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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:44 am    Post subject:

Note: The usual caveat about polls, complacency, Trump/GOP cheating, voter suppression, etc. But these trends away from Trump among Independents, Republicans, men and non-college white are notable. For now.

Broad disapproval for Trump's handling of coronavirus, race relations: ABC/IPSOS POLL

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President Donald Trump is facing broad disapproval for his management of the two major crises gripping the nation, with two-thirds of Americans giving him low marks for both his response to the coronavirus pandemic and his handling of race relations, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday.

Evaluation of Trump's oversight of the COVID-19 crisis reached a new low since ABC News/Ipsos began surveying on the coronavirus in March, with 67% disapproving of his efforts. One-third of the country approves of the president's oversight of the pandemic.


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Trump's approval among independents lands at 26% in the survey, a sharp drop from 40% in mid-June, the last time the question was asked. Trump's disapproval among independents has risen to 73%, up from 59% in the June poll.


Independents: 14-point drop in approval since June and 14-point increase in disapproval.

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Within his own party, Republicans are less inclined to back him in the newest poll, with only 78% approving of the president's handling of the coronavirus, compared to 90% in mid-June. His disapproval of 22% in the new poll is a more than two-fold increase from last month.


Republicans: 12-point drop in approval since June and 11-point increase in disapproval.

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In a variety of demographic groups, there are clear and consistent shifts in support away from the president.

Men (66%) and women (67%), in near equal measure, disapprove of the president's coronavirus response, which represents a double-digit increase among men since the June poll, when 54% disapproved.

Even white Americans without a college degree, considered to be a core constituency of Trump's base, are split in their approval of the president's handling, with 50% disapproving and 49% approving, compared to 42% disapproving and 57% approving in that last poll.


Men: 12-point drop in approval since June.
Non-college whites: 8-point drop in approval since June, 8-point increase in disapproval.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:49 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:07 am    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
Note: The usual caveat about polls, complacency, Trump/GOP cheating, voter suppression, etc. But these trends away from Trump among Independents, Republicans, men and non-college white are notable. For now.

Broad disapproval for Trump's handling of coronavirus, race relations: ABC/IPSOS POLL

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President Donald Trump is facing broad disapproval for his management of the two major crises gripping the nation, with two-thirds of Americans giving him low marks for both his response to the coronavirus pandemic and his handling of race relations, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday.

Evaluation of Trump's oversight of the COVID-19 crisis reached a new low since ABC News/Ipsos began surveying on the coronavirus in March, with 67% disapproving of his efforts. One-third of the country approves of the president's oversight of the pandemic.


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Trump's approval among independents lands at 26% in the survey, a sharp drop from 40% in mid-June, the last time the question was asked. Trump's disapproval among independents has risen to 73%, up from 59% in the June poll.


Independents: 14-point drop in approval since June and 14-point increase in disapproval.

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Within his own party, Republicans are less inclined to back him in the newest poll, with only 78% approving of the president's handling of the coronavirus, compared to 90% in mid-June. His disapproval of 22% in the new poll is a more than two-fold increase from last month.


Republicans: 12-point drop in approval since June and 11-point increase in disapproval.

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In a variety of demographic groups, there are clear and consistent shifts in support away from the president.

Men (66%) and women (67%), in near equal measure, disapprove of the president's coronavirus response, which represents a double-digit increase among men since the June poll, when 54% disapproved.

Even white Americans without a college degree, considered to be a core constituency of Trump's base, are split in their approval of the president's handling, with 50% disapproving and 49% approving, compared to 42% disapproving and 57% approving in that last poll.


Men: 12-point drop in approval since June.
Non-college whites: 8-point drop in approval since June, 8-point increase in disapproval.


Those are all good signs, but important to remember that many people will both disapprove of and vote for him.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:09 am    Post subject:

AP: Biden pledges New Deal-like economic agenda to counter Trump

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Democrat Joe Biden turned his campaign against President Donald Trump toward the economy Thursday, introducing a New Deal-like economic agenda while drawing a sharp contrast with a billionaire incumbent he said has abandoned working-class Americans amid cascading crises.

