
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 9:07 am    Post subject:

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kikanga wrote:
Been reading the fat result Abbott tests the WH is using has an alarmingly high % of false negatives.

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he speedy Abbott test, which is supposed to determine in five to 13 minutes whether a person has the virus, missed a third of the positive samples found by the diagnostic company Cepheid when both tests used nasopharyngeal swabs, said the study done by a group from New York University. It missed more than 48 percent when both firms’ tests used dry nasal swabs. The former penetrates deeply into the nasal passages, while the latter is less invasive.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/13/abbott-test-hailed-by-president-trump-has-been-dogged-by-accuracy-questions/

NOTE: The study hasn't been peer reviewed. But even if it's 1/2 that %. It's still scary.


Crap that is very very bad. I heard Jared Dudley talking this morning on spectrum that testing players before every game to help ensure the safety of the players

Well if the plan was to use these rapid tests, oh crap!



It just shows that there is still a lot of important details to work out. It's not as simple as the players and the league agreeing to the idea of restarting in concept.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Stadium/status/1261314673720295424
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 10:35 am    Post subject:

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Stadium/status/1261314673720295424


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 4:56 pm    Post subject:

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/05/15/report-nba-would-lose-900-million-in-television-money-if-playoffs-are-canceled/

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Optimism remains high in league circles that the NBA will complete this season. Exactly how, where, and what that restart will all look like remain unanswered questions, but within the next month NBA Commissioner Adam Silver is expected to make the call and lay out a plan.

Why doesn’t the league just scrap this season and plan for the next one? There are more than 900 million reasons for that, reports Sam Amick at The Athletic.

The lost national television revenue from these playoffs alone would be approximately $900 million, according to a source who gleaned the figure from one of the many conference calls with Silver recently. If the NBA can’t find a way to play regular-season games, sources say teams will also lose out on regional sports network revenues that require them to air at least 70 games to achieve the financial threshold that is so routinely discussed in league circles.

That 70-game mark is why there remains a push from Silver to bring all 30 teams back and play some regular season games before jumping to the playoffs (each team played between 63 and 67 games before play was suspended). Throw in lost gate revenue at arenas, and the league is going to lose more than a billion dollars due to the coronavirus shutdown (even if there are playoffs)

That revenue loss hits the players, too. On Friday (May 15), most of them got their first check with 25% taken out, part of an agreement between the league and players’ union to help prepare for canceled games and the league exercising the “force majeure” provision in the CBA. The more money lost by the league, the more players are going to feel it in the pocketbook this season and in future ones.

Which motivates players to get back on the court. For the players, it’s a matter of balancing risk and reward — the vast majority want to start play again, but only if it’s safe. How much is too much risk is a personal decision, but one Silver is going to have to find a consensus on.

One other interesting note from Amick’s piece in the Athletic: One way to tighten up the schedule and get in more games is to shorten the training camps before those games tip-off, and that seems to be happening.

In terms of the training component, one source with knowledge of the league’s latest talking points said the time estimates for a training camp have been shortened in recent weeks. Whereas the early discussions involved the possible prospect of needing four or five weeks for camps, the goal now appears to be closer to two or three.

That’s concerning in terms of injury prevention.

“We call it spiking the workloads, you never want to go from zero to 100, that’s when you see a lot of injuries,” one team’s strength and training coach told NBC Sports, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “You’re going to need a slow ramp-up. How slow it is going to be somewhat limited, with everyone wanting to get things going.”

The NBA knows all this, it’s trying to balance all this, and Silver has been clear with owners and players there is no perfect answer, no risk-free decision. He’s looking to find the best of a lot of bad options.

But there are 900 million reasons for him to find a way to make the playoffs happen.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 2:42 pm    Post subject:

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https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/05/15/report-nba-would-lose-900-million-in-television-money-if-playoffs-are-canceled/

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Report: NBA would lose $900 million in television money if playoffs are canceled


Optimism remains high in league circles that the NBA will complete this season. Exactly how, where, and what that restart will all look like remain unanswered questions, but within the next month NBA Commissioner Adam Silver is expected to make the call and lay out a plan.