The former vice president presented details of a comprehensive agenda that he touted as the most aggressive government investment in the U.S. economy since World War II. He also accused Trump of ignoring the coronavirus pandemic and the climate crisis while encouraging division amid a national reckoning with systemic racism.

“His failures come with a terrible human cost and a deep economic toll,” Biden said during a 30-minute address at a metal works firm near his childhood hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania. “Time and again, working families are paying the price for this administration’s incompetence.”

Biden’s shift to the economy meets Trump on turf the Republican president had seen as his strength before the pandemic severely curtailed consumer activity and drove unemployment to near-Great Depression levels. Now, Biden and his aides believe the issue is an all-encompassing opening that gives Democrats avenues to attack Trump on multiple fronts while explaining their own governing vision for the country.

The former vice president began Thursday with proposals intended to reinvigorate the U.S. manufacturing and technology sectors.


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The procurement overhaul is based on ideas Biden has discussed with his former presidential rival, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who offered similar proposals during the Democratic primary. Those moves would create 5 million new jobs, Biden said.


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His opening emphasis on manufacturing and labor policy is no coincidence: Biden wants to capitalize on his union ties and win back working-class white voters who fueled Trump’s upset win four years ago. He noted his middle-class upbringing and alluded to Trump’s childhood as the son of a multimillionaire real estate developer.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:12 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:

Those are all good signs, but important to remember that many people will both disapprove of and vote for him.


Yes, or door number three - stay home.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:32 am    Post subject:

Washington Post, Jennifer Rubin: Joe Biden just ate Trump’s populist lunch

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Had President Trump followed a truly populist economic program — forgoing tax cuts for the rich, passing an infrastructure bill, refraining from trying to take health care away from millions of Americans — he might have improved his standing with voters (before the coronavirus calamity) and boxed out Democrats who have always done best when pitching a bread-and-butter economic message to blue-collar voters. Instead, Trump followed the supply-side, pro-donor and pro-wealthy playbook that Republicans have locked themselves into for decades.

On Thursday, former vice president Joe Biden snatched the populist mantle back from Trump. The Post reports: “Joe Biden unveiled a proposal Thursday to spend $700 billion on American products and research, challenging President Trump’s ‘America First’ agenda with a competing brand of economic nationalism and setting the stage for an election-year showdown over the country’s financial future.”

Biden’s plan is aimed squarely at workers based on a message of “fairness.” As he explained on Thursday during a speech in Dunmore, Pa., the presumptive Democratic nominee seeks “an economy where every American enjoys a fair return for their work — and an equal chance to get ahead. An economy that is more powerful precisely because everyone is cut in on the deal. An economy that says investing in the American people and working families is more important than the nearly $2 trillion dollar tax break Trump predominantly handed out to the richest Americans.”


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Biden, whose staff consulted with Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), managed (apparently) to satisfy the left wing of his party without putting forth something that will scare the rest of the electorate. Generally, this is how every winning Democratic candidate since World War II has campaigned. It has been good politics to run on an active federal government working for the little guy — especially when your opponent has been rewarding the super-rich and corporations.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:45 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:

Those are all good signs, but important to remember that many people will both disapprove of and vote for him.


Yes . . . as I have been saying when people point to Republicans allegedly "distancing" themselves from Trump.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:51 am    Post subject:

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His opening emphasis on manufacturing and labor policy is no coincidence: Biden wants to capitalize on his union ties and win back working-class white voters who fueled Trump’s upset win four years ago.[/b] He noted his middle-class upbringing and alluded to Trump’s childhood as the son of a multimillionaire real estate developer.


Fantastic! And here we thought going after those "working-class white voters who fueled Trump's upset win four years ago" was a fools errand.
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ChefLinda wrote:


His opening emphasis on manufacturing and labor policy is no coincidence: Biden wants to capitalize on his union ties and win back working-class white voters who fueled Trump’s upset win four years ago.[/b] He noted his middle-class upbringing and alluded to Trump’s childhood as the son of a multimillionaire real estate developer.


Fantastic! And here we thought going after those "working-class white voters who fueled Trump's upset win four years ago" was a fools errand.

No, counting on them as a robust voting bloc that could offset losses of suburban "PMC" voters is the fool's errand.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:23 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:29 pm    Post subject:

last night i saw a deleted thread on 4chan /pol/ in which the OP suggested "protests" that block highways and jam traffic in democrat areas of swing states on election day. There were 400+ replies before the thread was closed.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:30 pm    Post subject:

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That dude is so damn annoyingly moderate!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:32 pm    Post subject:

Link from CandyCane

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/506781-espns-adrian-wojnarowski-emails-josh-hawley-an-f-bomb

I think Woj did himself a favor. He'll be praised behind closed doors.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:50 pm    Post subject:

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Link from CandyCane

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/506781-espns-adrian-wojnarowski-emails-josh-hawley-an-f-bomb

I think Woj did himself a favor. He'll be praised behind closed doors.


What do you think was going through his mind sending that from his work account? And why does Hawley have time to actually check his own email?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:03 pm    Post subject:

Surfitall wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:


His opening emphasis on manufacturing and labor policy is no coincidence: Biden wants to capitalize on his union ties and win back working-class white voters who fueled Trump’s upset win four years ago.[/b] He noted his middle-class upbringing and alluded to Trump’s childhood as the son of a multimillionaire real estate developer.


Fantastic! And here we thought going after those "working-class white voters who fueled Trump's upset win four years ago" was a fools errand.


I said Democrats should pursue these policies because they are the right thing to do, regardless. But the fact remains that white working class voters haven't reliably voted for the Democratic party since the 60's. If they come back because they can overcome their racialized view of the world in favor of progressive polices that will benefit them, then good. But you can't rely on their votes until they actually prove that economic policy is more important to them than sticking to their GOP-racially-driven-grievance-tribe. So far that hasn't happened. But I applaud Joe Biden for consulting Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to come up with progressive populist policies.

I have always contended that we are better off motivating our own base rather than chasing a few white working class voters on the fence as an overall strategy. I still believe that. That doesn't mean you ignore them, but they can't be at the center of the agenda at the expense of the rest of the reliable Democratic base - people of color, single women, black women, college educated women, college educated whites (newer to the coalition). If you can craft a patchwork quilt of polices that help all of these groups, that's ideal. I think Warren is helping him do that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:23 pm    Post subject:

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Cool, I'm glad he is consulting others and giving them public credit.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:57 pm    Post subject:

This is a terrific new Biden ad. One of the most emotionally powerful yet:

https://twitter.com/chrislongview/status/1281573991556186121

Biden is both the anti-Trump and the antidote to Trump.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:07 pm    Post subject:

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This is a terrific new Biden ad. One of the most emotionally powerful yet:

https://twitter.com/chrislongview/status/1281573991556186121

Biden is both the anti-Trump and the antidote to Trump.


Love it!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:02 pm    Post subject:

He's a delusional narcissist.

Washington Post: Trump the victim: President complains in private about the pandemic hurting him

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The president rants about the deadly coronavirus destroying “the greatest economy,” one he claims to have personally built. He laments the unfair “fake news” media, which he vents never gives him any credit. And he bemoans the “sick, twisted” police officers in Minneapolis, whose killing of an unarmed black man in their custody provoked the nationwide racial justice protests that have confounded the president.


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Instead, Trump often launches into a monologue placing himself at the center of the nation’s turmoil. The president has cast himself in the starring role of the blameless victim — of a deadly pandemic, of a stalled economy, of deep-seated racial unrest, all of which happened to him rather than the country.


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“I don’t think he has many sympathetic ears to his claims that he’s been mistreated,” Psaki said. “Leadership, as we’ve seen at many moments in history, is about not only accepting adulation when you do something great but also accepting responsibility. That lack of accepting responsibility is seen as a lack of leadership and that doesn’t sit well with people who might be more open to supporting him again.”