Why doesn’t the league just scrap this season and plan for the next one? There are more than 900 million reasons for that, reports Sam Amick at The Athletic.

The lost national television revenue from these playoffs alone would be approximately $900 million, according to a source who gleaned the figure from one of the many conference calls with Silver recently. If the NBA can’t find a way to play regular-season games, sources say teams will also lose out on regional sports network revenues that require them to air at least 70 games to achieve the financial threshold that is so routinely discussed in league circles.

That 70-game mark is why there remains a push from Silver to bring all 30 teams back and play some regular season games before jumping to the playoffs (each team played between 63 and 67 games before play was suspended). Throw in lost gate revenue at arenas, and the league is going to lose more than a billion dollars due to the coronavirus shutdown (even if there are playoffs)

That revenue loss hits the players, too. On Friday (May 15), most of them got their first check with 25% taken out, part of an agreement between the league and players’ union to help prepare for canceled games and the league exercising the “force majeure” provision in the CBA. The more money lost by the league, the more players are going to feel it in the pocketbook this season and in future ones.

Which motivates players to get back on the court. For the players, it’s a matter of balancing risk and reward — the vast majority want to start play again, but only if it’s safe. How much is too much risk is a personal decision, but one Silver is going to have to find a consensus on.

One other interesting note from Amick’s piece in the Athletic: One way to tighten up the schedule and get in more games is to shorten the training camps before those games tip-off, and that seems to be happening.

In terms of the training component, one source with knowledge of the league’s latest talking points said the time estimates for a training camp have been shortened in recent weeks. Whereas the early discussions involved the possible prospect of needing four or five weeks for camps, the goal now appears to be closer to two or three.

That’s concerning in terms of injury prevention.

“We call it spiking the workloads, you never want to go from zero to 100, that’s when you see a lot of injuries,” one team’s strength and training coach told NBC Sports, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “You’re going to need a slow ramp-up. How slow it is going to be somewhat limited, with everyone wanting to get things going.”

The NBA knows all this, it’s trying to balance all this, and Silver has been clear with owners and players there is no perfect answer, no risk-free decision. He’s looking to find the best of a lot of bad options.

But there are 900 million reasons for him to find a way to make the
playoffs happen.


Since there is a potential for huge financial damage to the league, it makes something like completing the season in Orlando more realistic than not finishing it at all, even if there are risks to the players.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 10:20 am    Post subject:

If NBA players can come back there's no excuse for this country to be shut down. They are not essential workers.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 11:47 am    Post subject:

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If NBA players can come back there's no excuse for this country to be shut down. They are not essential workers.


My guess is the shutdowns will end around June, but a lot of the social distancing policies will remain in place until we get easy access to treatment options for everyone.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 12:03 pm    Post subject:

WC games from Vegas
EC games from Orlando

Both sites obviously have abundant resources and accommodations to host such a large scale endeavors.

Finals 2-3-2 format with team with best record having "HCA"
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 2:12 pm    Post subject:

LonzoLegend2 wrote:
WC games from Vegas
EC games from Orlando

Both sites obviously have abundant resources and accommodations to host such a large scale endeavors.

Finals 2-3-2 format with team with best record having "HCA"


I agree with the WC and EC being split so that there is less congestion. Maybe if they do play a few season games, they should only play within conference.

But I don't see the point of a 2-3-2? There's no more homecourt, there's no reason for two teams to fly multiple times.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 2:48 pm    Post subject:

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LonzoLegend2 wrote:
WC games from Vegas
EC games from Orlando

Both sites obviously have abundant resources and accommodations to host such a large scale endeavors.

Finals 2-3-2 format with team with best record having "HCA"


I agree with the WC and EC being split so that there is less congestion. Maybe if they do play a few season games, they should only play within conference.

But I don't see the point of a 2-3-2? There's no more homecourt, there's no reason for two teams to fly multiple times.


They are playing at a neutral site. I don't think they should travel at all....the point of home court was because of fans, since there are no fans attending the games it should just be best of 7.
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 6:04 am    Post subject:

Moderna reports positive data on early-stage coronavirus vaccine trial, shares surge

vaccine produced Covid-19 antibodies in all 45 participants.

The vaccine also produced neutralizing antibodies against Covid-19 in at least eight participants, the company said.

Data on neutralizing antibodies for the other participants were not yet available

vaccination with mRNA-1273 elicits an immune response of the magnitude caused by natural infection starting with a dose as low as 25 [micrograms]

vaccine was generally safe and well tolerated.

If the vaccine is found to be effective and safe to use, it could be ready for the market in early 2021, the company said.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/moderna-reports-positive-data-on-early-stage-coronavirus-vaccine-trial.html
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 7:55 am    Post subject:

LonzoLegend2 wrote:
WC games from Vegas
EC games from Orlando

Both sites obviously have abundant resources and accommodations to host such a large scale endeavors.

Finals 2-3-2 format with team with best record having "HCA"


If you are able to do it all in one city, I don't see any reason for splitting it up. No reason for teams to travel back and forth between Orlando and Vegas to play in empty arenas
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 8:13 am    Post subject:

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Moderna reports positive data on early-stage coronavirus vaccine trial, shares surge

vaccine produced Covid-19 antibodies in all 45 participants.

The vaccine also produced neutralizing antibodies against Covid-19 in at least eight participants, the company said.

Data on neutralizing antibodies for the other participants were not yet available

vaccination with mRNA-1273 elicits an immune response of the magnitude caused by natural infection starting with a dose as low as 25 [micrograms]

vaccine was generally safe and well tolerated.

If the vaccine is found to be effective and safe to use, it could be ready for the market in early 2021, the company said.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/moderna-reports-positive-data-on-early-stage-coronavirus-vaccine-trial.html



great news!
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 9:05 am    Post subject:

cal1piggy wrote:
lar9149 wrote:
Moderna reports positive data on early-stage coronavirus vaccine trial, shares surge

vaccine produced Covid-19 antibodies in all 45 participants.

The vaccine also produced neutralizing antibodies against Covid-19 in at least eight participants, the company said.

Data on neutralizing antibodies for the other participants were not yet available

vaccination with mRNA-1273 elicits an immune response of the magnitude caused by natural infection starting with a dose as low as 25 [micrograms]

vaccine was generally safe and well tolerated.

If the vaccine is found to be effective and safe to use, it could be ready for the market in early 2021, the company said.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/moderna-reports-positive-data-on-early-stage-coronavirus-vaccine-trial.html



great news!


Indeed Cal1..I read further in other articles...they are starting phase 2 immediately which includes 600 people..phase 3 in late July which includes 1000+ people.

They plan starting in July to partner with a foreign firm and claim to be able to produce 1 billion doses annually..(as far as how many people that covers, that depends on how big a dosage is required..which isn/t exactly determined yet..although they indicated lower doses of 25 micrograms work).

In an optomistic point of view, given the drug maybe drawing attention, this may speed the number of participants to the trials (since it shows promise) and a faster than expected phase 2 & 3 can result (assuming results continue to show protection).
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https://mobile.twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1262434284167507968
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 9:57 am    Post subject:

lar9149 wrote:
cal1piggy wrote:
lar9149 wrote:
Moderna reports positive data on early-stage coronavirus vaccine trial, shares surge

vaccine produced Covid-19 antibodies in all 45 participants.

The vaccine also produced neutralizing antibodies against Covid-19 in at least eight participants, the company said.

Data on neutralizing antibodies for the other participants were not yet available

vaccination with mRNA-1273 elicits an immune response of the magnitude caused by natural infection starting with a dose as low as 25 [micrograms]

vaccine was generally safe and well tolerated.

If the vaccine is found to be effective and safe to use, it could be ready for the market in early 2021, the company said.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/moderna-reports-positive-data-on-early-stage-coronavirus-vaccine-trial.html



great news!


Indeed Cal1..I read further in other articles...they are starting phase 2 immediately which includes 600 people..phase 3 in late July which includes 1000+ people.