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Trump simply keeps on repeating, “I had this great economy and they made me shut it down.”


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He has been spending an inordinate amount of time watching television news and has been scrambling for ways to fire up his base and keep his loyalists supportive, with little in the way of a set daily schedule.

“Every guy that talks to him, the first half of the conversation is, ‘Woe is me,’ ” said one of the outside operatives, speaking anonymously to share private details. “They’re all saying, ‘You’ve got to snap out of it. You’re the president. Presidents are supposed to deal with crises.’ But he’s fixated.”


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The president’s mood had also improved as he focused on the fight over whether to rename or tear down statues named after Confederate generals and other controversial historical figures. Aides say he believes a battle over such symbols will help him politically.


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Despite his bouts of moroseness, Trump can also exhibit optimism not entirely grounded in reality. He has continued to tell advisers, for instance, that he is certain the virus will go away by October and that there will be a “cure” by then — a word he favors over “vaccine.”

Then, he adds in these tellings, the economy will rebound overnight and he will win a second term.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:03 pm    Post subject:

And Trump just commuted Roger Stone's sentence -- Stone was scheduled to go to jail next week.

Just as a reminder - Stone was caught red-handed with DM's on twitter colluding with the Russian GRU to disseminate hacked DNC emails and coordinated smears by Russian troll farm and Trump campaign.
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And Trump just commuted Roger Stone's sentence -- Stone was scheduled to go to jail next week.

Just as a reminder - Stone was caught red-handed with DM's on twitter colluding with the Russian GRU to disseminate hacked DNC emails and coordinated smears by Russian troll farm and Trump campaign.


Bill Barr said during his confirmation hearing that pardoning someone in exchange for their silence “would be a crime.” Stone said he wanted Trump to commute his sentence in exchange for Stone not telling on Trump.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:35 pm    Post subject:

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And Trump just commuted Roger Stone's sentence -- Stone was scheduled to go to jail next week.

Just as a reminder - Stone was caught red-handed with DM's on twitter colluding with the Russian GRU to disseminate hacked DNC emails and coordinated smears by Russian troll farm and Trump campaign.


Outrageous but predictable. Just waiting for him to commute himself.
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Pardoning your criminal co-conspirator used to be a scandal.

NYT: Trump Commutes Sentence of Roger Stone in Case He Long Denounced

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President Trump commuted the sentence of his longtime friend Roger J. Stone Jr. on seven felony crimes on Friday, using the power of his office to help a former campaign adviser days before Mr. Stone was to report to a federal prison to serve a 40-month term.

In a lengthy statement released late on a Friday evening, the White House denounced the prosecution against Mr. Stone on what it called “process based charges” stemming from “the Russia Hoax” investigation. “Roger Stone has already suffered greatly,” the statement said. “He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case. Roger Stone is now a free man!”

Punctuated by the same sort of inflammatory language and angry grievances characteristic of the president’s Twitter feed, the official statement assailed “overzealous prosecutors” working for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, and the “witch hunts” aimed at the president and his associates. It attacked the “activist juror” who led the panel that convicted Mr. Stone and went on to complain about the show of force used by federal law enforcement agents when he was arrested.

“These charges were the product of recklessness borne of frustration and malice,” the statement said. “This is why the out-of-control Mueller prosecutors, desperate for splashy headlines to compensate for a failed investigation, set their sights on Mr. Stone.”

The statement did not argue that Mr. Stone was innocent, only that he should not have been pursued. “The simple fact is that if the special counsel had not been pursuing an absolutely baseless investigation, Mr. Stone would not be facing time in prison,” it said.

Mr. Stone, 67, a longtime Republican operative, was convicted of obstructing a congressional investigation into Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign and has been openly lobbying for clemency, maintaining that he could die in prison and emphasizing that he had stayed loyal to the president rather than help investigators.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:42 pm    Post subject:

People need to care about this.

This is next level conduct.
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