They plan starting in July to partner with a foreign firm and claim to be able to produce 1 billion doses annually..(as far as how many people that covers, that depends on how big a dosage is required..which isn/t exactly determined yet..although they indicated lower doses of 25 micrograms work).

In an optomistic point of view, given the drug maybe drawing attention, this may speed the number of participants to the trials (since it shows promise) and a faster than expected phase 2 & 3 can result (assuming results continue to show protection).


Very encouraging news. 2021 is looking real promising. If only we can get through this year. I'm hoping remsdesivir and a few other treatments can put a cap on the mortality rate until we get there. I like that billions figure for production. Stock market liked it too.
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Cleveland Cavaliers forward Larry Nance Jr. is one of the NBA players with a preexisting condition that could make him more vulnerable to COVID-19. He's hoping people like him will be considered if the league attempts a restart in the near future.

Nance has Crohn's disease and uses a therapy that has enabled him to have a successful basketball career but also suppresses his immune system.

"I would hope there would be an understanding [from the league] if someone didn't feel comfortable coming back that'd you get a pass," Nance said. "Just because you may look like the picture of health, some people have issues you can't see."

Two months ago, when the NBA shut down following Utah Jazz center Rudy Gobert's positive test, Nance described himself as "absolutely terrified" because he'd recently played against Gobert. He'd already been consulting physicians and had considered staying home from a West Coast trip the Cavs were scheduled to leave on just as the league was suspended.

"We're young and you know the kind of shape players are in, you'd like to think [the virus] wouldn't be what it could be for others. But you don't know," Nance said. "I'm still scared and don't want to get it."

Nance's fears have been calmed in recent weeks as he has learned more about the virus and consulted various gastrointestinal specialists. The drug he's been on for the past 10 years via periodic IV infusions has shown to be helpful in fighting off the infection for some with his condition.

He's one of about seven Cavs players who have returned to the team's facility to do individual workouts over the past two weeks. Nance is hoping the situation will allow him to return to play if the NBA is able to restart the season.

"I'm paying super close attention to everything that is going on," he said. "I was watching the German soccer league over the weekend and seeing how the players were interacting with each other and still seeing them make a lot of contact. I can't even imagine being on one of those calls trying to hash this out. There's so many ways to spread this."


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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 3:26 pm    Post subject:

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If NBA players can come back there's no excuse for this country to be shut down. They are not essential workers.


My guess is the shutdowns will end around June, but a lot of the social distancing policies will remain in place until we get easy access to treatment options for everyone.


So will that be for everyone or just sports teams because I like to see their explanation of why sports teams are allowed to go on but not regular people?
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 4:29 pm    Post subject:

Hmmm...Heli company from Kobe's crash got $600,000 from the CARES act.
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 4:55 pm    Post subject:

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If NBA players can come back there's no excuse for this country to be shut down. They are not essential workers.


My guess is the shutdowns will end around June, but a lot of the social distancing policies will remain in place until we get easy access to treatment options for everyone.


So will that be for everyone or just sports teams because I like to see their explanation of why sports teams are allowed to go on but not regular people?


Around the country, all sorts of industries are opening up. Sports is simply another industry. And just like restaurants or retail stores or any other industry, sports will have unique safety requirements for its workers and customers.

I don't see that's related to requirements for the general public, like social distancing and wearing masks.

The requirements that are put on basketball player will be more comparable to requirements put on food handlers and servers in the restaurant business.
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 10:48 pm    Post subject:

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If NBA players can come back there's no excuse for this country to be shut down. They are not essential workers.


My guess is the shutdowns will end around June, but a lot of the social distancing policies will remain in place until we get easy access to treatment options for everyone.


So will that be for everyone or just sports teams because I like to see their explanation of why sports teams are allowed to go on but not regular people?


Same
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2020 4:06 pm    Post subject:

fine point, but it appears the coronavirus has some type of proofreading of its rna sequence during replication. this is rare for rna virus. this is likely a good thing in terms for vaccine and drugs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3127101/
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